Windows Updates is offering MS Office 2007 updates - but I have Office2000 installed (?)

"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
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Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because
they are very unlikely to find it any place else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've
GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the web...
any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for Office
2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we will believe
you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter
key. Very easy.

Easy? Your idea of easy and mine are totally different. Neither the OP
nor I have the time to weed through 387 hits. I always knew you always
waste my time. But I didn't know that you also waste other's time
as well.

Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update".
There have not been automatic updates available from Office
Update
site for a few years, and they were never available from Windows
Update. Automatic updates for supported versions of Office are
only available from Microsoft Update, which is a different
service
than Windows Update. Office Update transferred its updating to
Microsoft Update some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for
Office 2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how
that
works except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I too
have seen. And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done
through Windows Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office updates
can be had through the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any
version, that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows
Update did not include Office products or updates.... Office was
always kept separate until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97
updates from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they were
never there. And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but Wikipedia's
memory says the same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office
97
updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_upda...office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you
don't
know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be, right Glen?

Because they are incorrect. Wikipedia and Ehow are your go-to
sources? The Wikipedia page says nothing about Office Updates being
available via Windows Update service. Ehow is wrong.

Both Wikipedia and Ehow allow people to correct their content. If you
feel they are in error, feel free to correct them, no big deal.
Microsoft is also sometimes wrong, but Microsoft has no means for
somebody to correct their errors.

Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office where
there were updates listed among the Office downloads available, in an
area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I believe.... plus an
Office 97 Version Checker tool you could download and run to
determine
if you had the necessary prerequisites for a particular service pack.
You searched and downloaded manually. Updates were also available
for
Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the Web.

I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support automatic
updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000 and
newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update and get
email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic updates
directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

Office 97 was never updated through www.microsoft.com/office for one.
And I am looking at my Office 2000 CD and it says
www.microsoft.com/office right on the jewel box. And Wikipedia says
the
exact same thing.

How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you used
them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's components,
including IE/OE.

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all of
the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore. But I do
recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed Office 97.
And
Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

Geez, you're just sad. You think finding updates on the MSFT download
site is too hard. You can't operate Windows or Office without constant
problems. You can't use a search engine well enough to find references
to Office Update prior to 2000. Office 97 updates were downloaded from
www.microsoft.com/office. I don't really care if you want to believe it
or not. Did you ever even download updates for Office 97?

Here is just one reference, from Feb. 1998 when Office 97 was the latest
version, of how updates and extras were made available starting at that
time, through www.microsoft.com/office.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...+office+update

When you learn how to use a search engine, you can find the info
yourself instead of calling people names and letting us do your homework
for you. I've wasted too much time answering your ridiculous statements
because you're too lazy to do your own research.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like
you still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push
our software to the limits.

Apparently, you missed it where I said I supported hundreds of
Office 97 users. Developers and salesmen who pushed it to the
limits every day. They could break things even worse than you could.

Some people has problems, usually with everything they touched. Most
had no problems. Guess which category you fall into?

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6129_102...ce-in-word-97/

Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a Paradox
ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make Access work
properly with Paradox database files under any version of Office.

http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...XP-(Off-97-SR1)

Did you even bother to read that? It's an unspecific unsupported
rant about an old version without the latest Service Pack. You'd
have to be an idiot to draw any conclusion from that, or even
mention it.

In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
glee typed on Fri, 18 May 2012 03:53:55 -0400:
replies inline, below...

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
snip
Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the
web... any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for
Office 2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we
will believe you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter
key. Very easy.

Easy? Your idea of easy and mine are totally different. Neither the
OP nor I have the time to weed through 387 hits. I always knew you
always waste my time. But I didn't know that you also waste other's
time as well.

Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update".
There have not been automatic updates available from Office
Update site for a few years, and they were never available from
Windows Update. Automatic updates for supported versions of
Office are only available from Microsoft Update, which is a
different service than Windows Update. Office Update transferred
its updating to Microsoft Update some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for
Office 2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how
that works except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which I
too have seen. And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were done
through Windows Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office
updates can be had through the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any
version, that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97. Windows
Update did not include Office products or updates.... Office was
always kept separate until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97
updates from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they were
never there. And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but
Wikipedia's memory says the same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office
97 updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_upda...office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you
don't know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be, right
Glen?

