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  #1  
Old April 6th 18, 03:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.
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  #2  
Old April 6th 18, 05:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Patrick[_9_]
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On 06/04/2018 15:56, Chris wrote:
I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless PCI-E card for the wifi.


Does 'Device Manager' indicate any problem with the Card?
Have you installed a Driver from ASUS? W10 may have installed an
unsuitable Driver in the absence of any other Driver.

PCE-N15
Tabs: Drivers & Tools, FAQ, Manuals & Document, Warranty
https://www.asus.com/uk/Networking/P...Desk_Download/
  #3  
Old April 6th 18, 05:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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On 04/06/2018 12:32 PM, Patrick wrote:
On 06/04/2018 15:56, Chris wrote:
I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless PCI-E card for the wifi.


Does 'Device Manager' indicate any problem with the Card?
Have you installed a Driver from ASUS? W10 may have installed an
unsuitable Driver in the absence of any other Driver.

PCE-N15
Tabs: Drivers & Tools, FAQ, Manuals & Document, Warranty
https://www.asus.com/uk/Networking/P...Desk_Download/

The manual is dated 2011 so Win 10 probably has drivers, but I still
like the idea of downloading what Asus might have. Asus also seems to
install a utility to help control the card. There might just be
something in it that's useful.

  #4  
Old April 6th 18, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/04/2018 16:15, Ken1943 wrote:
On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 15:56:38 +0100, Chris wrote:

Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Right Click on the taskbar Windows picture Device Manager Network
Adapters Properties

OR

Type Device Manager in the start menu ( I have to enter whole name for
some reason)


A-ha! Thanks.
  #5  
Old April 6th 18, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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On 06/04/2018 16:16, Ken1943 wrote:
SNIP

Any help/pointers happily received.


What mobo ?


This one
https://www.ebuyer.com/807509-gigaby...oard-z370m-d3h
  #6  
Old April 6th 18, 07:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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On 06/04/2018 17:46, Big Al wrote:
On 04/06/2018 12:32 PM, Patrick wrote:
On 06/04/2018 15:56, Chris wrote:
I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless PCI-E card for the wifi.


Does 'Device Manager' indicate any problem with the Card?
Have you installed a Driver from ASUS? W10 may have installed an
unsuitable Driver in the absence of any other Driver.


All looks fine. It insists it has the most recent driver even if I point
it at the ASUS install.

PCE-N15
Tabs: Drivers & Tools, FAQ, Manuals & Document, Warranty
https://www.asus.com/uk/Networking/P...Desk_Download/

The manual is dated 2011 so Win 10 probably has drivers, but I still
like the idea of downloading what Asus might have.Â* Asus also seems to
install a utility to help control the card.Â* There might just be
something in it that's useful.


All the utility seems to do is "install" the driver, although the Device
Manager still insists it's a Microsoft driver. I can't find any program
associated with the card...

  #7  
Old April 6th 18, 08:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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On 4/6/2018 7:56 AM, Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and
Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.

Have you tried the card in a different computer?
Swapped out the antennas?
Moved the computer slightly?
Changed the channel of the router?
Moved the computer right next to the router?
Tried a different access point?
Would be nice to determine whether the problem
is related to signal strength or interference
or some software issue.

WiFi Analyzer on a smartphone is a good way to
look at signal strength and interference from other
access points on the same or near channels.

I once had a speed problem. Turned out to be the
huge mirror in the next room right in the signal
path to the router. Moved the antenna slightly
and the problem went away.
  #8  
Old April 7th 18, 01:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Long shot:

5Ghz or 2.4GHz Wi-Fi (in use)?

If 2.4GHz, does the system have Bluetooth? If yes, turn Bluetooth off.
  #9  
Old April 7th 18, 06:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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On 4/7/2018 5:00 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Long shot:

5Ghz or 2.4GHz Wi-Fi (in use)?

If 2.4GHz, does the system have Bluetooth? If yes, turn Bluetooth off.

Good point.
I had to dump all my 2.4 and 5GHZ cordless phones. The DECT6 stuff seems
to be compatible with wifi.

Another diagnostic option is to boot a linux live CD.
See if it has the same speed problem.
http://macpup.org/
MacPup 5.50 has a very easy wireless configuration wizard
that starts at boot and you don't have to know anything to use.
Also makes a good utility fixit disk.

Sounds like you're already familiar with linux, so that may not help you.
My limited experience with linux suggests that interconnectivity
between linux and windows can be problematic. MacPup5.50
has ALWAYS worked seamlessly with windows, for me, out of the box.

