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Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by
windows. Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? |
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Freeple wrote:
Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows. Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Posting this to two groups was a bad idea, because the answer is different for each group. On WinXP, BootVis was demonstrated here on my SP3 setup, to work, and show some information about the boot sequence. On a later OS, XBootMgr/XPerf or WPA, might be used to collect the same sort of information as BootVis. Except BootVis was a consumer-friendly approach to doing it. Using WPA is extreme overkill, as the default configuration takes around 2 hours to run, and is completely pointless. XBootMgr will only cost one reboot, by comparison. Another way to collect a boot trace, is with ProcMon from Sysinternals. And the neat thing is, you can even have a trace running during system shutdown, and ProcMon keeps files during the shutdown, as well as collecting a separate trace during startup. The trace files could take a gigabyte of hard drive space. After the reboot, when you run ProcMon, that terminates the trace, so you should only start ProcMon, when you think all the symptoms have been collected in the trace. (Like, wait until you've successfully run an app after the reboot, as proof the symptomatic behavior will be contained in the boot trace.) Procmon doesn't always work though. Procmon does stuff line inject "procmon23.dll" as a hidden file, into your OS folder. That's part of how it can be doing stuff when it isn't running. That file plays some part in it. A number of times, I've seen ProcMon "do nothing" on a reboot, as if that injected DLL didn't work out for some reason. Procmon does not remove the file, either! ******* The only strange behavior I've seen on WinXP, is with regard to the Firewall, and .NET patches. After a .NET patch installs, "ngen.exe" is supposed to run and recompile .NET assemblies and put them in an assembly cache. Sometimes, network related things won't start, because they're waiting for ngen.exe to compile the Firewall code. This is an example of a fix for that. You locate the highest version of .NET on the machine, and execute the ngen.exe in there with "executequeueditems" as the passed argument. That's supposed to get ngen.exe to finish what it's supposed to be doing, so that on the next boot, there should be no delay for the Firewall code to load and run. C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\ngen .exe executequeueditems ECHO Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Startup Fix for WinXP Other than that, I would not have "high expectations" about BootVis or any of the other methods, to tell you a damn thing. My batting average on finding "culprits" is poor. And part of that, is the lack of visibility on what SVCHOSTs are doing. They're a detriment to debugging. Paul |
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On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote:
Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.Â* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try. I used it once. I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) |
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In message , Big Al
writes: On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. I think from 7 on, it at least gives you some access, before everything that loads at boot has finished. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try. I used it once. I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) Thanks - an interesting prog.: I can't help thinking it must have a catch, as it claims to do what has otherwise seemed to involve quite a lot of complex work (it claims to analyse how long the various things you have set to start with Windows, take; also to provide a countdown indication during boot to when your desktop will be ready). Paul, have you looked at it? It says it doesn't work with alternative shells - needs Windows Explorer. (This isn't clear - to me, anyway - whether it means it doesn't work with shells that don't have Explorer, or just doesn't work with alternative shells altogether; the English throughout it is a little odd on places, though I couldn't write it in Russian so fair enough!). I tried it, although I have Classic Shell; it gave a time (75.842 seconds, which it says is slow), but didn't collect any other data, and also I think it declared I was done starting when I don't think I was (certainly other things continued to happen after that). But I'll leave it for a while - maybe it needs more than one boot to collect properly, or maybe it just doesn't work with Classic Shell. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf G B Shaw said: "Few people think more than two or three times a year; I have made an international reputation for myself by thinking once or twice a week." (quoted by "Dont Bother" [sic], 2015-8-24.) |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:04:34 -0400, Big Al wrote:
On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try. I used it once. I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) Meh... 11MB+. Definitely a bloated software. |
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On 4/13/2018 6:04 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.Â* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try.Â* I used it once.Â*Â* I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...02-64-bit-864/ |
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On 04/13/2018 7:08 PM, Mike S wrote:
On 4/13/2018 6:04 AM, Big Al wrote: On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.Â* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try.Â* I used it once.Â*Â* I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...02-64-bit-864/ Winbootinfo does not seem to be available. Rene |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 20:22:28 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote: I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...02-64-bit-864/ Winbootinfo does not seem to be available. Maybe you could try again - I downloaded it just a few minutes ago. |
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On 04/13/2018 8:46 PM, Monty wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 20:22:28 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote: I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...02-64-bit-864/ Winbootinfo does not seem to be available. Maybe you could try again - I downloaded it just a few minutes ago. Okay, will try tomorrow. Rene |
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In message , Mike S
writes: On 4/13/2018 6:04 AM, Big Al wrote: On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try.* I used it once.** I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...s/winbootinfo- 102-64-bit-864/ Seems to be _only_ 64 bit. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Not an electronic sausage!" |
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I tried that ProcMon but it did not work.