Because they are incorrect. Wikipedia and Ehow are your go-to
sources? The Wikipedia page says nothing about Office Updates being
available via Windows Update service. Ehow is wrong.

Both Wikipedia and Ehow allow people to correct their content. If you
feel they are in error, feel free to correct them, no big deal.
Microsoft is also sometimes wrong, but Microsoft has no means for
somebody to correct their errors.

Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office
where there were updates listed among the Office downloads
available, in an area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I
believe.... plus an Office 97 Version Checker tool you could
download and run to determine if you had the necessary prerequisites
for a particular service pack. You searched and downloaded manually.
Updates were also available for Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the
Web.

I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support automatic
updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000
and newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update
and get email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic
updates directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

Office 97 was never updated through www.microsoft.com/office for one.
And I am looking at my Office 2000 CD and it says
www.microsoft.com/office right on the jewel box. And Wikipedia says
the exact same thing.

How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you used
them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's components,
including IE/OE.

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all of
the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore. But I do
recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed Office 97.
And Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

Geez, you're just sad. You think finding updates on the MSFT download
site is too hard. You can't operate Windows or Office without
constant problems.

Really? I am running XP SP2 without any problems whatsoever. I also run
Office 2000 without any problems whatsoever. I ran Windows 3.1 besides a
few flaky drivers without problems. I am running Windows 2000 on a
netbook without problems. And I can go on and on. Any more delusions you
want to tell us about Glen?

You can't use a search engine well enough to find
references to Office Update prior to 2000.

I did Glen, you just forgot and are delusional. But you rejected them
because you say they are wrong.

Office 97 updates were downloaded from www.microsoft.com/office. I
don't really care if you want to believe it or not. Did you ever even
download updates for Office 97? Here is just one reference, from Feb.
1998 when Office 97 was the latest version, of how updates and extras
were made available starting at that time, through
www.microsoft.com/office.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...+office+update

When you learn how to use a search engine, you can find the info
yourself instead of calling people names and letting us do your
homework for you. I've wasted too much time answering your
ridiculous statements because you're too lazy to do your own research.

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see goodies
that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates. Are you really
that incompetent?

Here, let me help your incompetence.

http://web.archive.org/web/199901170...ce/default.htm

This is what www.microsoft.com/office looked like back in 1999. And it
shows a link to Office 97 SR2 and everything else is about up and coming
Office 2000. And the site didn't exist prior to February of 1998. So
where did you get your Office 97 updates from?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like
you still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push
our software to the limits.

Oh, and another thing: how exactly did you "push Office 97 to its
limits" in order to make it "crash all the time"? Please be as specific
as you can. I'm truly curious, because I saw people do the most bizarre
things with Excel and Word, and I never saw it crash all the time.
Maybe once in a blue moon, but "all the time"... never. I used to use
Access extensively, and if it ever crashed, it was something I did with
VBA, not the program itself. Very stable and reliable.

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
goodies that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates.
Are you really that incompetent?

As he mentioned before, that's an old site that's not used any more.
That's why he used the word "WAS". That means, "past tense".

Office 97 updates are still available at

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?q=office

All you have to do is search for Office 97 in the search bar at the top
of the page. Is that really so hard?

In ,
Nil typed:
On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like
you still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push
our software to the limits.

Apparently, you missed it where I said I supported hundreds of
Office 97 users. Developers and salesmen who pushed it to the
limits every day. They could break things even worse than you could.

Apparently you missed kaplinb post:

If you're using Office 97, you have my condolences. It's
unstable, ornery, and lacks all sorts of important features
that appeared in Office 2000. That said, I know many of you
plod along with it, and I know how hard it is to get the bean
counters (and even, surprisingly, the IT folks in some shops)
to get with the system. -- kaplinb

And kaplinb knows and admits that even some IT people don't get it. And
what you don't get Nil is some people like kaplinb and others are light
years ahead. So it is totally understandable why you don't get it.

