StartupMonitor and Startup Control Panel

Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

and StartupMonitor
http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml

Will work with Win8?

I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be
abandoned.
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Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

and StartupMonitor
http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml

Will work with Win8?

I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be
abandoned.

Startup CPL works fine with Win8 Pro 64-bit. I haven't used Startup Monitor.
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CRNG wrote:
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

and StartupMonitor
http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml

Will work with Win8?

I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be
abandoned.

You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using
that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there
will be no issues later when cleaning up.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download

Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F

Language Link to download SHA-1 hash value

English 64-bit (x64) Download (3.8 GB) 0xD8076E029292FBC933792D215793045031255FF6
English 32-bit (x86) Download (2.8 GB) 0x447CCD24EB3DC6CFD9A42E62A5F6418B578E3CBF

Key believed to be good until Jan.15.

They're pretty large downloads, and not suitable for dialup.

So really, the only expense, is the temporary hard drive to
hold it. The reason I don't "multi-boot" that stuff, all
from the one hard drive, is avoiding any cleanup issues later.
For example, I wouldn't install that over my working copy
of 8.0.

The downloaded images can be installed onto a USB flash key.
So you don't even need to tie up a DVD with it.

http://web.archive.org/web/201301061...usbdvd_dwnTool

(2,721,168 byte tool for transferring ISO to a USB key)
http://web.archive.org/web/201301061...B-DVD-tool.exe

There are tricks to using that tool. It extracts a copy
of bootsect.exe from the DVD, which is a rather dumb way
to do things. They should have boiled a copy of bootsect
right into the .exe. If you're creating a 64 bit USB installer
key, and the machine is 32 bit, then a 64 bit version of
bootsect.exe is extracted from the DVD and that won't work.
Which is why the tool isn't exactly friendly. But once
you get used to the quirks (tool stops before final step
completed), it can be used to put preview installers onto
USB sticks. No DVD required (unless you want it for
recovery console later).

Paul

CRNG wrote:
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

and StartupMonitor
http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml

Will work with Win8?

I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be
abandoned.

Fyi...
In Windows 8 - Startup items are managed via Task Manager


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On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:02:43 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control
Panel:

CRNG wrote:
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

and StartupMonitor
http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml

Will work with Win8?

I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be
abandoned.

You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using
that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there
will be no issues later when cleaning up.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download

Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F

Thanks for the suggestions Paul (and others who replied), but
unfortunately I am limited by dialup. However, I will keep your post
for reference if I can find a way to download and burn to a dvd.
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CRNG wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:02:43 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control
Panel:

CRNG wrote:
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

and StartupMonitor
http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml

Will work with Win8?

I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be
abandoned.
You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using
that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there
will be no issues later when cleaning up.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download

Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F

Thanks for the suggestions Paul (and others who replied), but
unfortunately I am limited by dialup. However, I will keep your post
for reference if I can find a way to download and burn to a dvd.

Public library. Sessions are available for one hour.
Find out what kind of connection speed they have.
Tell the librarian what your plan is, so he or she
can advise.

I think my library machine had a USB port on it.
The machine setup is pretty restrictive, so it's
not like an extension of your own machine. Still,
when your ISP fouls up, it's an alternative.

My library has about 30 machines in one room, and the
room is fully booked.

I used the public library machine, to fill out a form
to apply for Freenet dialup service :-) I couldn't
go to the Freenet offices directly - they made me
drive to the library and use a library machine to
fill out a form. I've also used a public library
machine, to print out hardware rebate forms,
back when I was too cheap to buy an inkjet.
The library has a reasonable, cost recovery price
per page, for printing.

*******

Another possibility (slim one), is the library already
has some of these files stored or cached locally. A USB
key is all you need, formatted NTFS for large file
handling. I don't know if I'd trust the optical drives
on a library machine, as they've been through hell and
back. Your own USB key, is faster.

Paul

Paul wrote:
CRNG wrote:
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:02:43 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control
Panel:

CRNG wrote:
Does anyone here know if Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel
http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml

and StartupMonitor
http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml

Will work with Win8?

I don't have Win8 to test on, and both of the above items seem to be
abandoned.
You can test the Windows 8.1 Preview. I've been using
that lately for testing. I use a separate disk, so there
will be no issues later when cleaning up.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eview-download

Product Key: NTTX3-RV7VB-T7X7F-WQYYY-9Y92F

Thanks for the suggestions Paul (and others who replied), but
unfortunately I am limited by dialup. However, I will keep your post
for reference if I can find a way to download and burn to a dvd.

Public library. Sessions are available for one hour.
Find out what kind of connection speed they have.
Tell the librarian what your plan is, so he or she
can advise.

I think my library machine had a USB port on it.
The machine setup is pretty restrictive, so it's
not like an extension of your own machine. Still,
when your ISP fouls up, it's an alternative.

My library has about 30 machines in one room, and the
room is fully booked.

