Win xp oem activation hits me clear as mud!

Again the question was if the board dies do I have to get another copy this
is what an OEM would have to adhere to which is also then what the customer
by accepting the OEM copy would adhere to
"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Keith AH wrote:
This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by
that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user
by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software
as installed on that particular PC. The System Builder is required to
support the software on that individual PC. Understanding that end
users, over time, upgrade their PC with different components,
Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that
would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains
the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard
is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
created. The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected
to support this new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.


Where did you get that, as it sounds like the System Builder License, NOT
the END USERS LICENSE AGREEMENT!

What is the difference?

The End User, like the OP, NEVER agreed to be held to the terms of the
SYSTEM BUILDERS LICENSE!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

The wording in the post by Keith AH is not something you agreed to. Although
you are "your own OEM," you are not formally an OEM in the eyes of MS. That
is why it is clear as mud. You, by definition, "slip between the cracks."


"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
You paid less for an OEM version and as a consequence you do not
receive the benefits of a Retail Version. OEM versions of Windows
XP are non-transferrable and if your motherboard dies, so does your
OEM license. Microsoft does not sell OEM versions to end-users,
only Retail Versions.

Horsepucky. It's the same computer. A motherboard does not a computer make.
Do you for some reason get pleasure out of misinforming people so they
think, incorrectly, that they should pay for the same thing again? Are you
rich?

Alias

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"David Sewell" wrote:

| I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of
retail
| edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
| my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
| dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming
I
| am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
| keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
| accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
| moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
| cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to
motherboard
| heaven?
|
| Thanks,
| David

Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as I
see it.


"Keith AH" wrote in message
...
Again the question was if the board dies do I have to get another copy
this
is what an OEM would have to adhere to which is also then what the
customer
by accepting the OEM copy would adhere to
"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Keith AH wrote:
This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by
that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user
by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software
as installed on that particular PC. The System Builder is required to
support the software on that individual PC. Understanding that end
users, over time, upgrade their PC with different components,
Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that
would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains
the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard
is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
created. The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected
to support this new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.


Where did you get that, as it sounds like the System Builder License,
NOT
the END USERS LICENSE AGREEMENT!

What is the difference?

The End User, like the OP, NEVER agreed to be held to the terms of the
SYSTEM BUILDERS LICENSE!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

No
That is why if the board fails you may replace it
"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as I
see it.


"Keith AH" wrote in message
...
Again the question was if the board dies do I have to get another copy
this
is what an OEM would have to adhere to which is also then what the
customer
by accepting the OEM copy would adhere to
"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Keith AH wrote:
This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by
that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user
by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software
as installed on that particular PC. The System Builder is required to
support the software on that individual PC. Understanding that end
users, over time, upgrade their PC with different components,
Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that
would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains
the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard
is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
created. The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected
to support this new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.


Where did you get that, as it sounds like the System Builder License,
NOT
the END USERS LICENSE AGREEMENT!

What is the difference?

The End User, like the OP, NEVER agreed to be held to the terms of the
SYSTEM BUILDERS LICENSE!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

"David Sewell" wrote

Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should fail?
We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as I
see it.

Replace your motherboard. Install XP. Activate it online if it's been more
than 120 days since the last activation. If you have to call, read this
first:

http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

Alias


"Keith AH" wrote in message
...
Again the question was if the board dies do I have to get another copy
this
is what an OEM would have to adhere to which is also then what the
customer
by accepting the OEM copy would adhere to
"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Keith AH wrote:
This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.
An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is
defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
The reason for this licensing rule primarily relates to the end-user
license agreement (EULA) and the support of the software covered by
that EULA. The EULA is a set of usage rights granted to the end-user
by the PC manufacturer and relates only to rights for that software
as installed on that particular PC. The System Builder is required to
support the software on that individual PC. Understanding that end
users, over time, upgrade their PC with different components,
Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that
would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains
the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard
is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially
created. The original System Builder, therefore, can not be expected
to support this new PC that they in effect, did not manufacture.


Where did you get that, as it sounds like the System Builder License,
NOT
the END USERS LICENSE AGREEMENT!