I'm sure there are better options to look at speed, but I like
this option because you don't have to know anything about anything
to use it.
http://8gadgetpack.net/
drag the network meter to your desktop.
Start a large file transfer.
If the speed graph has a flat top, that suggests throttling somewhere.
If it's spikey, that points more toward signal quality/interference.

I'd also experiment with encryption.
I have one tablet that has a very fast connection with encryption
disabled, but is slower than a slug with AES encryption.

It is not a hardware limitation, but the standards committee took it
upon itself to limit wireless connection speeds unless you used AES
encryption or no encryption at all. IIRC, even if you tell it you
want N with lesser encryption, you are maxed at somewhere around G
speeds. That can be very annoying and hardware or software vendors
may try to sneak around that with varying degrees of success.

Sounds like your problem is much worse than G speed.
  #10  
Old April 8th 18, 04:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bennett Price[_2_]
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On 4/7/2018 10:55 AM, mike wrote:
On 4/7/2018 5:00 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly)
and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Â*Â* Long shot:

Â*Â* 5Ghz or 2.4GHz Wi-Fi (in use)?

Â*Â* If 2.4GHz, does the system have Bluetooth? If yes, turn Bluetooth off.

Good point.
I had to dump all my 2.4 and 5GHZ cordless phones.Â* The DECT6 stuff seems
to be compatible with wifi.

Another diagnostic option is to boot a linux live CD.
See if it has the same speed problem.
http://macpup.org/
MacPup 5.50 has a very easy wireless configuration wizard
thatÂ* starts at boot and you don't have to know anything to use.
Also makes a good utility fixit disk.

Sounds like you're already familiar with linux, so that may not help you.
My limited experience with linux suggests that interconnectivity
between linux and windows can be problematic.Â* MacPup5.50
has ALWAYS worked seamlessly with windows, for me, out of the box.

I'm sure there are better options to look at speed, but I like
this option because you don't have to know anything about anything
to use it.
http://8gadgetpack.net/
drag the network meter to your desktop.
Start a large file transfer.
If the speed graph has a flat top, that suggests throttling somewhere.
If it's spikey, that points more toward signal quality/interference.

I'd also experiment with encryption.
I have one tablet that has a very fast connection with encryption
disabled, but is slower than a slug with AES encryption.

It is not a hardware limitation, but the standards committee took it
upon itself to limit wireless connection speeds unless you used AES
encryption or no encryption at all.Â* IIRC, even if you tell it you
want N with lesser encryption, you are maxed at somewhere around G
speeds.Â* That can be very annoying and hardware or software vendors
may try to sneak around that with varying degrees of success.

Sounds like your problem is much worse than G speed.

If you succeed in getting it out of slug mode, I suggest that you run
TCP Optimizer https://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php
  #11  
Old April 8th 18, 07:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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On 06/04/2018 20:40, mike wrote:
On 4/6/2018 7:56 AM, Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and
Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.

Have you tried the card in a different computer?


No

Swapped out the antennas?


No, but am thinking of an extension.

Moved the computer slightly?


Yup

Changed the channel of the router?


No. We're in a detached property with little/no interference from
neighbours.

Moved the computer right next to the router?


Not possible.

Tried a different access point?


Don't have a spare.

Would be nice to determine whether the problem
is related to signal strength or interference
or some software issue.


Agree.

WiFi Analyzer on a smartphone is a good way to
look at signal strength and interference from other
access points on the same or near channels.

I once had a speed problem.Â* Turned out to be the
huge mirror in the next room right in the signal
path to the router.Â*Â* Moved the antenna slightly
and the problem went away.


Thanks for the suggestions. I would ideally like to try it in another
computer, but it's an internal PCIe card so not so conducive. Also, the
old computer was in exactly the same position with no problems.

It's really intermittent. I've fiddled with the device settings and set
it to "wifi mode: b/g" which seems to have stabilised things a little.
  #12  
Old April 8th 18, 07:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 07/04/2018 13:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly) and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Long shot:

5Ghz or 2.4GHz Wi-Fi (in use)?


Yes. The router is dual band. Not sure about the card. No mention of
5/2.4 Ghz, but it does mention 20/40MHz - not sure what that means?

If 2.4GHz, does the system have Bluetooth? If yes, turn Bluetooth off.


No bluetooth.

