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  #151  
Old February 13th 19, 07:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:21:53 +0000, Chris wrote:

In the UK, if you hit a pedestrian wiht your car you will be
charged with either "Dangerous driving" or "Driving without due
care and attention" and you have to make the case that it was
unavoidable.


Yes we have very much a blame culture in the UK, there's no such
thing as an 'accident'.


It's called protecting the vulnerable. A pedestrian is far more vulnerable
than a driver in a car.

I don't see any mention of vehicle emergency braking systems on here
but they are available in many new cars.


They're rare. Vast majority of cars on the road don't have them.
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  #152  
Old February 13th 19, 07:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-02-13 05:42, mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:21:53 +0000, Chris wrote:

In the UK, if you hit a pedestrian wiht your car you will be
charged with either "Dangerous driving" or "Driving without due
care and attention" and you have to make the case that it was
unavoidable.


Yes we have very much a blame culture in the UK, there's no such
thing as an 'accident'.

I don't see any mention of vehicle emergency braking systems on here
but they are available in many new cars.


Yes, I call that "creeping autonomy". Such driver-assist tech is IMO a
good idea.


Except when you start relying on it and it doesn't work. See the poor woman
in pheonix.

  #153  
Old February 13th 19, 08:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 2/12/19 1:34 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote:
I think that's what happened when I had a dual boot (Win and Linux on
the same disk). Some Windows program messed up the bootloader.


I remember something (uhh, WOW? ... maybe?) deleting boot.ini.


A dual-boot (Win/Lin) system boots first to the Linux bootloader which
then loads the Windows bootloader. A Windows file shouldn't prevent
booting Linux.


No, I mean like "World of Warcraft" deleted the Windows boot.ini file by
mistake in one of the patches. Although I may well be misremembering
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  #154  
Old February 13th 19, 08:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Chris
wrote:

In the UK, if you hit a pedestrian wiht your car you will be
charged with either "Dangerous driving" or "Driving without due
care and attention" and you have to make the case that it was
unavoidable.


Yes we have very much a blame culture in the UK, there's no such
thing as an 'accident'.


It's called protecting the vulnerable. A pedestrian is far more vulnerable
than a driver in a car.


exactly.
  #155  
Old February 13th 19, 08:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Chris
wrote:


Yes, I call that "creeping autonomy". Such driver-assist tech is IMO a
good idea.


Except when you start relying on it and it doesn't work. See the poor woman
in pheonix.


that was human error, not a failure of an autonomous system.

the uber operator was not paying attention and didn't notice anything
wrong until it was too late.

the vehicle's anti-collision system *did* detect the pedestrian, except
that it had been disabled because uber was testing their own system,
which considered it to be a false positive.

the person in the vehicle was supposed to be monitoring what was going
on so that the system could learn, except she was watching tv instead.

had she been paying attention, there would not have been a crash.

also, the person who was hit stepped in front of a moving vehicle,
assuming it would stop, and in an area where visibility was limited.
that's not a good strategy.

autonomous vehicles do not need to be perfect. nothing can be.

they only need to be better than humans, which sadly, is not that hard
to do.

more than 1 million people die every year due to motor vehicle crashes,
with ~50 million more injured. that's 2 people killed every *minute*.

https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/

nearly all of those could be avoided.
  #156  
Old February 13th 19, 09:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message news

On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
In a new blog post entitled “Helping customers shift to a modern desktop”,
Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7
customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep
their computers safe.


This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS.


