Windows Update taking a long time

What's the most likely cause, other than the Windows 10 promotion?


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What's the most likely cause, other than the Windows 10 promotion?

Kernel updates are causing Windows Update to get stuck in a loop that
takes a long time to get past. If you search for 'June rollup' or 'July
rollup', it will install a newer version that fixes the issue. Several
threads online about this:
https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r30...es-taking-too-
long
http://preview.tinyurl.com/j3upq22

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:41:04 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

What's the most likely cause, other than the Windows 10 promotion?

Where have you been the last few months?

Try this:
http://wu.krelay.de/en/

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Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

What's the most likely cause, other than the Windows 10 promotion?

It has nothing to do with the promotion.

The problem exists on WinXP, Vista, and Win7. So the
problem has existed for a long time.

Since there is nothing in Windows Update that
you need, turn it off.

Paul

.... I am Locutus of Borg, Paul, resistance is futile ...
It has nothing to do with the promotion.

Yeah, yeah, for years worked just fine, until Windows 10 came out, than
suddenly slow downs...

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Vladimir Vu�ićević wrote:
... I am Locutus of Borg, Paul, resistance is futile ...
It has nothing to do with the promotion.

Yeah, yeah, for years worked just fine, until Windows 10 came out, than
suddenly slow downs...


My thoughts exactly, especially now that the promotion is over, updates
come as quickly as before. I haven't tried a new install.

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Vladimir Vu�ićević wrote:
... I am Locutus of Borg, Paul, resistance is futile ...
It has nothing to do with the promotion.

Yeah, yeah, for years worked just fine, until Windows 10 came out, than
suddenly slow downs...


You did not experience the exponentially increasing
Windows Update delay in WinXP ? It was there. And
a mid-level Microsoft manager even promised to fix
it, and of course, he did not. I know, because I
used to go through this stuff, month after month.

The problem is the manifest file on the Microsoft
server, needing to be cleaned up. When Microsoft
wants to "bandaid" the problem, they make a one-time
optimization, to reduce the delay. Then, as each
month passes, the problems build up in the manifest,
as does the delay.

In the WinXP era, it was sufficient to install the
latest Cumulative Update for Internet Explorer, to
reduce the Windows Update delay. This tells you that
the supersedence chain for IE was causing the delay.
Once you installed the Cumulative for IE manually
(didn't matter what version, even IE6 would do), you
could then go to Windows Update and see a short delay.

On Windows 7, you have to use the latest version of
IE11, as well as the latest Cumulative Update, and
the improvement in delay time drops from 80 minutes to
50 minutes. That tells me that other packages,
their supersedence calculation also uses excessive
CPU time.

Vista users (there aren't many), occasionally pop up
complaining about the problem. So the problem is there
too.

You guys are making too big a deal about '608. I'm not
convinced it fixed a damn thing. An actual fix, was the
WU-specific patch that reduced memory consumption to
20% of what was being used previously. IT administrators
asked for that patch, because large companies were
seeing Win7 machines with 2GB of RAM, use all the RAM
for wuauserv. Which meant the employees couldn't really
use the computer, for an hour at a time. They were, to
quote a phrase, "mad as hell". Because the IT staff
get the abuse, for not being able to fix it themselves.

I did a clean install, applied one of the Cumulative
updates that promised to fix the problem, and yes,
the delay was reduced to 4 minutes. Then, I looked
inside the package (with 7ZIP), and there was *no* copy of
win32k.sys in it. (One of the theories, is that
win32k.sys code is partially responsible for the
symptoms.) This is one of the reason I feel
we're not getting a real fix here, and they're
just modifying the manifest temporarily to shut
us up.

The changes coming in October, will change how
Windows 7 gets updates. Turn off your Windows Update
before October Patch Tuesday, until enough is
known about what is being delivered in the updates.
You may not like it! Be careful in October.

Paul

"Z" wrote in message ...
now that the promotion is over, updates come as quickly as before.

Not the case in my experience. My Windows 7 PC used to update quickly and
then over the past few months it's slowed down - but even the update of
early this week (*after* the free Windows 10 upgrade had expired) was as
slow.

The symptom is that the PC identifies which updates it needs fairly quickly,
but then when you say "Install this selection of updates" it sits there for
tens of minutes on 0% / 0 MB downloaded. Every time I've tried it, it's
suddenly downloaded and installed the updates after I've left it to its own
devices.