  #13  
Old April 8th 18, 07:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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On 07/04/2018 18:55, mike wrote:
On 4/7/2018 5:00 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly)
and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Â*Â* Long shot:

Â*Â* 5Ghz or 2.4GHz Wi-Fi (in use)?

Â*Â* If 2.4GHz, does the system have Bluetooth? If yes, turn Bluetooth off.

Good point.
I had to dump all my 2.4 and 5GHZ cordless phones.Â* The DECT6 stuff seems
to be compatible with wifi.

Another diagnostic option is to boot a linux live CD.
See if it has the same speed problem.
http://macpup.org/
MacPup 5.50 has a very easy wireless configuration wizard
thatÂ* starts at boot and you don't have to know anything to use.
Also makes a good utility fixit disk.

Sounds like you're already familiar with linux, so that may not help you.
My limited experience with linux suggests that interconnectivity
between linux and windows can be problematic.Â* MacPup5.50
has ALWAYS worked seamlessly with windows, for me, out of the box.

I'm sure there are better options to look at speed, but I like
this option because you don't have to know anything about anything
to use it.
http://8gadgetpack.net/
drag the network meter to your desktop.
Start a large file transfer.
If the speed graph has a flat top, that suggests throttling somewhere.
If it's spikey, that points more toward signal quality/interference.

I'd also experiment with encryption.
I have one tablet that has a very fast connection with encryption
disabled, but is slower than a slug with AES encryption.

It is not a hardware limitation, but the standards committee took it
upon itself to limit wireless connection speeds unless you used AES
encryption or no encryption at all.Â* IIRC, even if you tell it you
want N with lesser encryption, you are maxed at somewhere around G
speeds.Â* That can be very annoying and hardware or software vendors
may try to sneak around that with varying degrees of success.

Sounds like your problem is much worse than G speed.


Thanks for tips. I'll see how I get on.
  #14  
Old April 8th 18, 07:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Chris
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On 08/04/2018 04:34, Bennett Price wrote:
On 4/7/2018 10:55 AM, mike wrote:
On 4/7/2018 5:00 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a
cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly)
and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the
house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.

Â*Â* Long shot:

Â*Â* 5Ghz or 2.4GHz Wi-Fi (in use)?

Â*Â* If 2.4GHz, does the system have Bluetooth? If yes, turn Bluetooth
off.

Good point.
I had to dump all my 2.4 and 5GHZ cordless phones.Â* The DECT6 stuff seems
to be compatible with wifi.

Another diagnostic option is to boot a linux live CD.
See if it has the same speed problem.
http://macpup.org/
MacPup 5.50 has a very easy wireless configuration wizard
thatÂ* starts at boot and you don't have to know anything to use.
Also makes a good utility fixit disk.

Sounds like you're already familiar with linux, so that may not help you.
My limited experience with linux suggests that interconnectivity
between linux and windows can be problematic.Â* MacPup5.50
has ALWAYS worked seamlessly with windows, for me, out of the box.

I'm sure there are better options to look at speed, but I like
this option because you don't have to know anything about anything
to use it.
http://8gadgetpack.net/
drag the network meter to your desktop.
Start a large file transfer.
If the speed graph has a flat top, that suggests throttling somewhere.
If it's spikey, that points more toward signal quality/interference.

I'd also experiment with encryption.
I have one tablet that has a very fast connection with encryption
disabled, but is slower than a slug with AES encryption.

It is not a hardware limitation, but the standards committee took it
upon itself to limit wireless connection speeds unless you used AES
encryption or no encryption at all.Â* IIRC, even if you tell it you
want N with lesser encryption, you are maxed at somewhere around G
speeds.Â* That can be very annoying and hardware or software vendors
may try to sneak around that with varying degrees of success.

Sounds like your problem is much worse than G speed.

If you succeed in getting it out of slug mode, I suggest that you run
TCP OptimizerÂ* https://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php


I'm not sure I know where to start with that...
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Old April 8th 18, 08:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Chris wrote:
On 07/04/2018 13:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Chris wrote:
Hi all,

Am a longtime computer user, but new to win10 as I've just built a cheap
gaming machine. My last extensive exposure to windows was win98, so
please be gentle. My experience since then has been linux (mostly)
and Macs.

This is a home machine running Win10 Pro version 1709. Rest of the spec
is an intel i3 8100 (coffee lake), 8GB RAM, nVidia 3GB GTX1060, a
Samsung 820 64GB SSD and a 1TB HDD. I have an Asus PCE-N15 Wireless
PCI-E card for the wifi.