The ESU offer has more limitation/constraints.
Note: the Volume Licensing and the discount applicable for Volume Licensing
subscriptions(Assurance, Enterprise and Education subscriptions)
qp
"With that in mind, today we are announcing that we will offer paid Windows
7 Extended Security Updates (ESU) through January 2023. The Windows 7 ESU
will be sold on a per-device basis and the price will increase each year.
Windows 7 ESUs will be available to all Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7
Enterprise customers ***in Volume Licensing***, with a discount to customers
with Windows software assurance, Windows 10 Enterprise or Windows 10
Education subscriptions. In addition, Office 365 ProPlus will be supported
on devices with active Windows 7 Extended Security Updates (ESU) through
January 2023. This means that customers who purchase the Windows 7 ESU will
be able to continue to run Office 365 ProPlus."
/qp

....i.e. only **Volume Licensing** customers, and if purchased also supports
Office 365 Plus on Windows 7 until Jan. 2023

- Non-volume licensing end-users(i.e. retail and OEM Windows 7 edition
consumers not paying/using/contracted for Volume Licensing) are not included
in the 'option to purchase ESU'. Support for non-volume licensing edition
security updates will cease, as previously announced/planned in Jan. 2020

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  #157  
Old February 13th 19, 10:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:


First line of defence is winter tires. Recent tests by the Ontario Dept
of Highways confirmed earlier results: braking deteriorates from around
+5C (about 40F) on down. By the time the roads are icy, summer and "all
season" and "all weather" tires are hockey pucks. Some people like
studs, but they wear into round nubbins a little too quickly for my taste.


winter tires may help, but the first line of defense is knowing how to
drive in slippery conditions (which also helps in dry conditions, just
not as often).

even the grippiest winter tires won't help when the vehicle loses
traction.
  #158  
Old February 14th 19, 12:45 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:35:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:
On 2/12/19 7:02 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

[snip]

Person A: "It was sunny yesterday!"
nospam: "not last night, it wasn't!"



Bang on, Char.

Dammit!
I at first wrote that but then thought it was unnecessarily
provocative and deleted it.
(-:


I have deleted a post, but not before someone replied so my words
weren't really deleted.

Even if they hadn't, I doubt you have "deleted your post": unless the
server you are using honours delete requests _and_ processed it before
communicating with its peers, there is little you can do to delete a
post.


I deleted it before I posted.
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  #159  
Old February 14th 19, 12:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:01:42 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

ask yourself why cops are enforcing something you say doesn't exist:

http://richmondsfblog.com/2010/07/20...-or-it-could-c
ost-you-police-planning-stings/
SFAppeal reports that the SFPD will be kicking off targeted
pedestrian stings in and around the area of Golden Gate Park,
specifically the district patrolled by the Park Police.
...
The law states that if a pedestrian is waiting to cross at a
crosswalk, vehicles must yield. Drivers must yield even if the
pedestrian is in an unmarked crosswalk intersection. If the
pedestrian is in an unmarked crosswalk, they must look before
stepping off the curb but if it is a marked crosswalk they are free
to step into the intersection. Vehicles must yield in both situations.

But we should be discussing cross walks with signals. Your quote
doesn't cover that situation

yes it does.


Let me know when you argue that succesfully before a judge.


learn to read.

The law states that if a pedestrian is waiting to cross at a
crosswalk, vehicles must yield.


that refers to *any* crosswalk, with or without traffic control signals.


No it doesn't.
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  #160  
Old February 14th 19, 01:13 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 14:16:38 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:46:17 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article ,
123456789 wrote:

Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way against a red light at a
traffic light controlled intersection!!! Where in hell did you
get that
idea.

the motor vehicle code.

Not in my state (AZ/US):

(d) Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as
provided in section 28-646, a pedestrian facing a steady red signal
alone shall not enter the roadway.


yes in your state:
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/28/00792.htm
28-792. Right-of-way at crosswalk
A. Except as provided in section 28-793, subsection B, if traffic
control signals are not in place or are not in operation, the driver
of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way, slowing down or stopping
if need be in order to yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway
within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is on the half of the roadway
on which the vehicle is traveling or when the pedestrian is
approaching so closely from the opposite half of the roadway as to
be in danger. A pedestrian shall not suddenly leave any curb or other
place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle that is so
close that it is impossible for the driver to yield.


"if traffic control signals are not in place or are not in operation".

See?

