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Old August 30th 05, 07:45 PM
GregRo
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Default Vista I will not be buying

I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

Greg Ro
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Old August 30th 05, 07:51 PM
relic
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GregRo wrote:
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

Greg Ro


I hope you can sleep at night if Microsoft goes bankrupt.

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Old August 30th 05, 09:17 PM
Greg Ro
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote:

In article , says...
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.


So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
in any way?


Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
steal.

The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want
to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
period.

Let use this analogy.
Some one builds you a home.
They put a private room in
Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
access to it. Even through it is in your own house.



Greg Ro








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Old August 30th 05, 09:19 PM
Peter A. Stavrakoglou
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"Leythos" wrote in message
...
In article , says...
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.


So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
in any way?


I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other
electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered
fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or
music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case,
although I can see it being so for some others.


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Old August 30th 05, 09:39 PM
GregRo
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:20:22 GMT, Leythos wrote:

In article , webworm12
says...
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote:

In article , says...
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
in any way?


Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
steal.

The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want
to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
period.

Let use this analogy.
Some one builds you a home.
They put a private room in
Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
access to it. Even through it is in your own house.


Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you
want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a
legal right to it - what part are you left without?

Your analogy should be more like:

You buy a house.
You want to make crack in it.
The government has rules against it - you have a choice.
You start making crack.
You get your home taken away by the government.




My point is I want to have access to everything on may hard drive and
in my computer.

If I choose to break a law that is my choice not the operating system.
I don't need a net nanny that for kids. Which I don't break any laws
for the record. Microsoft and Hollywood assumes everyone is a
criminal out to get them.

What if a virus, spyware, or adware program got into the protected
area and the virus, spyware or adware protection program could not
clean it out? This will happen.

If you want to buy vista go right ahead. I made my decision based on
those and other articles.

If every I do get vista is will be only because a job requires or
Microsoft sent me a free version


Greg Ro




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Old August 30th 05, 09:41 PM
kurttrail
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Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux
system.


So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to
steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to
limit you in any way?


Hey Lameboy! PA and WGA already screw people who have stolen nothing at
all. More copy-protection will garner more problem for people doing
absolutely nothing illegal.

So F*#K YOU and all your BILLIONAIRE Hollywood & Redmond buddies. You
are a total brownshirt for the corporate copyright elite.

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Old August 30th 05, 09:46 PM
kurttrail
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relic wrote:
GregRo wrote:
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux
system. Greg Ro


I hope you can sleep at night if Microsoft goes bankrupt.


LOL! The software piracy rate was much higher in 1994 than it was in
2000 before MS implimented its copy-protection, PA. I don't seem to
remember that MS was anywhere close to bankruptcy!

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Peace!
Kurt
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microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"


  #11  
Old August 31st 05, 01:16 AM
evieg
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Leythos wrote in
:

In article , webworm12
@yes.lycs.com says...
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote:

In article ,
says...
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of
the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or
adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could not
clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux
system.

So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to
steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to
limit you in any way?


Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
steal.

The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want
to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
period.

Let use this analogy.
Some one builds you a home.
They put a private room in
Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
access to it. Even through it is in your own house.


Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you
want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have
a legal right to it - what part are you left without?

Your analogy should be more like:

You buy a house.
You want to make crack in it.
The government has rules against it - you have a choice.
You start making crack.
You get your home taken away by the government.


The real weak link in all of this stuff from Microsoft is the fact that
human beings experience the world in an analog fashion. The sound we
hear - no matter how well protected has to be converted to an audible
signal and the video we see has to be converted to a visual one - no
amount of digital protection will stop a fully protected device from
displaying its picture and speakers producing their sound.

I have an inline scan converter that the VGA output from the computer
attaches to - and then passes on to the computer. While inside the
little gizmo - it splits the video out to a NTSC standard output I have
attached to the VCR/DVD recorder. I bought a signal splitter for $2.00
for the audio and run one line into the VCR/DVD and the other into the
computer. Slower method of capture of course - real-time, instead os
just capturing bits - but works fine.

The articles I have read have stated Microsoft might fuzzy up the picture
so that HDTV quality would not be there - but would equal DVD-quality at
present-levels. I can live with that.

This "new" scheme is just that - a new "scheme" - the articles have
stated it will only work on Windows Media - so Microsoft is probably
salivating on how much money they can make selling something that will
not work - just as surely as DRM does not. Yes it works digitally - but
again folks live in an analog world and it does not work. Being doing
this for years with internet audio I wanted to capture - just hook the
audio out into my Dolby Digital Tape Recorder and capture on metal oxide
tape with excellent sound - and digital too!!

cya

a fools game from Microsoft on DRM
  #12  
Old August 31st 05, 01:27 AM
evieg
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evieg wrote in
:

Leythos wrote in
:

In article , webworm12
@yes.lycs.com says...
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos wrote:

In article ,
says...
I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of
the computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or
adaware got into that protected area and a virus program could
not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux
system.

So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to
steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor
to limit you in any way?

Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
steal.

The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I
want to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
period.