Some people has problems, usually with everything they touched. Most
had no problems. Guess which category you fall into?

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-6129_102...ce-in-word-97/

You are not very bright Nil! Some people find problems very fast that
many will never find in a thousand years. You confuse dummies with those
that are gifted. I understand if you are not very bright and how that
could be very confusing. No big deal, most don't get it anyway. But
there are many pros who do.

Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a Paradox
ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make Access work
properly with Paradox database files under any version of Office.

http://windowssecrets.com/forums/sho...XP-(Off-97-SR1)

Did you even bother to read that? It's an unspecific unsupported
rant about an old version without the latest Service Pack. You'd
have to be an idiot to draw any conclusion from that, or even
mention it.

Yes I did and kaplinb stated that Office 97 isn't worth using period.
And Bob stated that Office 97 is full of memory leaks and coupled with
Windows 98 with its own memory leaks that Office 97 would crash in a few
hours. Yes that is exactly what I had found as well. Why you couldn't
see this too? Well some people can't find their way out of a wet paper
bag either. Go figure.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

In ,
Nil typed:
On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

That is because I explain this over and over again and dupes like
you still don't get it. And unlike dupes like you, some of us push
our software to the limits.

Oh, and another thing: how exactly did you "push Office 97 to its
limits" in order to make it "crash all the time"? Please be as
specific as you can. I'm truly curious, because I saw people do the
most bizarre things with Excel and Word, and I never saw it crash all
the time. Maybe once in a blue moon, but "all the time"... never. I
used to use Access extensively, and if it ever crashed, it was
something I did with VBA, not the program itself. Very stable and
reliable.

I found the same thing that Bob had found. Both Office 97 and Windows 98
had memory leaks and sooner or later Office 97 would crash. Office 97
coupled with Windows 2000 or later might be ok, since Windows 2000 and
later didn't have that System Resource limit that Windows 98 did. So the
memory leaks in Office 97 didn't really mean much as all it did is to
eat more VM and it probably could stay stable.

I don't remember much about Office 97 and Windows 2000. As when I was
running Windows 2000 (thank goodness) I was also quickly running Office
2000 (also thank goodness) which worked well together. Stable as a rock
for me. Later Windows versions like XP, Windows 7 and 8, Office 2000
was/is still stable. And so far it does everything that I need that I
see no reason to go to a later version of Office. Office 2003 was/is a
bit tempting though, but not worth the price for me.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

And kaplinb knows and admits that even some IT people don't get
it. And what you don't get Nil is some people like kaplinb and
others are light years ahead. So it is totally understandable why
you don't get it.

Who is this "kaplinb" and why do you put so much stock in his
unsupported, unspecific rant? Do you know him personally, or have some
insight as to what, specifically, he's referring to?

You are not very bright Nil! Some people find problems very fast
that many will never find in a thousand years. You confuse dummies
with those that are gifted. I understand if you are not very
bright and how that could be very confusing. No big deal, most
don't get it anyway. But there are many pros who do.

Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a
Paradox ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make
Access work properly with Paradox database files under any
version of Office.

So, you decline to address the point that their problem was with the
ODBC driver, and not Office. OK, I though you would.

Yes I did and kaplinb stated that Office 97 isn't worth using
period. And Bob stated that Office 97 is full of memory leaks and
coupled with Windows 98 with its own memory leaks that Office 97
would crash in a few hours. Yes that is exactly what I had found
as well. Why you couldn't see this too? Well some people can't
find their way out of a wet paper bag either. Go figure.

So, you decline to address the point that this anonymous person is
ranting about an old, unpatched version of Office, running on another
platform than the one under discussion. OK, I thought you would.

In ,
Nil typed:
On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
goodies that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates.
Are you really that incompetent?

As he mentioned before, that's an old site that's not used any more.
That's why he used the word "WAS". That means, "past tense".

