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Firefox SECRETLY storing your login credentials?
On 11/12/2018 23:17, nospam *LIED*
In article , David B. wrote: You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. they aren't. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'. Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet group. -- Regards, David B. |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 23:09:27 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote: On 11/12/2018 22:51, nospam wrote: In article , David B. wrote: On 11/12/2018 18:41, default wrote, amonst other things, ... Someday you may learn how wrong you are. I take the paranoid viewpoint and only discover that things are worse than I thought they were. When money is involved veracity is elusive. I've really enjoyed your post! :-) It's rather satisfying to see the bull****ter called 'nospam' put firmly in his place! Thank you! if you understood even a tiny fraction of was being discussed, you would realize he has not done that at all. You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I could not delete them. I complained to the American manufacturer and a few weeks later a replacement pad was posted to us from China! It has a switch to disable the adverts. I had to stick a pin through a hole to find the switch. Steve -- http://www.npsnn.com |
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In article , David B.
wrote: You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. they aren't. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'. out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found *something* by now. bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false. Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet group. also false. and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger troll than you already are. |
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In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote: I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I could not delete them. I complained to the American manufacturer and a few weeks later a replacement pad was posted to us from China! It has a switch to disable the adverts. I had to stick a pin through a hole to find the switch. that's crapware, not malware. |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:31:34 -0500, default
wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 12:12:34 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Paul wrote: and there's still the question how a phone that's off can be remotely turned on by some magical signal that is received by a radio that's off. RFID-like schemes transmit enough power to run circuitry. You could do it that way. no you couldn't. the range of rfid is *very* short and it requires the device to be powered on It is indeed very short, a few feet as a rule. But RFID does not require self-power it rectifies energy inductively coupled into it via a loop antenna then uses that energy to transmit its data. A few feet is a bit on the generous side. I can call my mobile phone when it's switched off from a cordless calling phone is about an inch away! It must be induced power on the mobile. When I was in the electronics trade that sort of induced power was considered to be a noise fault. Steve -- http://www.npsnn.com |
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On 2018-12-12 08:30, nospam wrote:
In article , David B. wrote: You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. they aren't. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'. out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found *something* by now. bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false. Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet group. also false. and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger troll than you already are. It would be impossible to make the lying troll who posts under the name 'David B' when he's not sockpuppetting to hide his miserable existence to appear to be a bigger troll than he already is. He achieved Maximum Trolldom a long time ago. I did not think that it was possible for him to appear to be more stupid than he already was. Since then, he has done the impossible: his IQ is currently measured in the negative numbers. He crossposted to the Mac groups because he is: * very, very, VERY stupid * the god-emperor of trolls * an alcoholic who behaves even more stupidly when he's drunk than at other times * a malicious stalker I don't usually visit alt.comp.os.windows-10. If he hadn't been sufficiently stupid and malicious as to crosspost to comp.sys.mac.system I would never have seen your reply to his post. It seems that he is stalking you; I removed him from my killfile and had a look at alt.comp.os.windows-10 and it seems that the majority of his posts there are attacks on you. I will be reloading headers in groups that I post in and will see if he's been stalking me elsewhere, too. He's that kind of person. Assuming, that is, that self-propelled trolling, stalking, extremely stupid, alcoholic slime can be called a person. |
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"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote
| You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be | 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not | afterwards by hacking. | | I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and | kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I think it would be more realistic to look at it the other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's spying on you. What self-loathing, greedy businessman is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying? TV spying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on Ford builds data center to store car data: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...onnected_cars/ Target spying example of the problem with loyalty cards and giving information to retailers: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...er-father-did/ General e-spying: https://www.alternet.org/story/15562... _your_privacy More stuff is coming, like Samsung's idiotic frig with a TV screen to see what's inside. Thermostats. door locks. Surveillance cameras. Baby monitors. Anything that uses the Internet (usually for frivolous reasons) is probably going to be spyware, because that's an almost effortless extra business for manufacturers. They sell you a door lock for $100 that you can open over the Internet with your iPhone. (Keys are so hard to keep track of, aren't they?) Then they can make extra money by tracking when you're home or not and selling that to data miners. They don't need to come up with a use for the data. They can just sell it to people who do have a use. Of course, cellphones are by far the worst, because they act as tracking collars and they're infested with adware/spyware apps. But if you can't read a map or want discounts from Amazon at Whole Foods, then you have to make a choice: Privacy or e-services. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: I think it would be more realistic to look at it the other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's spying on you. that would be a very bad assumption. What self-loathing, greedy businessman is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying? not everyone is a self-loathing greedy businessman. there are people and companies in this world that *do* respect the privacy of their users. |
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On 2018-12-11 08:14, Mayayana wrote:
