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Vista I will not be buying
I apologize for the rant.
http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. Greg Ro |
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GregRo wrote:
I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. Greg Ro I hope you can sleep at night if Microsoft goes bankrupt. -- If there is a Tourist Season, how come we can't shoot them? |
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"Leythos" wrote in message
... In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case, although I can see it being so for some others. |
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:20:22 GMT, Leythos wrote:
In article , webworm12 says... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote: In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to steal. The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period. That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want to see everything and have access to everything on the computer period. Let use this analogy. Some one builds you a home. They put a private room in Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed access to it. Even through it is in your own house. Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a legal right to it - what part are you left without? Your analogy should be more like: You buy a house. You want to make crack in it. The government has rules against it - you have a choice. You start making crack. You get your home taken away by the government. My point is I want to have access to everything on may hard drive and in my computer. If I choose to break a law that is my choice not the operating system. I don't need a net nanny that for kids. Which I don't break any laws for the record. Microsoft and Hollywood assumes everyone is a criminal out to get them. What if a virus, spyware, or adware program got into the protected area and the virus, spyware or adware protection program could not clean it out? This will happen. If you want to buy vista go right ahead. I made my decision based on those and other articles. If every I do get vista is will be only because a job requires or Microsoft sent me a free version Greg Ro |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? Hey Lameboy! PA and WGA already screw people who have stolen nothing at all. More copy-protection will garner more problem for people doing absolutely nothing illegal. So F*#K YOU and all your BILLIONAIRE Hollywood & Redmond buddies. You are a total brownshirt for the corporate copyright elite. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case, although I can see it being so for some others. From what I've read, it only limits actions of what most of us would consider pirating materials. Right now, if I stick my CD in the drive and have WMP rip it to MP3's, it checks something and lets me do it - and adds a license for it to my machine. Seems to me that only pirates will have any issues with doing illegal things with Vista. Read his link if you want to see. The imagined pirates of the corporate copyright elite, those that exercise their legal "fair use" rights. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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relic wrote:
GregRo wrote: I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. Greg Ro I hope you can sleep at night if Microsoft goes bankrupt. LOL! The software piracy rate was much higher in 1994 than it was in 2000 before MS implimented its copy-protection, PA. I don't seem to remember that MS was anywhere close to bankruptcy! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Leythos wrote: In article , says... I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case, although I can see it being so for some others. From what I've read, it only limits actions of what most of us would consider pirating materials. Right now, if I stick my CD in the drive and have WMP rip it to MP3's, it checks something and lets me do it - and adds a license for it to my machine. Seems to me that only pirates will have any issues with doing illegal things with Vista. Read his link if you want to see. The imagined pirates of the corporate copyright elite, those that exercise their legal "fair use" rights. The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both Clinton and Bush. see www.eff.org |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both Clinton and Bush. And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it. If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement, then you won't be able to view hi-def video content. That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I already own. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Leythos wrote in
: In article , webworm12 @yes.lycs.com says... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote: In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to steal. The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period. That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want to see everything and have access to everything on the computer period. Let use this analogy. Some one builds you a home. They put a private room in Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed access to it. Even through it is in your own house. Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a legal right to it - what part are you left without? Your analogy should be more like: You buy a house. You want to make crack in it. The government has rules against it - you have a choice. You start making crack. You get your home taken away by the government. The real weak link in all of this stuff from Microsoft is the fact that human beings experience the world in an analog fashion. The sound we hear - no matter how well protected has to be converted to an audible signal and the video we see has to be converted to a visual one - no amount of digital protection will stop a fully protected device from displaying its picture and speakers producing their sound. I have an inline scan converter that the VGA output from the computer attaches to - and then passes on to the computer. While inside the little gizmo - it splits the video out to a NTSC standard output I have attached to the VCR/DVD recorder. I bought a signal splitter for $2.00 for the audio and run one line into the VCR/DVD and the other into the computer. Slower method of capture of course - real-time, instead os just capturing bits - but works fine. The articles I have read have stated Microsoft might fuzzy up the picture so that HDTV quality would not be there - but would equal DVD-quality at present-levels. I can live with that. This "new" scheme is just that - a new "scheme" - the articles have stated it will only work on Windows Media - so Microsoft is probably salivating on how much money they can make selling something that will not work - just as surely as DRM does not. Yes it works digitally - but again folks live in an analog world and it does not work. Being doing this for years with internet audio I wanted to capture - just hook the audio out into my Dolby Digital Tape Recorder and capture on metal oxide tape with excellent sound - and digital too!! cya a fools game from Microsoft on DRM |