He is already determinedly trying to change the context of the
argument.


It's weird. nospam makes an argument and even provides multiple URLs
that he claims will support his argument. The weird thing is that none
of the URLs actually support his argument, so I think we're in for a
round of posts that redefine the initial claim so that the URLs can fit
the situation. AKA 'moving the goalposts'. I quickly lose interest,
which is what he hopes to achieve in the first place.

  #161  
Old February 14th 19, 01:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Wolf K wrote:

Please, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

Thank you.

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  #162  
Old February 14th 19, 01:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:45:42 +1300, Eric Stevens
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:35:22 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:
On 2/12/19 7:02 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:

[snip]

Person A: "It was sunny yesterday!"
nospam: "not last night, it wasn't!"



Bang on, Char.

Dammit!
I at first wrote that but then thought it was unnecessarily
provocative and deleted it.
(-:

I have deleted a post, but not before someone replied so my words
weren't really deleted.

Even if they hadn't, I doubt you have "deleted your post": unless the
server you are using honours delete requests _and_ processed it before
communicating with its peers, there is little you can do to delete a
post.


I deleted it before I posted.



OK, but in that case, don't say "I have deleted a post." That only
confuses people. If you didn't post it, it wasn't a post.
  #163  
Old February 14th 19, 03:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

Pedestrians do NOT have the right of way against a red light at a
traffic light controlled intersection!!! Where in hell did you
get that
idea.

the motor vehicle code.

Not in my state (AZ/US):

(d) Unless otherwise directed by a pedestrian control signal as
provided in section 28-646, a pedestrian facing a steady red signal
alone shall not enter the roadway.

yes in your state:
https://www.azleg.gov/ars/28/00792.htm
28-792. Right-of-way at crosswalk
A. Except as provided in section 28-793, subsection B, if traffic
control signals are not in place or are not in operation, the driver
of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way, slowing down or stopping
if need be in order to yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway
within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is on the half of the roadway
on which the vehicle is traveling or when the pedestrian is
approaching so closely from the opposite half of the roadway as to
be in danger. A pedestrian shall not suddenly leave any curb or other
place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle that is so
close that it is impossible for the driver to yield.


"if traffic control signals are not in place or are not in operation".

See?

He is already determinedly trying to change the context of the
argument.


It's weird. nospam makes an argument and even provides multiple URLs
that he claims will support his argument. The weird thing is that none
of the URLs actually support his argument,


they do support it.
  #164  
Old February 14th 19, 03:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

ask yourself why cops are enforcing something you say doesn't exist:


http://richmondsfblog.com/2010/07/20...s-or-it-could-
c
ost-you-police-planning-stings/
SFAppeal reports that the SFPD will be kicking off targeted
pedestrian stings in and around the area of Golden Gate Park,
specifically the district patrolled by the Park Police.
...
The law states that if a pedestrian is waiting to cross at a
crosswalk, vehicles must yield. Drivers must yield even if the
pedestrian is in an unmarked crosswalk intersection. If the
pedestrian is in an unmarked crosswalk, they must look before
stepping off the curb but if it is a marked crosswalk they are free
to step into the intersection. Vehicles must yield in both
situations.

But we should be discussing cross walks with signals. Your quote
doesn't cover that situation

yes it does.

Let me know when you argue that succesfully before a judge.


learn to read.

The law states that if a pedestrian is waiting to cross at a
crosswalk, vehicles must yield.


that refers to *any* crosswalk, with or without traffic control signals.


No it doesn't.


it does, and why the cops set up stings, usually at such intersections.
  #165  
Old February 14th 19, 05:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 22:19:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP,
because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect
here for a landline.


Where is "here", Paul? Non-US, I'm guessing?

I've been using Consumer Cellular for a few years now, and I'm
generally satisfied. It's $20 a month ($24 and change with all the
fees and taxes) for unlimited talk, and $5 more gets you unlimited
texts and 256 MG of data.

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