All, I am asking in the Win XP area since I need one of these boot monitors for WIn XP Pro. |
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why don't you use the machine to find your answer.
It will tell you what to use. And it has it somewhere it does. Like on 6.1, you use your resource monitor in combination with event viewer. And you can change what boots up and what you don't want to boot up. or I tell you now, in 6.1, you can find out when was the very first time the machine was ever powered up for the very first time. I know, cause i got ****ed when I found out, that i paid new price at best buy for a machine, that was really 8 years old. Most of what a machine does, is logged yes. Any machine. check a xp newsgroup if cannot find what your looking for. Or a boot newsgroup. On 4/14/2018 7:49 AM, Freeple scribbled: I tried that ProcMon but it did not work. All, I am asking in the Win XP area since I need one of these boot monitors for WIn XP Pro. |
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In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes In message , Mike S writes: On 4/13/2018 6:04 AM, Big Al wrote: On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try.* I used it once.** I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...s/winbootinfo- 102-64-bit-864/ Seems to be _only_ 64 bit. Try https://www.techworld.com/download/s...nbootinfo-102- 32-bit-634/#downloadLinks http://bit.ly/2H0iomF but my AV (ESET) blocks the download - and I haven't tried to persuade if to allow it. -- Ian |
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In message , Ian Jackson
writes: In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)" writes In message , Mike S writes: On 4/13/2018 6:04 AM, Big Al wrote: On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try.* I used it once.** I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...s/winbootinfo- 102-64-bit-864/ Seems to be _only_ 64 bit. Try https://www.techworld.com/download/s...nbootinfo-102- 32-bit-634/#downloadLinks http://bit.ly/2H0iomF but my AV (ESET) blocks the download - and I haven't tried to persuade if to allow it. Thanks. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you bate your breath do you catch a lung fish? (Glynn Greenwood 1996-8-23.) |
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 14:14:40 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Mike S writes: On 4/13/2018 6:04 AM, Big Al wrote: On 04/12/2018 06:09 PM, Freeple wrote: Isn't there some application that will show what is being loaded by windows.* Even one that will show what is loading during and after the desktop first appears. I wold like to know why it takes so long for apps to run after the desktop first appears. A little while later, maybe two minutes, the apps respond quickly. Does Nirsoft or someone have something that will watch what is going on ? Give this a try.* I used it once.** I had no problems but it was fun to see what was going on. http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/ You've got nothing to lose. :-) I haven't tried this, found it on the wikipedia bootvis page, bootvis worked great on an xp machine for me once; note this is a trial version, from 2010, but it looks interesting. Might be worth a look. WinBootInfo 1.02 (64-bit) Find out exactly what's happening on your PC during the boot process https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/downlo...s/winbootinfo- 102-64-bit-864/ Seems to be _only_ 64 bit. Softpedia has it http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/...BootInfo.shtml It's a trial, not sure how many (if any) features are disabled. Never tried it. The OP could install CodeStuff Starter. It lists all the startups, and you can disable the obviously unnecessary ones by simply unmarking them. That should speed the boot process. http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/S.../Starter.shtml Then time the ones you disabled with Apptimer. https://www.passmark.com/products/apptimer.htm //PassMark AppTimer V1.0 build 1010 Overview ======== AppTimer will run an executable a number of times and time how long it takes for the application to reach a state where user input is being accepted before exiting the application. After each run of the application AppTimer will attempt to close the application in an automated fashion. It's main use is in benchmarking an application's startup time.// PS - Tested under XP only. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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