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evieg wrote in
: Leythos wrote in : In article , webworm12 @yes.lycs.com says... On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote: In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to steal. The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period. That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want to see everything and have access to everything on the computer period. Let use this analogy. Some one builds you a home. They put a private room in Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed access to it. Even through it is in your own house. Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a legal right to it - what part are you left without? Your analogy should be more like: You buy a house. You want to make crack in it. The government has rules against it - you have a choice. You start making crack. You get your home taken away by the government. The real weak link in all of this stuff from Microsoft is the fact that human beings experience the world in an analog fashion. The sound we hear - no matter how well protected has to be converted to an audible signal and the video we see has to be converted to a visual one - no amount of digital protection will stop a fully protected device from displaying its picture and speakers producing their sound. I have an inline scan converter that the VGA output from the computer attaches to - and then passes on to the computer. While inside the little gizmo - it splits the video out to a NTSC standard output I have attached to the VCR/DVD recorder. I bought a signal splitter for $2.00 for the audio and run one line into the VCR/DVD and the other into the computer. Slower method of capture of course - real-time, instead os just capturing bits - but works fine. The articles I have read have stated Microsoft might fuzzy up the picture so that HDTV quality would not be there - but would equal DVD-quality at present-levels. I can live with that. This "new" scheme is just that - a new "scheme" - the articles have stated it will only work on Windows Media - so Microsoft is probably salivating on how much money they can make selling something that will not work - just as surely as DRM does not. Yes it works digitally - but again folks live in an analog world and it does not work. Being doing this for years with internet audio I wanted to capture - just hook the audio out into my Dolby Digital Tape Recorder and capture on metal oxide tape with excellent sound - and digital too!! cya a fools game from Microsoft on DRM Just an extra note: if all else fails - I just point my Sony Digital Camcorder at the screen making certain of correct settings, etc and a perfect copy also the achieved. |
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Just an extra note: if all else fails - I just point my Sony Digital Camcorder at the screen making certain of correct settings, etc and a perfect copy also the achieved. By the way (BTW) When I say screen I mean computer monitor or television set - I do not mean going into a Movie Theatre and using a Camcorder. I have looked at some of that stuff and it is useless quality. I fully meant creating good quality from and within your own environment and Microsoft should stay out of my living room. Period. |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... Leythos wrote: In article , says... The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both Clinton and Bush. And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it. If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement, then you won't be able to view hi-def video content. That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I already own. I my wide screen TV is not HI-DEF ready, so I suppose that my rights have been eroded too. And who really knows what other things lurk in this. And then consider when it doesn't work right like PA and WGA hasn't for many. Consumers get screwed, but the fat cats in Hollywood & Redmond become even fatter cats. Copy-protection in all its forms is anti-consumer technology. I have yet to see ANY credible proof that casual-copying has EVER hurt one copyright owner. The publishing industry has never been hurt by free public libraries. The music industry was NEVER hurt by cassette tapes and later CD-burning. The TV and Movie industry was NEVER hurt by video tape! And all these copying technologies have been used for casual copying. Even filesharing has yet to be proven to be a scurge to the music and movie industry. Has ANY music publisher, or movie studio even come close to losing money since filesharing? Sure the music industry had a decline in sales, but the same period was also generally considered to be seriously lacking good music releases! There are just as many studies that say that filesharing actually is good for both industries than bad. And since none these corporate content providers has proven it has been hurt by it, it is becoming less and less likely that the industry paid-for studies crying about a filesharing created doomsday is ever likely to happen. So technically casual copying and filesharing are wrong, but in reality they end up actually creating a buzz for what is being CC'd and shared. It is the word of mouth advertising in the digital age. But the music industry cried the sky was falling with cassette tapes! And the movie industry cried wolf with video tapes! And now the RIAA, MPAA, and the BSA are crying like a Greek chorus, yet they are all raking in the big bucks like never before! I've heard enough crocadile tears to know that they are all so full of sh*t. I've heard enough of their FUD, and seen them trash "fair use" like it was casual copying and filesharing. I know full well that no content provider has ever gone broke because of casual copying, and probably actually benefitted from it from word of mouth sales! And it is becoming more and more likely that filesharing does the same but on a more macro scale! The anti-consumer copy-protection campaigns of the RIAA, MPAA, and the BSA are nothing more than FUD, and is intended to sucker people into believing that "fair use" is piracy, when it really is not! Behavior modification by the corporate copyright elites of the world to strip consumers of both their "fair use" rights, and their right to privacy! -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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"Leythos" wrote in message ... In article , says... I apologize for the rant. http://snipurl.com/hbl7 I have made my decision Vista I will not be buying. No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it. I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever. If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system. So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you in any way? That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too. DS |
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