Office 97 updates are still available at

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?q=office

All you have to do is search for Office 97 in the search bar at the
top of the page. Is that really so hard?

Well I never stated that Office 97 updates are not available. Although
Glen made it sound like Office 97 updates could always be found at
www.microsoft.com/office. But that wasn't true since Office 97 was
around long before that site ever existed.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

"BillW50" wrote in message
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glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
glee typed on Fri, 18 May 2012 03:53:55 -0400:
replies inline, below...

"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
snip
Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the
web... any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for
Office 2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we
will believe you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter
key. Very easy.

Easy? Your idea of easy and mine are totally different. Neither the
OP nor I have the time to weed through 387 hits. I always knew you
always waste my time. But I didn't know that you also waste other's
time as well.

Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to
Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At
NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update".
There have not been automatic updates available from Office
Update site for a few years, and they were never available from
Windows Update. Automatic updates for supported versions of
Office are only available from Microsoft Update, which is a
different service than Windows Update. Office Update
transferred
its updating to Microsoft Update some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for
Office 2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how
that works except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which
I
too have seen. And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were
done
through Windows Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office
updates can be had through the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any
version, that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97.
Windows
Update did not include Office products or updates.... Office was
always kept separate until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97
updates from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they
were
never there. And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but
Wikipedia's memory says the same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office
97 updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_upda...office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you
don't know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be,
right
Glen?

Because they are incorrect. Wikipedia and Ehow are your go-to
sources? The Wikipedia page says nothing about Office Updates being
available via Windows Update service. Ehow is wrong.

Both Wikipedia and Ehow allow people to correct their content. If
you
feel they are in error, feel free to correct them, no big deal.
Microsoft is also sometimes wrong, but Microsoft has no means for
somebody to correct their errors.

Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office
where there were updates listed among the Office downloads
available, in an area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I
believe.... plus an Office 97 Version Checker tool you could
download and run to determine if you had the necessary
prerequisites
for a particular service pack. You searched and downloaded
manually.
Updates were also available for Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the
Web.

I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support
automatic
updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000
and newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update
and get email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic
updates directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

Office 97 was never updated through www.microsoft.com/office for
one.
And I am looking at my Office 2000 CD and it says
www.microsoft.com/office right on the jewel box. And Wikipedia says
the exact same thing.

How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you
used
them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's
components,
including IE/OE.

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all
of
the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore. But I
do
recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed Office 97.
And Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

Geez, you're just sad. You think finding updates on the MSFT
download
site is too hard. You can't operate Windows or Office without
constant problems.

Really? I am running XP SP2 without any problems whatsoever. I also
run
Office 2000 without any problems whatsoever. I ran Windows 3.1 besides
a
few flaky drivers without problems. I am running Windows 2000 on a
netbook without problems. And I can go on and on. Any more delusions
you
want to tell us about Glen?

You can't use a search engine well enough to find
references to Office Update prior to 2000.

I did Glen, you just forgot and are delusional. But you rejected them
because you say they are wrong.

Office 97 updates were downloaded from www.microsoft.com/office. I
don't really care if you want to believe it or not. Did you ever even
download updates for Office 97? Here is just one reference, from Feb.
1998 when Office 97 was the latest version, of how updates and extras
were made available starting at that time, through
www.microsoft.com/office.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...+office+update

When you learn how to use a search engine, you can find the info
yourself instead of calling people names and letting us do your
homework for you. I've wasted too much time answering your
ridiculous statements because you're too lazy to do your own
research.

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
goodies
that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates. Are you
really
that incompetent?

Here, let me help your incompetence.

http://web.archive.org/web/199901170...ce/default.htm

This is what www.microsoft.com/office looked like back in 1999. And it
shows a link to Office 97 SR2 and everything else is about up and
coming
Office 2000. And the site didn't exist prior to February of 1998. So
where did you get your Office 97 updates from?


