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Why Only On One PC?
"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message ... Jone Doe wrote: gigantic snip of whining Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it, and sell it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK* so! The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is a little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al Gore would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying politics). The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN (the European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and HTML in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html. You forgot to add that Al was also inspiring Erich Segal to write "Love Story". ....danny |
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Why Only On One PC?
I most certainly would like to read your lawyers answer. Please contact him
and post his answer here. "Alias" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... Like I said semantics. Why don't you ask a lawyer? You don't want to know what my lawyer has to say about this. It's *not* semantics. Words have definitions, both in a connotative and dennotative sense. Alias "Alias" wrote in message ... "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... You are doing nothing but arguing semantics. Do you buy one automobile license and use it on several cars? A car is a product. MS says their software is a product. Automobile licenses are not products. Alias "Alias" wrote in message ... "Jone Doe" wrote gigantic snip of whining Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it, and sell it. Then why does Microsoft call it a "product"??? A banana is a product, isn't it? One pays for a product and one can do whatever one wants to unless it's computer software? And don't tell me they don't call their software a product rather than a license because I just read on my legitimate copy of XP Pro where there is an email for *product* support, not *rental* support. No wonder MS has never taken anyone to court; they'd lose. Alias |
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I find this unconscionable. I contest this based on the fact that I
purchased a copy of the software which is mine. M$ owns the code, and I may not reverse engineer it, but I should dang well be able to use my copy of the software as I please in the privacy of my own home for non-commercial purposes. It's called fair use rights. -- hermes I like to compare owning a copy of Windows with owning a book. Both are intellectual properties. It's illegal for me to make copies of either one and sell them. The only difference is I don't have to buy multiple copies of the same book for each room in my house. |
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"Plato" |@|.| wrote Alias wrote: Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions. It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off your bong for a few days and read it again. Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that? Alias |
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Alias wrote:
Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions. It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off your bong for a few days and read it again. Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that? [grin] I'm not much of a flamer so sorry, it's the best I can muster |
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As far a software is concerned, Microsoft is not selling software.
Also Microsoft is not renting software. Although the detractors often attempt to spread this misinformation to the ignorant. Microsoft sells a license to use the software under terms agreed to by both parties. If you choose to ignore the other options I suppose you will feel there is no choice. The people that use Linux for one will disagree with you when you say there is no choice. Many of them are quite happy with the operating system. Many people use Open Office and are quite pleased. There are no options for those who choose not to see. You are not forced to buy it at all. Whether to buy or not is a CHOICE each buyer needs to make. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Alias" wrote in message ... "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... OK if you want your ludicrous example. If Chiquita put a restriction on the use of their banana, you would have a choice to agree or buy from another source. They *can't* put a restriction on bananas. They were really worried about that when they thought that banana peels, when smoked, would get you high, thanks to Donovan's Mellow Yellow. Same with Microsoft or most any product. Again, I ask you, is MS selling a "product"? I don't think so. The manufacturer sets the terms if any. If you do not like the terms set, buy another brand. The "other brands" do not have a monopoly on computer software. In effect, the manufacturer is forcing us to buy his rental of a product. Alias -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Alias" wrote in message ... "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote The manufacturer of a product has a right to control the usage of their product. Are you sure it's a product we're buying? Seems like we are buying the right to use something, not ownership of the product. Gosh, that's almost as sneaky as stealing windows from Apple. If you do not like the terms, buy from someone else. Unfortunately for MS, there are other choices, be they using a pirated version if you can't afford the priveledge of using the "product" or go with an open source OS. One can only hope that the alternative OSs can not only force MS to lower their prices and loosen their restrictions but motivate them to put out a better product. Your comparison with bananas is ludicrous. Bananas are "products", are they not? Can you imagine Chiquita Banana suing someone for not using their bananas correctly? Alias |
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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message ... Jone Doe wrote: gigantic snip of whining Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it, and sell it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK* so! The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is a little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al Gore would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying politics). The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN (the European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and HTML in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html. http://www.governmentexecutive.com/d...9/031299t1.htm March 12, 1999 Did Al Gore invent the Internet? By Rebecca S. Weiner, National Journal's Technology Daily House Majority Leader Richard Armey, R-Texas, lampooned Vice President Al Gore Thursday for telling an interviewer that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." "If the Vice President created the Internet then I created the Interstate highway system," Armey said in a statement released by his office Thursday. "Both were begun during the Eisenhower Administration and I think Ike actually deserves a little credit here." "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet," Gore said during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, according to a CNN transcript. Gore, who leads for the Democratic presidential nomination, has made technology his trademark issue. "Vice President Gore first popularized the term 'Information Superhighway' more than 20 years ago and stands on the shoulders of great thinkers who created the foundation for what is now the Internet," a Gore spokeswoman said. In fact, both men have rewritten a bit of history. The precursor to the Internet, a Defense Department project called ARPANet, was begun in 1969 under Richard Nixon's administration. That was seven years before Gore was first elected to the House of Representatives. The Interstate Highway system was indeed begun when Eisenhower was president - and one of its prime architects was Gore's father, Sen. Albert Gore, Sr. D-Tenn. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 |
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Yes, it would be interesrting to see what your lawyer (the one
successfully specializing in software licensing) has to say. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Alias" wrote in message ... Trust me, you don't want to hear it. Alias |
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Your example is not really not all that bad.
