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Not in Google Groups
I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to
https://groups.google.com/forum/ and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8 and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it. Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem to carry this group. Thanks. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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Not in Google Groups
On 06-Sep-2013 15:52, CRNG wrote:
I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to https://groups.google.com/forum/ and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8 and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it. Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem to carry this group. Thanks. Try this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!search/$20alt.comp.os.windows-8|sort:date -- Leala. |
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Not in Google Groups
CRNG wrote:
I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to https://groups.google.com/forum/ and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8 and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it. Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem to carry this group. Thanks. Newsflash. Surprise! Google isn't very clever. ******* There is no mechanism, to tell them to archive new alt.* groups. As far as I know, control messages for things in alt.* would likely be ignored in any case. And you can't really communicate with Google, perish the thought. Even if you did reach a human, I can't see them getting off their lazy rumps, to fix this. Paul |
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Leala wrote:
On 06-Sep-2013 15:52, CRNG wrote: I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to https://groups.google.com/forum/ and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8 and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it. Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem to carry this group. Thanks. Try this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!search/$20alt.comp.os.windows-8|sort:date It is true, that messages cross-posted to Windows-8, will get archived. But then, the archive is far from complete. Because not every thread occurring in alt.comp.os.windows-8, is cross-posted. Messages posted only to alt.comp.os.windows-8 , should not be archived. Paul |
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Not in Google Groups
CRNG wrote:
I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to https://groups.google.com/forum/ and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8 and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it. Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem to carry this group. You're learning. Google doesn't carry binary newsgroups. Google doesn't carry all text newsgroups, either. There are web-based-only *forums* called Google Groups and there is the Usenet archive also called Google Groups. Google likes to confuse the two by jumbling them all together. Google Groups has long devolved from the Usenet archive they acquired (DejaNews). They have their own agenda, like pretending Usenet is akin to their web-for-boobs forums. Hell, just go to groups.google.com and try to find the advanced search page. It's still available at groups.google.com/advanced_search but good luck trying to find a web navigation path from their home page to there. Usenet is ancient but Google is stuck trying to compete with Yahoo! Groups circa 1998 despite starting out with the DejaNews acquisition. Google's mindset is on forums and long ago drifted away from Usenet which they apparently now consider a bane to support because content is not under their direct control as it vastly originates outside in the world-wide NNTP mesh network. Google is big. Big doesn't necessarily equate to good. Google sucks at a lot of stuff. It was 5 years in beta for Gmail and still that service doesn't provide decent server-side client-defined filters or rules (you're stuck using their crappy search syntax). Many years ago you could specify +word in a search to guarantee that word would be present in each search hit but they dropped that and now you're supposed to use "word" even for a 1-word phrase; however, that criteria stopped being honored several years ago so terms you mandate MUST appear in search results do not appear in each hit. Their web search has devolved into a "Do You Feel Lucky Today With A Hundreds-Billion Results Search". Every time you visit their Google search page they blue-bar prompt you to make them your home page, a spammed irritation that pushes a lot of users over to Bing or elsewhere. Google gets so big and then falters rather than acquire additional expertise to progress further. Google emulates the government in that both follow the Peter principle (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle): Employees rise to their level of incompetence and there they remain. Peter's Corollary states that "every post tends to be eventually get occupied by an employee who is incompetent to carry out its duties" and adds that "work is accomplished by those employees who have not yet reached their level of incompetence." Google's ineptitude, evil covert intentions, or unwilligness to properly support Usenet is killing the usefulness of their Usenet archive. They are trying to fold their Usenet archive into their other incompatible or dissimilar services. "I know engineers. They l-o-v-e to change things." (Leonard 'Bones' McCoy, "Star Trek: The Motion Picture") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTbwlqX6Rmg "The only constant is change, continuing change, inevitable change, that is the dominant factor in society today." (Issac Asimov) "Change doesn't mean better. It just means different." (me). |
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Not in Google Groups
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:09:21 -0400, Paul wrote in
Re Not in Google Groups: There is no mechanism, to tell them to archive new alt.* groups. As far as I know, control messages for things in alt.* would likely be ignored in any case. Ok, that explains why there seems to be so many "missing" groups. Is there any other way of searching the archive of the many groups not carried by Google? -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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Not in Google Groups
CRNG wrote:
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 17:09:21 -0400, Paul wrote in Re Not in Google Groups: There is no mechanism, to tell them to archive new alt.* groups. As far as I know, control messages for things in alt.* would likely be ignored in any case. Ok, that explains why there seems to be so many "missing" groups. Is there any other way of searching the archive of the many groups not carried by Google? No practical way that I know of. ******* In terms of search targets: site:vistax64.com site:sevenforums.com site:eightforums.com have tutorials and forums, and you can sometimes find what you need by searching there. The sites are all run by the same guy. Paul |
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Paul nospam needed.com wrote:
Leala wrote: CRNG wrote: I wanted to search the archive for this NG, so I went to https://groups.google.com/forum/ and did a "search for groups named" alt.comp.os.windows-8 and came up with nothing. It's been years since I've tried to search a NG archive, but I was shocked that GG doesn't seem to carry it. Maybe I did something wrong. Can someone verify that GG doesn't seem to carry this group. Try this: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!search/$20alt.comp.os.wi ndows-8|sort:date It is true, that messages cross-posted to Windows-8, will get archived. But then, the archive is far from complete. Because not every thread occurring in alt.comp.os.windows-8, is cross-posted. Messages posted only to alt.comp.os.windows-8 , should not be archived. There is a benefit to this group not being archived by Google. Fewer morons posting from Google Groups. I haven't used their "groups" search engine for months. It was fun when it was real. |
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