I really can't accept that you are as stupid as you are making yourself
out to be. Your screenshot from the web archive (missing all the
graphics) does not show anything but the "News" page. The Office
downloads and updates were via the links right on that page that even
you should be able to see.... the ones that say "Downloads and More...",
for example. The "Office 97" link for ordering Office 97 is on the
right side.

First you claimed there was NO Office Update site prior to Office 2000,
then confronted about that misinformation, you claim that it DID exist
but there were no updates.... so it was an Update site with no updates?
Seriously, you are going to propose that? Did you even read the info at
the link I gave you? It was copied and pasted into the reply posted
there, directly from the Office web site in 1998. It clearly states:
"You'll find previously posted Free Stuff throughout this new site, all
now under the Update umbrella. This has been part of the re-design and
re-structuring of the entire Office site...". Apparently you can't
understand that word, UPDATE, repeated throughout the copy. "All it
takes is one registration, which you can complete by linking to
http://www.microsoft.com/office/update1.asp"... there's that word
again... UPDATE.

I wonder if you ever even got updates for Office 97... you're just
arguing with no first-hand experience of the site at that time. To go
back to your original statement in this thread regarding Office updates,
you claim Office updates prior to Office 2000 came from Windows Update.
That is simply not true. Rant on, you lose more credibility with each
post you make.

As for your many issues with software, you yourself admitted them in
your reply to Nil a little while ago, among other places. As I said,
you're just sad.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
Nil typed:
On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
goodies that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates.
Are you really that incompetent?

As he mentioned before, that's an old site that's not used any more.
That's why he used the word "WAS". That means, "past tense".

Office 97 updates are still available at

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?q=office

All you have to do is search for Office 97 in the search bar at the
top of the page. Is that really so hard?

Well I never stated that Office 97 updates are not available. Although
Glen made it sound like Office 97 updates could always be found at
www.microsoft.com/office. But that wasn't true since Office 97 was
around long before that site ever existed.

Before the Office Update site existed by that name, there was still a
separate Office support and download page with updates, as was already
mentioned in the link I gave earlier today. The ONLY thing on the
Windows Update site Office was a LINK in the corner of the main page
that took you to the separate Office update pages at Microsoft.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

In ,
Nil typed:
On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

And kaplinb knows and admits that even some IT people don't get
it. And what you don't get Nil is some people like kaplinb and
others are light years ahead. So it is totally understandable why
you don't get it.

Who is this "kaplinb" and why do you put so much stock in his
unsupported, unspecific rant? Do you know him personally, or have some
insight as to what, specifically, he's referring to?

No I don't know him from Adam, but I know what they are talking about. I
also know many IT people. Some are barely brighter than an average user
and a few are really knowledgeable.

You are not very bright Nil! Some people find problems very fast
that many will never find in a thousand years. You confuse dummies
with those that are gifted. I understand if you are not very
bright and how that could be very confusing. No big deal, most
don't get it anyway. But there are many pros who do.

Did you even bother to read that? It's about an issue with a
Paradox ODBC driver, not Office 97. I've never been able to make
Access work properly with Paradox database files under any
version of Office.

So, you decline to address the point that their problem was with the
ODBC driver, and not Office. OK, I though you would.

The ODBC driver wasn't important, but the general comments about Office
97 were. Although that flew right over your head.

Yes I did and kaplinb stated that Office 97 isn't worth using
period. And Bob stated that Office 97 is full of memory leaks and
coupled with Windows 98 with its own memory leaks that Office 97
would crash in a few hours. Yes that is exactly what I had found
as well. Why you couldn't see this too? Well some people can't
find their way out of a wet paper bag either. Go figure.

So, you decline to address the point that this anonymous person is
ranting about an old, unpatched version of Office, running on another
platform than the one under discussion. OK, I thought you would.

You still don't get it. Office 97 has too many memory leaks. Windows 98
itself also has memory leaks. Both when combined means instability
problems. And that is exactly what I had found too. I don't remember if
I ever ran Office 2000 under Windows 98 or if I ever ran Office 97 under
Windows 2000. If I did it was for just a brief period of time and was
forgotten. I can tell you though that Office 97 coupled with Windows 98
was a disaster. And I do remember that Office 97 and Windows 95 was even
worse.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP2

On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

The ODBC driver wasn't important, but the general comments about
Office 97 were. Although that flew right over your head.

