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Win 7 Pro all up to date.
Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? |
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On 9/3/2018 6:51 PM, EIEIO wrote:
Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? This might be a system file that is protected. What is the existing name of the file? What is the path to it? -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com Too often, Twitter is a source of verbal vomit. Examples include Donald Trump, Roseanne Barr, and Elon Musk. |
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EIEIO wrote:
Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? What is it with this game of hide and seek ? Don't we deserve to know the filename, so we can experiment with a *similar* setup here ? I bet the OS would not like it, if I tried to rename the operating system kernel file. Hey, that sounds like fun... Go to your home directory, to some files you own there, and rename one of those. See if it works. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
EIEIO wrote: Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? What is it with this game of hide and seek ? Don't we deserve to know the filename, so we can experiment with a *similar* setup here ? I bet the OS would not like it, if I tried to rename the operating system kernel file. Hey, that sounds like fun... Go to your home directory, to some files you own there, and rename one of those. See if it works. Paul Or ANY file that is currently in use by the system, or an open application, I would think. |
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I am Admin on this PC with a logon pwd. No other users. 10 files of various simple names in a folder in Favorites. So then I copied the files to a folder C:\Stuff Same problem, cannot rename. No error message. Files are NOT read only or anything else. Even if there were hidden characters in the filename why not allow rename ? I have renamed filenames with Chinese symbols no problem. These have simple text. EIEIO wrote: Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? |
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EIEIO wrote:
I am Admin on this PC with a logon pwd. No other users. 10 files of various simple names in a folder in Favorites. So then I copied the files to a folder C:\Stuff Same problem, cannot rename. No error message. Files are NOT read only or anything else. Even if there were hidden characters in the filename why not allow rename ? I have renamed filenames with Chinese symbols no problem. These have simple text. First, a reference link. This URL is the current version of the canonical page on the topic of file naming. It's a start at a description, but there are still some topics it leaves to the imagination. In some cases, a person seeing the filename you've got, will point you to the "chapter and verse" in here, on what the name violates. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win.../naming-a-file It's my suspicion, that our web browsers are letting us down, with functions such as "Save As" "Web Page complete", as filenames can be downloaded off the web that don't pass muster. And these later become an issue when renaming or copying or doing anything else. ******* Articles were people get themselves in trouble, are easy enough to find. https://superuser.com/questions/9022...egal-filenames In this method, they use a UNC pathname to the file. The filename in this case is illegal, because it has a space character on the end. This can be hard to see when working on the screen. Even working on the command line, it might be difficult to notice a trailing space. The file system doesn't go around "fixing stuff" either - running CHKDSK wouldn't remove this trailing space. Once the damage it done, it's done. del "\\?\c:\path_to_file_that contains a trailing space.txt " In your case, you'd want "move" to do the rename. The double quotes help delineate the command parameters when you're working in Command Prompt. Here I remove the spurious trailing blank character, as well as changing the name. move "\\?\c:\thisfile " "\\?\c:\thatfile" Not all available utilities will support Unicode or stuff outside the ASCII character set. For example, nfi.exe is a nice utility, but I don't know whether it can deal with every curveball that the file system throws at it. The search tool "everything.exe" can create a listing of all files on a file system, but again, I don't know what support it's got for every possible situation. What I'm suggesting at this point, is an examination of the filename, to be absolutely sure you know what it is you're trying to edit when renaming. The trailing space character is pernicious, because it can cause another file to open instead of the intended one. Lots of techniques you think might work, end up dropping the space character and opening the wrong thing. (So you're not actually working on the file you think you're working on.) Various softwares, in the process of validating what you're doing, can actually prevent fixing stuff. In fact, the trailing space might even account for the behavior you're seeing right now, as Explorer should quietly give up if the rename operation is actually "humping air". There shouldn't be an error, as magically the source filename simply doesn't exist at the moment the rename is attempted. The trailing space gets stripped off first, and Explorer ends up reaching for a file that is not there. ******* You could try "everything.exe" for dumping the filenames. Since the output is comma separated variable (CSV) format, a trailing space character should be visible. http://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/file_lists/ cd /d C:\users\user name\Downloads Everything.exe -create-filelist C_filenames.txt C:\ notepad C_filenames.txt Grab the portable version, and extract everything.exe using 7ZIP or the built-in Explorer ZIP support. http://www.voidtools.com/downloads/ Note that the numeric fields in the C_filenames.txt would include creation and modification dates (in nanoseconds or the like), as well as a size field. That info is if you're curious about what the other numbers in the CSV format file represent. I wrote a little converter once, to convert one of those timestamp fields into something humans can use. ******* Maybe a bulk renaming utility will have the GUI to display the filename for you first ? You don't have to use the utility, just use it as a display program. Even a bulk renamer might not deal with a trailing space character properly, and may fall into the same trap as File Explorer. That's why there is that UNC syntax with the question mark crap. ******* I've had a case on Windows 10, where a file had a name that could not be represented on the screen (I tried to paste it into the newsreader and maybe four characters could not be represented on screen), which would make editing certain "invisible" characters rather difficult. I suspect the characters were actually "valid" in some sense, but would make normal work with the files rather difficult. Even with a font change, I doubt they would be visible. ******* I have a limited capability to make "rubbish" for the file system, using Perl. I'm not good at writing Perl, but I can manage to scrape enough commands together to make some nasty filenames for test purposes. ******* "First you have to stalk your quarry, before you get to eat one" Paul |