Do you remove the book from one room before you take it to another room? Or do you copy the book so multiple users in various locations can read it at the same time? -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "DJS0302" wrote in message news:20040721153928.03786.00001294@mb- I like to compare owning a copy of Windows with owning a book. Both are intellectual properties. It's illegal for me to make copies of either one and sell them. The only difference is I don't have to buy multiple copies of the same book for each room in my house. |
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"Plato" |@|.| wrote Alias wrote: Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions. It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off your bong for a few days and read it again. Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that? Alias |
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Alias wrote:
Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions. It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off your bong for a few days and read it again. Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that? [grin] I'm not much of a flamer so sorry, it's the best I can muster |
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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message ... Jone Doe wrote: gigantic snip of whining Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it, and sell it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK* so! The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is a little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al Gore would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying politics). The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN (the European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and HTML in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html. http://www.governmentexecutive.com/d...9/031299t1.htm March 12, 1999 Did Al Gore invent the Internet? By Rebecca S. Weiner, National Journal's Technology Daily House Majority Leader Richard Armey, R-Texas, lampooned Vice President Al Gore Thursday for telling an interviewer that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." "If the Vice President created the Internet then I created the Interstate highway system," Armey said in a statement released by his office Thursday. "Both were begun during the Eisenhower Administration and I think Ike actually deserves a little credit here." "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet," Gore said during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, according to a CNN transcript. Gore, who leads for the Democratic presidential nomination, has made technology his trademark issue. "Vice President Gore first popularized the term 'Information Superhighway' more than 20 years ago and stands on the shoulders of great thinkers who created the foundation for what is now the Internet," a Gore spokeswoman said. In fact, both men have rewritten a bit of history. The precursor to the Internet, a Defense Department project called ARPANet, was begun in 1969 under Richard Nixon's administration. That was seven years before Gore was first elected to the House of Representatives. The Interstate Highway system was indeed begun when Eisenhower was president - and one of its prime architects was Gore's father, Sen. Albert Gore, Sr. D-Tenn. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 |
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"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message ... Jone Doe wrote: gigantic snip of whining Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it, and sell it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK* so! The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is a little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al Gore would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying politics). The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN (the European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and HTML in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html. You forgot to add that Al was also inspiring Erich Segal to write "Love Story". ....danny |
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"DJS0302" wrote in message ... I find this unconscionable. I contest this based on the fact that I purchased a copy of the software which is mine. M$ owns the code, and I may not reverse engineer it, but I should dang well be able to use my copy of the software as I please in the privacy of my own home for non-commercial purposes. It's called fair use rights. -- hermes I like to compare owning a copy of Windows with owning a book. Both are intellectual properties. It's illegal for me to make copies of either one and sell them. The only difference is I don't have to buy multiple copies of the same book for each room in my house. Doesn't hold up again. If you want to have a separate copy of a book in each room of your house, how many books must you buy? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 7/19/2004 |
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