I used the public library machine, to fill out a form
to apply for Freenet dialup service :-) I couldn't
go to the Freenet offices directly - they made me
drive to the library and use a library machine to
fill out a form. I've also used a public library
machine, to print out hardware rebate forms,
back when I was too cheap to buy an inkjet.
The library has a reasonable, cost recovery price
per page, for printing.

*******

Another possibility (slim one), is the library already
has some of these files stored or cached locally. A USB
key is all you need, formatted NTFS for large file
handling. I don't know if I'd trust the optical drives
on a library machine, as they've been through hell and
back. Your own USB key, is faster.

Paul

I once downloaded some heavy stuff in a library and uploaded it to my
web space. On other occasions I've emailed things to myself.

Ed

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:56:20 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control
Panel:

Public library.

That's a good idea and it might be possible. I'll have to check with
my library. They are very paranoid about people putting anything
(blank DVD, USB stick) into their computers.

Let's assume that I do manage to d/l the .iso image and burn it to a
DVD. How would I install it onto a secondary hard drive (Drive-1, not
Drive-0). So that it does not replace or interfere in any way with my
WinXP?

Are there any instructions out there that describe how to do that?

Thanks.
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CRNG wrote:
On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 09:56:20 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re StartupMonitor and Startup Control
Panel:

Public library.

That's a good idea and it might be possible. I'll have to check with
my library. They are very paranoid about people putting anything
(blank DVD, USB stick) into their computers.

Let's assume that I do manage to d/l the .iso image and burn it to a
DVD. How would I install it onto a secondary hard drive (Drive-1, not
Drive-0). So that it does not replace or interfere in any way with my
WinXP?

Are there any instructions out there that describe how to do that?

Thanks.

Is this two drives on IDE ?

Or a couple SATA drives ? SATA drives are
normally directly connected, without needing
a master/slave type jumper. SATA has the advantage
of not needing a lot of "jumper roulette".

With IDE, you need to verify the jumper settings.
On pre-built computers, they might use cable select
for both drives (and an 80 wire cable). A home brewer
might be using Master jumper on one and Slave jumper
on the other, in a dual drive config.

To run a single drive, switch the drive to Master
(or Cable Select) and connect the drive to the
end connector on the IDE cable. That's how you run
a single drive, until the install is finished. In
terms of fill order, you fill the end connector
of IDE, first. The middle connector is only used, if
a drive is already connected to the end spot.

I generally install with *only* the target
hard drive connected, for safety reasons. It
avoids having to "say you're sorry" later. Like
if you're helping a family member, and you wipe
out their setup :-)

Once the OS is installed on the second drive,
I use F8 BIOS popup boot menu, to select
which drive I want to boot from. Different
computers will use a different key for this function
(F8/F11/F12). While you can permanently set the
boot order in the BIOS setup, that's too much work.
F8 does what I need.

If your computer is so old, it doesn't have popup boot
at the BIOS level, it's also so old that a modern OS
would be a waste of time. I only have two computers
here now, that can run Windows 8, and one of them needs
a new video card before it can be a candidate.

*******

Setting up a USB key, is a pain the first few times.
A benefit, is a slightly faster install. But the
DVD is also an attractive option, as usually
you can manage to get that right the first time.
I have a stack of Linux distros here, so I got
plenty of practice doing it that way.

Personally, I would prefer to burn the ISO
at home, because my burner is faster than
the library one, and my combo of media and
burner is a known quantity (already dialed in
and burns are known good). I wouldn't want
to "practice" at the library, with a stack of
blanks until I get it right. YMMV.

It all depends on how "hobbled" the library
machines are. The software they run, is a tiny
bit restrictive. I can't remember if they
had epoxy poured in the USB connectors or not.
When I was printing off my rebate forms, I took
a CD with me, knowing the box prominently featured
an optical drive. So that was "lowest risk of me
having to drive home again".

I don't go to the library all that often.
Each time I go, I have to fill out another
card, because the previous one expired. And
on our system, you need a card before you
can use a computer. It's a bureaucrats idea
of heaven. To their credit though, they keep
their pool of computers filled, so none of
them go to waste. The librarian has no time to
do a "librarian's job". The place has become
like a "computer help desk". Virtually every
question involves a computer.

Paul

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 17:33:14 -0400, Paul wrote in
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Panel:

Is this two drives on IDE ?

These are two IDE drive; but the install procedure question is now
moot. A friend of mine who lives in the city (I'm in a very rural
area) was kind enough to downloaded the 8.1 preview and burned it to a
DVD for me. When I tried to run it on my WinXPpro desktop (by double
clicking on setup.exe) I got the following two errors:

1) The procedure entry point _CxxFrameHandler3 could not be located in
the dynamic link library msvcrt.dll.

2) The file autorun.dll could not be loaded or is corrupt. Setup
cannot continue. Error code is [0x7F]

The same occured on different machine wint WinXPpro, so I think I skip
the preview test.

My motivation for the original question StartupMonitor and Startup
Control Panel was just curiosity. I have no plans to upgrade past
WinXPpro and was just wondering what I would encounter when I
eventually need a new computer. Hopefully that won't be for a while;
and if I'm lucky it won't be until at least Win9.x.

Thanks for your help.
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