The problem is that the networking is crushingly slow on this machine
(i.e. measured in low kilobits per sec). Every other device in the house
incl. smart TVs, Mac laptops, linux desktops, phones, etc. have really
good connectivity (measured in megabits per sec) - they are quite happy
streaming Netflix etc. However, this PC stuggles to even refresh
newsgroup headers or load googe.com in a browser.

Where do I find where the wireless device drivers are so that I try and
tweak them? Where else can I look to try and boost the networking on
this machine? Or alternatively, what could be interferring with the
internet speed?

Given the location of the router relative to the PC ethernet is not an
option, so please don't go down that road.

Other devices (incl. the linux PC which this windows machine is
replacing) have no problems using wireless in the same room as the PC.
The PC seems throttled somehow and I'm not sure where...

Any help/pointers happily received.


Long shot:

5Ghz or 2.4GHz Wi-Fi (in use)?


Yes. The router is dual band. Not sure about the card. No mention of
5/2.4 Ghz, but it does mention 20/40MHz - not sure what that means?

If 2.4GHz, does the system have Bluetooth? If yes, turn Bluetooth off.


No bluetooth.


The 20/40MHz is the channel width. It affects data rate. The standards
require the narrower setting, as a function of "green field" - if
older Wifi standards are detected "in the air", newer standards are expected
not to screw up the older standards. And then the channel width
should be 20MHz at the driver level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11n

If you're on a farm and away from other Wifi setups, then you
may be able to actually configure Wifi gear for the best
possible performance using the standard you've selected.

No matter what Wifi standard you use, they hardly ever switch up
to the highest performing mode seen in a Wikipedia article. Even
when the manufacturer makes a concerted effort and not a half-hearted
effort :-) Devices like this for example, may be dual band
and MIMO, and close to the maximum number of antennas for
the max spatial in the standard. Having this many antennas,
a "cheese grater", is like an "Offering to the Gods of Wifi"
that your harvest will be good.

http://www.networkbuzz.org/wp-conten...3123d28953.jpg

*******

I like the graphic in this article, because it shows you the
nature of Wifi propagation into other rooms. Constructive
and destructive interference, multipath etc.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/01/w...nal-reception/

Many times, too much signal is just as bad as not enough. With
too much signal, it encourages the multipath interference,
and that's what throws the signal off. The smallnetbuilder
site, I think they might have used an RF absorptive mat
in a lab, and got better reception. I don't know of a way though,
to easily build a map like in that picture - there are portable
sniffers, but you'd need a device that knew precisely where
it was in the floor plan when taking readings, to build
a map like that.

USB3 cables emit a broad signal with a peak energy at 2.5GHz.
Right smack in the middle of the lower Wifi band. As far as the
Wifi is concerned, the modulation is random and looks like
a noise floor. leaking USB3 cables can knock out a Bluetooth
mouse or keyboard (until you move the two apart).

Bluetooth (frequency hopping) is not supposed to interfere
with Wifi. (I would have to dig up an article for an
explanation of why it's not expected to interfere.) Bluetooth
changes channels 1200-1800 times a second or so. So as an
interference source, it doesn't stay absolutely steady
with respect to the more fixed channels on Wifi. The Wifi
defines a smaller set of channels, and then uses an even
smaller subset of the defined channel marks, in order that
the skirts of the channels not overlap. And then in North America,
there might be three channel allocations you can select
on a router. And you select the one that "doesn't seem to
have a lot of traffic on it".

In the sketchy pictures here, you can see 1,6,11,14 in the
diagram, with the intention to show that 1 and 6 don't
interfere, because the skirt is down enough at the edges.
North America and Europe have slightly different allocations,
and perhaps 14 is illegal in NA, and then the three
channels might be 1,6,11. You should have the option
to adjust your Wifi (somewhere) for one of the three
non-overlapping choices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wifi_channel

I don't use Wifi here, so cannot vouch for any tuning
procedures or give practical advice. The only Bluetooth
I had here, was the lowest class kind, and it barely
worked at five feet :-) And the Windows 10 software
for it, sucked (couldn't get it to set up a Piconet).
I can just imagine how a Wifi experiment would go here.

I already had an experience here, where someone down the
street from me, was using some electronics that wiped
out OTA TV reception on a couple channels. There's
really no way to know just what kind of a jammed
mess you're in, in any given residence. Maybe a leaking
microwave oven could do it, so your download stops,
every time you microwave a burrito.

Paul
 




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