Maybe the process has become shy and won't perform while it's being watched,
but if you get on with something else or leave the PC overnight, it will
then start downloading :-)

Once the actual downloads start, then actual transfer and installation seems
to complete quickly: the one early this week had been sitting on 0% for
about an hour, as I kept flipping back to look at the window in between
doing other things. Then five minutes later all the updates (amounting to
about 150 MB) had downloaded and installed, and the PC was asking for
permission to reboot.

In Paul wrote:

Since there is nothing in Windows Update that
you need, turn it off.

Funny!

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:50:22 -0400, Paul wrote:

Since there is nothing in Windows Update that
you need, turn it off.

And disconnect your computer from the Internet. You forgot about that!
;-)

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s|b wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:50:22 -0400, Paul wrote:

Since there is nothing in Windows Update that
you need, turn it off.

And disconnect your computer from the Internet. You forgot about that!
;-)


Well, look at it this way. Microsoft has done such
a fine job with Win7 Windows Update, that practically
none of the "naive" users are aware their machine
isn't patched and up to date.

You'd just be one of those people.

I've turned mine off.

And the indicators are, when the new patch delivery
scheme comes in October or November, there will be
yet another reason to turn it off. A Windows 10
delivery system, we don't need. I don't know the
details, but my suspicion is, you'll have little
choice in the matter. Accept no patches or accept
all patches. No in between option. So at that point,
to control the Microsoft business interests from competing
with my interest, *it stays off*.

I don't see any humor in their "extended support" being
treated like this, when it was supposed to last until 2020.
I entered a contract with the company, for a service to
be delivered in a certain way, until 2020. It would be
like if the airline decided it was OK to strap me to the
wing, instead of fly inside the cabin. Yes, I got to my
destination, but my hair is a mess. Why is my Windows 7
being strapped to the wing ?

Paul

On 16/09/2016 10:41 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

What's the most likely cause, other than the Windows 10 promotion?


Try this


http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...6b36d0c?auth=1

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Paul wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

What's the most likely cause, other than the Windows 10 promotion?

It has nothing to do with the promotion.

The problem exists on WinXP, Vista, and Win7. So the
problem has existed for a long time.

Since there is nothing in Windows Update that
you need, turn it off.

Paul

I agree. I have looked at every w7 update for years and finally
turned w7 update off a few months ago.
In that time I installed maybe 10 out of thousands.
I don't care if Somalia did away with daylight savings time.
I don't care if Azerbaijan has a new currency symbol.
The fixes for arcane security issues are worthless to me, especially
the ones where someone has to be sitting at my computer to hack into it.
The update roll-ups scare me. I don't want unknown installed
telemetry reporting to the MS Homeworld.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:14:23 -0400, Paul
wrote:

s|b wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:50:22 -0400, Paul wrote:

Since there is nothing in Windows Update that
you need, turn it off.

And disconnect your computer from the Internet. You forgot about that!
;-)


Well, look at it this way. Microsoft has done such
a fine job with Win7 Windows Update, that practically
none of the "naive" users are aware their machine
isn't patched and up to date.

You'd just be one of those people.

I've turned mine off.

And the indicators are, when the new patch delivery
scheme comes in October or November, there will be
yet another reason to turn it off. A Windows 10
delivery system, we don't need. I don't know the
details, but my suspicion is, you'll have little
choice in the matter. Accept no patches or accept
all patches. No in between option. So at that point,
to control the Microsoft business interests from competing
with my interest, *it stays off*.

I don't see any humor in their "extended support" being
treated like this, when it was supposed to last until 2020.
I entered a contract with the company, for a service to
be delivered in a certain way, until 2020. It would be
like if the airline decided it was OK to strap me to the
wing, instead of fly inside the cabin. Yes, I got to my
destination, but my hair is a mess. Why is my Windows 7
being strapped to the wing ?

Paul

I turned off Windows Update when they started pushing Windows 10.
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:48:12 +0200, s|b wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:50:22 -0400, Paul wrote:

Since there is nothing in Windows Update that
you need, turn it off.

And disconnect your computer from the Internet. You forgot about that!
;-)

It's easy to poke fun, but Paul makes a valid point. I turned off
Windows Update in disgust at Microsoft's bad faith in perverting
security updates. I believed then, and I do now, that Microsoft is
the largest menace to the security and function of my computer.

And there's a significant chance that October's changes will make
things worse.

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