What is the difference?

The End User, like the OP, NEVER agreed to be held to the terms of the
SYSTEM BUILDERS LICENSE!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

If you are referring to the MVP's (who are not MS staff), yes, the ones with
brains realize that this is a very ambiguous, confusing topic.
If you are referring to MS Support staff, they are trained not to think
about it at all!

"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I have a theory that the microsoft help staff are as punch drunk as the
rest
of us.


"

No, but correct and honest with my answer!

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx

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"Alias" wrote:

|
| Horsepucky. It's the same computer. A motherboard does not a computer make.
| Do you for some reason get pleasure out of misinforming people so they
| think, incorrectly, that they should pay for the same thing again? Are you
| rich?
|
| Alias



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Keith AH wrote:

This is copied direct from the OEM license

Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your
customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the
original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception of an
upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.

snip

But that is not what the End User has access to, nor do I if I go to
Wal-Mart or Staples and buy a copy of of WinXP Pro OEM release.

This is from the EULA for OEM XP Pro:

Microsoft Windows XP Professional,
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Tablet PC Edition and
Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP Media Center Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE").

And he

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER."

Nowhere in that EULA is the word "motherboard". "the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates" could mean every and
anything.

End users are not prohibited by the EULA from changing any and
everything in the computer system. Most new PCs I see have the COA
affixed to the case. Theoretically I could gut the whole damn thing and
rebuild it inside with anything/everything else different. As long as
that COA and case stay together there is no EULA violation that I can
see. Why heck, it would sure look like the same computer, too.

Steve

No. Just replace the motherboard with an identical motherboard!

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Windows XP - Shell/User
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Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...xp/choose.mspx

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"David Sewell" wrote:

| Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp should
| give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard should fail?
| We could go on like this forever, and this is where the problem lies as I
| see it.



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No one forced you to buy O.E.M..

You are just mad because YOU didn't do your homework!

BTW, I supply a retail version of Windows XP with every computer I build for
my customers. I would never place them in a predicament!

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aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
No, but correct and honest with my answer!

http://microscum.com/carey/

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

"Richard Urban" wrote

No one forced you to buy O.E.M..

So what? I have three computers, each with an OEM on them. Plan to upgrade
the motherboard, CPU, RAM and video card on one of them and expect no
problems or predicaments at all!


You are just mad because YOU didn't do your homework!

He has nothing to be mad about. He can reinstall it on a new motherboard.

BTW, I supply a retail version of Windows XP with every computer I build
for my customers. I would never place them in a predicament!

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

What predicament?

Alias

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"David Sewell" wrote in message
...
I purchased a win xp home oem disk, at only just pennies short of retail
edition price, from the supplier that supplied me with items I used to
build
my own system. I already have win 95 and win 98 upgrade purchases from
now
dead previous pc's. So, if my motherboard fails, am I right in assuming
I
am supposed to buy a new motherboard and another copy of win xp, thereby
keeping up Bill (love him to bits) Gates to the life style he has become
accustomed, just so that I can carry on using a single system that ain't
moved anywhere and is only used by the single self same person, whose
fault
cannot be blamed if the motherboard decides it wants to go to motherboard
heaven?

Thanks,
David

David Sewell wrote:
Does this mean that the person that sold me a copy of oem win xp
should give me another copy of win xp if there supplied motherboard
should fail? We could go on like this forever, and this is where the
problem lies as I see it.


My last answer in this thread.

Don't worry, be happy!

Even if MS thinks you need to buy another copy of XP if you replace your
motherboard (and even MS employees don't agree with that
interpretation,) they will never know you changed your motherboard,
unless YOU tell them. With activation, MS cannot tell what hardware has
actually changed.

Short answer, DON'T TELL THEM.

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

David Sewell wrote:

I read it all. Hence my subject heading "Win xp oem activation hits me
clear as mud!"

Sorry, have you heard of the plain english society? Maybe there should (if
it does not already exist) be an American version....
Sorry guys........



Plain english society? Is there such a thing? Sounds cool. I'm gonna
look it up...

Is this what you mean?

http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/introduction.html

Steve