Send them the bugs

I'm practicing to become a MVP then you tell to Microsoft the system bugs. I
realize this group needs helpers with experience to work with Windows 10.

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This is the end.

On 15 Nov 2014, "Joel" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

This is the end.

I hope so.

"Nil" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 15 Nov 2014, "Joel" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

This is the end.

I hope so.

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Nil, it's a signature like a cool sentence. You don't have to reply.

Friends wrote:
quoting corrected that Friends didn't bother to do himself

"Nil" ...

"Joel" wrote:

This is the end.

I hope so.

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that means EVERYTHING Friends said AFTER the signature delimiter

And you (Friends) don't know to position your reply content above the
sigdash delimiter line. The newsreader you chose to use (WLM since
version 14) requires *YOU* to do the proper prefix INDENTing of quoted
content and to properly position the reply ABOVE the sigdash line.

In fact, you didn't use a valid signature delimiter line (but some NNTP
clients handle the sloppy syntax to trim out signatures in a reply as
this was how Outlook Express inserted an invalid sig delimiter). The
correct delimiter line is dash-dash-SPACE-newline. Your invalid
delimiter line is only dash-dash-newline.

You are replying below an invalid sigdash line.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 18:43:26 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Friends wrote:
quoting corrected that Friends didn't bother to do himself

"Nil" ...

"Joel" wrote:

This is the end.

I hope so.

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bogus sig delimiter
signature deleted
that means EVERYTHING Friends said AFTER the signature delimiter

And you (Friends) don't know to position your reply content above the
sigdash delimiter line. The newsreader you chose to use (WLM since
version 14) requires *YOU* to do the proper prefix INDENTing of quoted
content and to properly position the reply ABOVE the sigdash line.

In fact, you didn't use a valid signature delimiter line (but some NNTP
clients handle the sloppy syntax to trim out signatures in a reply as
this was how Outlook Express inserted an invalid sig delimiter). The
correct delimiter line is dash-dash-SPACE-newline. Your invalid
delimiter line is only dash-dash-newline.

You are replying below an invalid sigdash line.

That might be considered as doing us a favor.

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 15/11/2014 in message Nil
wrote:

On 15 Nov 2014, "Joel" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

This is the end.

I hope so.

:-)

Brilliant.

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Jeff Gaines Wiltshire UK
Indecision is the key to flexibility

Joel wrote:

I'm practicing to become a MVP then you tell to Microsoft the system bugs. I
realize this group needs helpers with experience to work with Windows 10.

Chatting and creating noise do not count towards an MVP nomination. The
number of your posts alone will never qualify you as an MVP (and you are
years away from accumulating enough *helpful* posts). The quality of
your posts has more weighting than how many but how many shows
consistent participation (and not all in short spurts but over time).
To be honest, the quality (content) of the majority of your posts, so
far, won't be considered towards a nomination. Spewing out tons of
blathering posts is not how you obtain the MVP award.

Read the MVP rules to obtain nomination. You have been on the wrong
path. Note that trying to nominate yourself will be reviewed by other
existing MVPs. If it is clear that you in now way deserve the award,
you be discarded in future self nominations or nominations others. They
remember.

If you want an example of someone trying to get the MVP award who got
blacklisted by his activities, lying that he's an MVP, the content of
his posts (what are so often invalid or misleading as to appear
deliberately that way), who pirates software to put on his web site that
he claims is his, and attempts to garner the award by trying to create a
domain registration with "MVP" in it (that got blocked and will remain
so) to further lie to others, look up "PC Butts" who also nymshifts
(pcbutts, pcbutts1, chris butts, [The] Real Truth, etc).

Note that if you do get the MVP award, it can be withdrawn. If you're
more bad than good, you lose the badge. You are expected to be helpful,
honest, and professional. That also means you must be more reserved in
the content of your posts. You are expected to be a professional. I
forget now how many thousands of posts that I had when I got asked if I
wanted to get nominated but politely refused since that would cramp my
style. I'd rather be me than present a persona of a pro-Microsoft rep
that should throttle his behavior in Usenet. After all, everyone knows
you are NOT an employee of Microsoft with the MVP award and, in my view,
is a pretty much an over-rated award.

No one must be an MVP to report bugs to Microsoft; however, they expect
better structure and more coherent content. If English is not your
native language, you should note that in your MVP profile, plus you
should post in your native language (and optionally include an English
translation). You also have to be over 18 to get the award. You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both). Once you get the
award, you have to remain professional. Nymshifting is likely to get
you labelled as a troll. You might want to have alter egos: one for a
personal persona that you can use to help or abuse and then an MVP
persona to gain the award and look professional is not acceptable.
Eventually a nymshifter or someone using sock puppets gets exposed after
which their MVP award is ignored and they're considered a liar.

You might also consider posting with something a lot more identifiable
than a single first name. Pick a name that is unique to you, something
that others will recognize as you instead of every other Joel on the
planet. By the way, are you really claiming you are USA News, the real
registrant of the news.net domain you specify in the domain (right
token) portion of your e-mail address in your From header, so you have
permission to use that domain when posting here? You have an e-mail
account at USA News?

VanguardLH wrote:
You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both).


'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time


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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"...winston‫" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both).


'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time

So those MVPs that review a nomination are no longer visiting Usenet?

VanguardLH wrote:
"...winston‫" wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
You have
to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet (and, I believe,
in their web-based forums but not necessarily both).


'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time

So those MVPs that review a nomination are no longer visiting Usenet?


Nomination review is MSFT role, not MVP's. Usenet contribution counts nil.

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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

winston wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

winston wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

You have to establish a long history of helping others in Usenet
(and, I believe, in their web-based forums but not necessarily
both).

'Not necessarily both' is correct
- since Usenet counts zippo and hasn't for some time

So those MVPs that review a nomination are no longer visiting Usenet?

Nomination review is MSFT role, not MVP's. Usenet contribution counts nil.

Too bad. When Microsoft raced away from Usenet, a communications venue
they could not control, they really abandoned everyone there.

"Some of the criteria we evaluate include the impact of a nominee¢s
contributions to online forums such as Microsoft Answers, TechNet and
MSDN; wikis and online content; conferences and user groups; podcasts,
Web sites and blogs; and articles and books."

Yep, Usenet (newsgroups) participation doesn't count anymore.

"Of the more than 100 million social and technical community members
worldwide, each year only about 3,800 are recognized as MVPs."
"Each nominee's contributions are compared to other candidates'
contributions for the same year."

Joel has a long road ahead but after amending his, um, style.

"Active MVPs receive the same level of scrutiny as new candidates each
year."

So, like retro-active abortion, Joel must be mindful of his behavior and
content. Oops, forgot, Usenet doesn't count anymore. Poor Joel.

I thought the award could be rescinded but instead it may not get
renewed after the award year.

"Potential MVPs are nominated by other technical community members,
current and former MVPs, and Microsoft personnel who have noted their
community leadership."

Yet I saw a web form at Microsoft's MVP site for self-nomination at
https://mvp.microsoft.com/private/no...n/nominateself. What's with
that? I suppose a self-nominated candidate still gets scrutinized as
does any candidate nominated by someone else but it smacks of a tot
yanking on his mother's skirt trying to get attention. Look at me, me
me me, I'm here, lookie, me me, me again.