The ODBC driver is precisely the subject of that conversation you
cited. That apparently flew over your head.

You still don't get it. Office 97 has too many memory leaks.
Windows 98 itself also has memory leaks. Both when combined means
instability problems. And that is exactly what I had found too. I
don't remember if I ever ran Office 2000 under Windows 98 or if I
ever ran Office 97 under Windows 2000. If I did it was for just a
brief period of time and was forgotten. I can tell you though that
Office 97 coupled with Windows 98 was a disaster. And I do
remember that Office 97 and Windows 95 was even worse.

I must assume you never updated Office 97 to SR-2, which fixed most
problems. Too bad you had to suffer so unnecessarily.

"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
Nil typed:
On 02 Jun 2012, "BillW50" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
goodies that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates.
Are you really that incompetent?

As he mentioned before, that's an old site that's not used any more.
That's why he used the word "WAS". That means, "past tense".

Office 97 updates are still available at

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?q=office

All you have to do is search for Office 97 in the search bar at the
top of the page. Is that really so hard?

Well I never stated that Office 97 updates are not available. Although
Glen made it sound like Office 97 updates could always be found at
www.microsoft.com/office. But that wasn't true since Office 97 was
around long before that site ever existed.

That site, www.microsoft.com/office was already in operation in 1997...
it was in operation through most of the life of Office 97. Here's just
a couple of the references to downloading an Office 97 service pack from
that site at that time:

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...7+service+pack

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....7+service+pack

Gee, wonder how they referenced the site if it didn't exist.... as I
said, you are just ranting.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
glee typed:
"BillW50" wrote in message
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In ,
glee typed on Fri, 18 May 2012 03:53:55 -0400:
replies inline, below...

"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 5/17/2012 3:02 PM, glee wrote:
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Oh and you *want* to tell him the same line that everybody else
told him? And how does that help him Glen? I am waiting! I am
trying to help them by telling them what they need to update
Office 2000 because they are very unlikely to find it any place
else except from me.

Bwahahahaha! No one but you can supply that simple information?
You've GOT to be joking! It's readily available info all over the
web... any search engine will bring you to the info in seconds.

Go for it Glen. Show us where all of the updates you need for
Office 2000 SR1 is in one simple list. If you can prove it, we
will believe you. But in any case, we are calling your bluff!

Simple... go to http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/search.aspx
Type Office 2000 in the Search box at the top, and press the Enter
key. Very easy.

Easy? Your idea of easy and mine are totally different. Neither the
OP nor I have the time to weed through 387 hits. I always knew you
always waste my time. But I didn't know that you also waste other's
time as well.

Just for clarity, your reference to Windows Update and to
Office
Update sites for Office updates of any kind, is incorrect. At
NO
time could you ever get Office Updates from "Windows Update".
There have not been automatic updates available from Office
Update site for a few years, and they were never available from
Windows Update. Automatic updates for supported versions of
Office are only available from Microsoft Update, which is a
different service than Windows Update. Office Update
transferred
its updating to Microsoft Update some time ago. FYI....

For starters I can only speak about the Office Update site for
Office 2000. I don't have 2003 or later so I wouldn't know how
that works except the part about 2007 Compatibility Pack, which
I
too have seen. And prior to Office 2000, Office updates were
done
through Windows Update. And since 2005, Windows and Office
updates can be had through the single Microsoft Update site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_Update

Office Updates were never done through Windows Update for any
version, that I have seen, going back to office 95 and 97.
Windows
Update did not include Office products or updates.... Office was
always kept separate until the advent of Microsoft Update.

Really, refresh my memory where we got Office 95 and Office 97
updates from? And Office Update is the wrong answer since they
were
never there. And while my memory isn't 100% perfect, but
Wikipedia's memory says the same thing.