"David B." "David wrote | Even if you/we THINK that a device is 'off' it COULD still be in | communication with an outside entity. | I know my Tracphone is off when I turn it off because the charge will last for months and it can't get calls. It could certainly have some kind of beacon in it, but that seems very unlikely. It only cost $10. I don't know about Android and iPhone, but I'm guessing that people think off means the screen is black because few people actually turn them off. It should be simple enough to test, if you can stand not to use your phone: Power it off. How long does the battery last? Can it receive calls? If it's actually off the battery should last and it won't get calls. If it's active it has to ping the network continually to receive calls. I have done exactly that: turned the power off completely. The last time was when I was driving to Manitoba to deal with a family matter. I charged the iPhone up to 100% and turned it off, as I don't answer the phone when I'm driving. When I got to Manitoba and turned it back on, 72 hours later, it still had 100% charge. I put a local SIM card (obtained in Toronto while en route) into it and used it while I was in Manitoba and took the SIM card out before I left, replacing it with my normal SIM card. Powered the phone down again, after charging to 100%. It was still at 100% when I got home. If there's a remote spy on that iPhone, it can do its job without drawing power. Unfortunately, these news reports rarely tell us facts. Just gossip. The NYT says 75 companies are spying. Which companies? Which apps? They had to find out for their article, but they won't tell us because the NYT supports business and naming names would rock the boat. So they just report gossip that people will later forget. Similarly, how does the FBI spy? The people who talked to KTRE must know, but they've left out the actual facts. The article author is mixing up facts. I suspect the author actually didn't understand the topic. "Even when it's off!" If you just have the phone on standby, that is you clicked on the power button and the screen blacked out, then yes then can track you. If you shut it completely all the way down, on Apple devices that usually means you must hold the power button down for a few seconds and then swipe to shut down when the 'are you sure?' screen comes up, then no they can't track you. There's nothing on. "Any recently manufactured phone is a tracking device!" Yes. We knew that. People use GPS. Years ago Apple was caught storing plain text files on iPhones, documenting weeks of location data. The news would be how the FBI is getting the data. Malware? Stingray fake cell towers? There may be enough Stingrays in use that everyone is tracked by the the FBI, local police, Chinese hackers, and Google research. Who knows? But the news media are not telling us the actual facts. They probably have no one on staff who can even understand the facts. |
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In article , Wolf K
wrote: In article , Mayayana wrote: I think it would be more realistic to look at it the other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's spying on you. that would be a very bad assumption. What self-loathing, greedy businessman is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying? not everyone is a self-loathing greedy businessman. there are people and companies in this world that *do* respect the privacy of their users. Er, yeah, those would be the ones not in the class specified by "self-loathing, greedy". except that maya thinks they're all like that. |
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On 12/12/2018 13:17, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 23:09:27 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: On 11/12/2018 22:51, nospam wrote: In article , David B. wrote: On 11/12/2018 18:41, default wrote, amonst other things, ... Someday you may learn how wrong you are. I take the paranoid viewpoint and only discover that things are worse than I thought they were. When money is involved veracity is elusive. I've really enjoyed your post! :-) It's rather satisfying to see the bull****ter called 'nospam' put firmly in his place! Thank you! if you understood even a tiny fraction of was being discussed, you would realize he has not done that at all. You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I could not delete them. I complained to the American manufacturer and a few weeks later a replacement pad was posted to us from China! It has a switch to disable the adverts. I had to stick a pin through a hole to find the switch. Steve I'm saddened to learn that you had such a problem but pleased to hear that it was satifactorily resolved. It's nice to have a few words of support! Thanks, Steve. :-) -- Regards, David B. |
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On 12/12/2018 13:30, nospam wrote:
In article , David B. wrote: You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. they aren't. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'. out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found *something* by now. That ain't necessarily so! [song] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5O_NUhrK0 bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false. I'm always pleased when such matters are investigated. Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet group. also false. Not at all. You have provided absolutely *NO* credentials so have absolutely no credence at all. Sorry. and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger troll than you already are. I simply wanted fellow Apple device users to be made aware of your fallibility. -- Regards, David B. |
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:21 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: "Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote | You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be | 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not | afterwards by hacking. | | I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and | kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I think it would be more realistic to look at it the other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's spying on you. What self-loathing, greedy businessman is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying? Think of the cell phone as a surveillance device that can be used to make phone calls. TV spying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on Ford builds data center to store car data: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...onnected_cars/ Target spying example of the problem with loyalty cards and giving information to retailers: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...er-father-did/ General e-spying: https://www.alternet.org/story/15562... _your_privacy More stuff is coming, like Samsung's idiotic frig with a TV screen to see what's inside. Thermostats. door locks. Surveillance cameras. Baby monitors. Anything that uses the Internet (usually for frivolous reasons) is probably going to be spyware, because that's an almost effortless extra business for manufacturers. They sell you a door lock for $100 that you can open over the Internet with your iPhone. (Keys are so hard to keep track of, aren't they?) Then they can make extra money by tracking when you're home or not and selling that to data miners. They don't need to come up with a use for the data. They can just sell it to people who do have a use. Of course, cellphones are by far the worst, because they act as tracking collars and they're infested with adware/spyware apps. But if you can't read a map or want discounts from Amazon at Whole Foods, then you have to make a choice: Privacy or e-services. |
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On 2018-12-12 8:30 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , David B. wrote: You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. they aren't. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'. out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found *something* by now. Liar: https://www.techworm.net/2015/09/malware-found-pre-installed-on-xiaomi-huawei-lenovo-smartphones.html -- SilverSlimer Free software advocate Minds: @silverslimer |
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In article , David B.
wrote: You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not afterwards by hacking. they aren't. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'. out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found *something* by now. That ain't necessarily so! [song] it is so. there is *no* evidence that manufacturers are installing spy chips on phones or anything else. zero. and even if that were to happen (which it has not), there's no way to force a particular suspect to use a tainted phone. https://www. irrelevant spam link. bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false. I'm always pleased when such matters are investigated. bull****. you deliberately *ignore* facts solely so you can troll. Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet group. also false. Not at all. You have provided absolutely *NO* credentials so have absolutely no credence at all. Sorry. not only is that completely false, but you're not one to talk about credentials. you have *none* and are not in a position to decide that for others. and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger troll than you already are. I simply wanted fellow Apple device users to be made aware of your fallibility. in other words, it's yet another attack (it's all you do), which confirms that you're trolling. |
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