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On 09/03/2018 09:51 PM, EIEIO wrote:
Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? Open a command prompt as admin in that folder. Try finding a unique set of characters in the name and use a wild card to delete. "this file is unique.txt " even with a space at the end del *unique* would/should remove it. At least dir *unique* will show that you are not going to select 5 other files, just the one you want. |
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2018 00:16:49 -0400, Paul wrote:
EIEIO wrote:] Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? What is it with this game of hide and seek ? Don't we deserve to know the filename, so we can experiment with a *similar* setup here ? Amen, Paul! Why people expect to have their problem solved yet don't provide relevant details -- it never ceases to amaze me. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Big Al wrote:
On 09/03/2018 09:51 PM, EIEIO wrote: Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? Open a command prompt as admin in that folder. Try finding a unique set of characters in the name and use a wild card to delete. "this file is unique.txt " even with a space at the end del *unique* would/should remove it. At least dir *unique* will show that you are not going to select 5 other files, just the one you want. But what happens first in your example ? Does the shell parse the *unique* part with the asterisk wildcards and expand it ? And then the "del" sees "unique ", tries to delete it, that code path that removes the trailing space cuts in, changes "unique " to "unique", and then "del" is trying to remove "unique" instead of removing "unique ". It might depend on whether the shell does the expansion, or "del" does the expansion, whether the name is handled correctly. I think that's why there is the UNC method. As a means to prevent too much interpretation before acting on something. This is a situation that'll take some amount of experimenting before you fix it. "Some Microsoft Windows interfaces also accept the "Long UNC":" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_%...ing_Convention And I got to learn a new technical term today :-) It's where a computer operation requires way too many backslashes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leanin...hpick_syndrome Paul |
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On 09/04/2018 09:49 AM, Paul wrote:
Big Al wrote: On 09/03/2018 09:51 PM, EIEIO wrote: Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? Open a command prompt as admin in that folder. Try finding a unique set of characters in the name and use a wild card to delete. "this file is unique.txt " even with a space at the endÂ*Â*Â* del *unique* would/should remove it. At least dir *unique* will show that you are not going to select 5 other files, just the one you want. But what happens first in your example ? Does the shell parse the *unique* part with the asterisk wildcards and expand it ? And then the "del" sees "unique ", tries to delete it, that code path that removes the trailing space cuts in, changes "unique " to "unique", and then "del" is trying to remove "unique" instead of removing "unique ". It might depend on whether the shell does the expansion, or "del" does the expansion, whether the name is handled correctly. I think that's why there is the UNC method. As a means to prevent too much interpretation before acting on something. This is a situation that'll take some amount of experimenting before you fix it. "Some Microsoft Windows interfaces also accept the "Long UNC":" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_%...ing_Convention And I got to learn a new technical term today :-) It's where a computer operation requires way too many backslashes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leanin...hpick_syndrome Â*Â* Paul Actually I'd boot a live Linux DVD and delete it from Linux. LOL |
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Big Al wrote:
On 09/03/2018 09:51 PM, EIEIO wrote: Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? Open a command prompt as admin in that folder. Try finding a unique set of characters in the name and use a wild card to delete. AFAICT, he doesn't want to delete a file, he wants to rename a file and the rename fails. This is my interpretation of what he writes: "I try to rename a file. Entering the new name works OK, but when I hit Enter, the name gets set back to the original name." "this file is unique.txt " even with a space at the end del *unique* would/should remove it. At least dir *unique* will show that you are not going to select 5 other files, just the one you want. |
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Big Al wrote:
Actually I'd boot a live Linux DVD and delete it from Linux. LOL It depends on whether a bar bet was involved or not. It's not as easy as you think today. Try renaming wuauserv DLL in Win10 C: from Linux. If you get "I/O Error", don't panic. (At least one person incorrectly concluded his OS was fubar, and did a reinstall after seeing the message. It really isn't "I/O Error", it's "Operation not supported".) Paul |
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On 09/04/2018 07:58 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
[snip] Why people expect to have their problem solved yet don't provide relevant details -- it never ceases to amaze me. I remember someone calling me about a computer problem and just said "it won't print". I guess the person tried one thing. I never found out what program that was in, what he did, what printer he had, or what actually happened. It's hard to solve an unknown problem over the phone. -- 112 days until the winter celebration (Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Every pulpit is a pillory, in which stands a hired culprit, defending the justice of his own imprisonment." [Robert G. Ingersoll] |
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Reboot the computer and try again before opening any other programs
On 04/09/2018 07:54:34, EIEIO wrote: I am Admin on this PC with a logon pwd. No other users. 10 files of various simple names in a folder in Favorites. So then I copied the files to a folder C:\Stuff Same problem, cannot rename. No error message. Files are NOT read only or anything else. Even if there were hidden characters in the filename why not allow rename ? I have renamed filenames with Chinese symbols no problem. These have simple text. EIEIO wrote: Win 7 Pro all up to date. Try to rename a file and edits ok but when I hit return it erases the edit back to the original name. What the ______ is going on ??? -- mick |
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The filenames have standard characters.
If I click on it and get it highlighted and copy just the name to notepad I see the same characters. Anyway, if I click on it to rename and all characters are highlighted does that not meant the name is OK per Windows ? I also used the right-click menu Rename with same results. |
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