Let use this analogy.
Some one builds you a home.
They put a private room in
Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
access to it. Even through it is in your own house.


Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you
want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have
a legal right to it - what part are you left without?

Your analogy should be more like:

You buy a house.
You want to make crack in it.
The government has rules against it - you have a choice.
You start making crack.
You get your home taken away by the government.


The real weak link in all of this stuff from Microsoft is the fact
that human beings experience the world in an analog fashion. The
sound we hear - no matter how well protected has to be converted to an
audible signal and the video we see has to be converted to a visual
one - no amount of digital protection will stop a fully protected
device from displaying its picture and speakers producing their sound.

I have an inline scan converter that the VGA output from the computer
attaches to - and then passes on to the computer. While inside the
little gizmo - it splits the video out to a NTSC standard output I
have attached to the VCR/DVD recorder. I bought a signal splitter for
$2.00 for the audio and run one line into the VCR/DVD and the other
into the computer. Slower method of capture of course - real-time,
instead os just capturing bits - but works fine.

The articles I have read have stated Microsoft might fuzzy up the
picture so that HDTV quality would not be there - but would equal
DVD-quality at present-levels. I can live with that.

This "new" scheme is just that - a new "scheme" - the articles have
stated it will only work on Windows Media - so Microsoft is probably
salivating on how much money they can make selling something that will
not work - just as surely as DRM does not. Yes it works digitally -
but again folks live in an analog world and it does not work. Being
doing this for years with internet audio I wanted to capture - just
hook the audio out into my Dolby Digital Tape Recorder and capture on
metal oxide tape with excellent sound - and digital too!!

cya

a fools game from Microsoft on DRM


Just an extra note:

if all else fails - I just point my Sony Digital Camcorder at the screen
making certain of correct settings, etc and a perfect copy also the
achieved.
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Old August 31st 05, 01:37 AM
evieg
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Just an extra note:

if all else fails - I just point my Sony Digital Camcorder at the screen
making certain of correct settings, etc and a perfect copy also the
achieved.


By the way (BTW)

When I say screen I mean computer monitor or television set - I do not mean
going into a Movie Theatre and using a Camcorder. I have looked at some of
that stuff and it is useless quality. I fully meant creating good quality
from and within your own environment and Microsoft should stay out of my
living room. Period.
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Old August 31st 05, 02:12 AM
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Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...
Leythos wrote:
In article ,

says...
The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for
at least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed
completely by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system,
under both Clinton and Bush.

And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from
doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it.


If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement,
then you won't be able to view hi-def video content.

That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I
already own.


I my wide screen TV is not HI-DEF ready, so I suppose that my rights
have been eroded too.


And who really knows what other things lurk in this. And then consider
when it doesn't work right like PA and WGA hasn't for many. Consumers
get screwed, but the fat cats in Hollywood & Redmond become even fatter
cats.

Copy-protection in all its forms is anti-consumer technology. I have
yet to see ANY credible proof that casual-copying has EVER hurt one
copyright owner. The publishing industry has never been hurt by free
public libraries. The music industry was NEVER hurt by cassette tapes
and later CD-burning. The TV and Movie industry was NEVER hurt by video
tape! And all these copying technologies have been used for casual
copying. Even filesharing has yet to be proven to be a scurge to the
music and movie industry. Has ANY music publisher, or movie studio even
come close to losing money since filesharing? Sure the music industry
had a decline in sales, but the same period was also generally
considered to be seriously lacking good music releases!

There are just as many studies that say that filesharing actually is
good for both industries than bad. And since none these corporate
content providers has proven it has been hurt by it, it is becoming less
and less likely that the industry paid-for studies crying about a
filesharing created doomsday is ever likely to happen.

So technically casual copying and filesharing are wrong, but in reality
they end up actually creating a buzz for what is being CC'd and shared.
It is the word of mouth advertising in the digital age.

But the music industry cried the sky was falling with cassette tapes!
And the movie industry cried wolf with video tapes! And now the RIAA,
MPAA, and the BSA are crying like a Greek chorus, yet they are all
raking in the big bucks like never before!

I've heard enough crocadile tears to know that they are all so full of
sh*t. I've heard enough of their FUD, and seen them trash "fair use"
like it was casual copying and filesharing. I know full well that no
content provider has ever gone broke because of casual copying, and
probably actually benefitted from it from word of mouth sales! And it
is becoming more and more likely that filesharing does the same but on a
more macro scale! The anti-consumer copy-protection campaigns of the
RIAA, MPAA, and the BSA are nothing more than FUD, and is intended to
sucker people into believing that "fair use" is piracy, when it really
is not! Behavior modification by the corporate copyright elites of the
world to strip consumers of both their "fair use" rights, and their
right to privacy!

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Old August 31st 05, 02:26 AM
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"Leythos" wrote in message
...

In article , says...


I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.


So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
in any way?


That's not what he's saying. What he's saying is that he trusts himself
more than he trusts his OS vendor. It's a question of who should have the
keys to his computer, him or Microsoft. He chooses himself. I would too.

DS


 




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