Also odd, this web site says to go to Windows Update to get Office
97 updates:

http://www.ehow.com/how_6396430_upda...office-97.html

Now why on earth would they say that Glen? Could it be that you
don't know what you are talking about? Naw, that couldn't be,
right
Glen?

Because they are incorrect. Wikipedia and Ehow are your go-to
sources? The Wikipedia page says nothing about Office Updates being
available via Windows Update service. Ehow is wrong.

Both Wikipedia and Ehow allow people to correct their content. If
you
feel they are in error, feel free to correct them, no big deal.
Microsoft is also sometimes wrong, but Microsoft has no means for
somebody to correct their errors.

Office Updates prior to 1998 came from www.microsoft.com/office
where there were updates listed among the Office downloads
available, in an area called Free Stuff and Software Library, I
believe.... plus an Office 97 Version Checker tool you could
download and run to determine if you had the necessary
prerequisites
for a particular service pack. You searched and downloaded
manually.
Updates were also available for Office 97 on Microsoft Tools on the
Web.

I believe it was in 1998 sometime, the site was changed to
http://officeupdate.microsoft.com. It did not yet support
automatic
updates, so you had to find the updates yourself till they added a
scanner to do it for you on the site that worked with Office 2000
and newer. You could, however, become a member of Office Update
and get email notifications of new add-ins and updates. Automatic
updates directly on your computer, for Office, came later.

Office 97 was never updated through www.microsoft.com/office for
one.
And I am looking at my Office 2000 CD and it says
www.microsoft.com/office right on the jewel box. And Wikipedia says
the exact same thing.

How did YOU get updates for Office 95 and 97, Bill? Surely you
used
them and got updates, no? I know you didn't get them via Windows
Update, because it only had updates for Windows and it's
components,
including IE/OE.

I never had Office 95 and I hated Office 97 because it crashed all
of
the time. And I don't recall how I update Office 97 anymore. But I
do
recall the update called Office 2000 that actually fixed Office 97.
And Office 2000 was stable and Office 97 was not.

Geez, you're just sad. You think finding updates on the MSFT
download
site is too hard. You can't operate Windows or Office without
constant problems.

Really? I am running XP SP2 without any problems whatsoever. I also
run
Office 2000 without any problems whatsoever. I ran Windows 3.1 besides
a
few flaky drivers without problems. I am running Windows 2000 on a
netbook without problems. And I can go on and on. Any more delusions
you
want to tell us about Glen?

You can't use a search engine well enough to find
references to Office Update prior to 2000.

I did Glen, you just forgot and are delusional. But you rejected them
because you say they are wrong.

Office 97 updates were downloaded from www.microsoft.com/office. I
don't really care if you want to believe it or not. Did you ever even
download updates for Office 97? Here is just one reference, from Feb.
1998 when Office 97 was the latest version, of how updates and extras
were made available starting at that time, through
www.microsoft.com/office.

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...+office+update

When you learn how to use a search engine, you can find the info
yourself instead of calling people names and letting us do your
homework for you. I've wasted too much time answering your
ridiculous statements because you're too lazy to do your own
research.

Where does it say Office 97 updates are found at
www.microsoft.com/office at the link you had posted, Glen? I see
goodies
that Office 97 users can use, but nothing about updates. Are you
really
that incompetent?

Here, let me help your incompetence.

http://web.archive.org/web/199901170...ce/default.htm

This is what www.microsoft.com/office looked like back in 1999. And it
shows a link to Office 97 SR2 and everything else is about up and
coming
Office 2000. And the site didn't exist prior to February of 1998. So
where did you get your Office 97 updates from?


Didn't exist prior to Feb 1998? LOL.... silly man.
www.microsoft.com/office was already in operation in 1997... it was in
operation through most if not all of the life of Office 97. Here's just
a couple of the references to downloading an Office 97 service pack from
that site at that time:

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...7+service+pack

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....7+service+pack

Still want to make up your own facts instead of dealing with the
reality? Tell me, how was the site being referenced to in posts in
mid-1997 if it didn't exist?
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+