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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
Mike on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:52:02 -0800 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following: ah, but now I remember: Backblaze.com\b2\hard-drive-test-data.html They track the MTBF for the drives they get for their cloud service. The answer is YES! If that sounds unhelpful, consider that the only clue you've disclosed is that you posted to a win7 newsgroup. The devil is in the DETAILS. It's odd that inability to create new user accounts is your primary concern. From Dec 2014 to last week, it wasn't an issue. I decided to kill two birds with one stone: I decided it was time to "learn" windows 7. And I just became an Officer in the Club. Decided that if I create a new account, I can mess with windows 7, and keep Canton business separate from my "life". I can't remember creating a new user account since...well...forever. Sounds like something important might be missing from your disclosure. Consider carefully, BEFORE you start, whether the ISO you have will activate with the license key that you have. Ditto for all programs that require keys. Oh,I am well aware. Some of the Software I use has upgraded to now it is only a rental and "in the cloud." No, I do not want to do that. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:50:01 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following: GS wrote: IMO, a clean install is *a clean install* so NO INSTALLED APPS TRANSFER - USER DATA ONLY! But you can use a "transfer" program to move the installed programs over to your clean OS. You can acquire a refurb machine with Win10 on it, and move the Win10 programs on some other machine over. (No, Apps cannot be moved, the ones that download from the Windows App Store.) The option exists, if you have deep pockets... and enjoy "fun". You can move your Programs over and pretend the machine is now "the same". Paul Oh, I totally agree it's an option for anyone to choose to do; - just not my preference to do it that way! (If things got me to this point then I'm at the "If I had to do it over..." stage!g) If I had to do it all over again, I'd have gotten the 64 bit XP, and the bigger hard drive, and, and .... Now on a new system I'll transfer a clean install image with all its apps/utilities and system config to save time doing setups. Most often, though, when people want their original Win7 machine reverted back after it automajically upgraded to Win10 back when that s--t was happening when we weren't looking, I'll do a clean install of OS and programs the owner wants to keep. (Gives them the "if I had to do it over..." benefit!) Yeah, that is the worry I had. If I do a clean install, and then run all the Win7 updates, is it going to load Win10 on it "for me"? The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!) Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand. -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:56:50 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following: GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:48:04 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: If the new computer runs the Kaby Lake (or newer) chipset and newer hardware, Win7 will install but finding drivers will be next to impossible. Best approach might be to go with refurbished -OR- upgrade your own unit. Regardless of which approach, you'll have to re-install your apps if you want them to work properly! Note also, if you do a clean install of Win7 keep in mind its ISO knows nothing about USB3.0 and so you'll have to install the Root Hub and the eXtensible Host Controller available (free) from Intel if your box has USB3 ports. "Oh joy." Thanks. I was addressing the point you mentioned about some 'front' USB ports not working; - just an FYI! Thanks. I wound up buying an external (and powered) hub. It does the job, perhaps not as elegantly, but definitely less expensively. I use an external hub myself just for convenience because USB sticks are easier to insert/remove for me. (I have Lou Gehrig's and so using out-of-sight ports is physically difficult.) -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to geta bigger drive, or a new computer?
GS wrote:
The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!) Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand. A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today. But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked since then. But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped. Paul |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
Ken Blake on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:00:43 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:00:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: The continuing saga. I can't create new user accounts. Something is corrupted. I have had a new ISO downloaded to my computer, the techs are thinking "reinstall windows" to "fix the problem". As far as I'm concerned, that should be the last step--it's a lot of work, something to do only if you've tried everything else and nothing works. Of course, a reinstall of the OS also means "reinstall the programs". Which means "First, backup everything on the hard drive, both partitions." Grumble, grumble, "if it has to be done...." Be are that if you reinstall Windows, backups of your programs are useless. They will have to be reinstalled from their original media. That I know, but having all the files "makes me happier." Especially the ones in the "Setup Programs" directory. Backup of your data files, on the other hand, is not useless. It should be done to external media regularly, whether or not you have problems. It sound like you don't do that, and if you don't, you've been playing with fire. But then the question comes to me: why not just get a new (larger) drive, and do the install on that? ("All" I would need to do is burn a DVD with the ISO and we're good, yes?) Leaving aside the question of a larger drive, what makes you think a new drive will be better than the old one? Do you think are problems are with the drive failing? That sounds very unlikely to me. If there's nothing wrong with the drive, installing Windows on the old drive or a new one would be almost exactly the same thing. If I reinstall on this drive, I still have the issue of "I'm running out of disc space". If I get a bigger drive, "re-install" on that, then I have more space, _and_ a second drive. And if course if the problem is hardware-related but not the drive (possible, but doesn't sound likely), changing drives accomplishes nothing Drives run less than a hundred. That depends on the drive size. You can buy a 1TB from Amazon for $46. But wait, how about getting a "new" refurbished machine? (They run $200, and have a larger drive installed already. Your choice, of course. Personally I stay far away from refurbished computers. I think that's looking for trouble. So far, aside from this issue ( a lost registry value, it turns out), this has been a good machine. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following: Yeah, that is the worry I had. If I do a clean install, and then run all the Win7 updates, is it going to load Win10 on it "for me"? The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!) Good to hear. Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand. -- Garry -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
Paul on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:47:33 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following: GS wrote: The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!) Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand. A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today. But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked since then. But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped. Good. I am not overly thrilled with the Windows 7 interface, and even less so with what I see in Win 8 or 10. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500, GS wrote:
FYI, Garry, you have a small misconfiguration in your newsreader. When you reply, your newsreader inserts the following: GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:50:01 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: It looks as if you're replying to yourself. "GS ", in the line above, should indicate who you're replying to. -- I like pie. |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
GS wrote:
The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!) Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand. A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today. But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked since then. But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped. Paul Thanks, that's good to know! -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
Paul on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:47:33 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following: GS wrote: The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!) Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand. A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today. But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked since then. But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped. Good. I am not overly thrilled with the Windows 7 interface, and even less so with what I see in Win 8 or 10. I have my Win7Pro UI configured as close to my old XP Pro UI as possible. In turn, I config W8.1 and W10 UIs the same way. While this works really well for me, I do get somewhat disoriented when working on other peoples systems that have out-of-the-box UIs!g -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500, GS wrote:
FYI, Garry, you have a small misconfiguration in your newsreader. When you reply, your newsreader inserts the following: GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:50:01 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: It looks as if you're replying to yourself. "GS ", in the line above, should indicate who you're replying to. Yeah, it has been acting weird for some time now; - perhaps it's time to upgrade or even replace. Maybe even revert back to the previous version since it worked flawlessly as best I recall! -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:40:25 -0500, GS wrote:
GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:56:50 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:48:04 -0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: If the new computer runs the Kaby Lake (or newer) chipset and newer hardware, Win7 will install but finding drivers will be next to impossible. Best approach might be to go with refurbished -OR- upgrade your own unit. Regardless of which approach, you'll have to re-install your apps if you want them to work properly! Note also, if you do a clean install of Win7 keep in mind its ISO knows nothing about USB3.0 and so you'll have to install the Root Hub and the eXtensible Host Controller available (free) from Intel if your box has USB3 ports. "Oh joy." Thanks. I was addressing the point you mentioned about some 'front' USB ports not working; - just an FYI! Thanks. I wound up buying an external (and powered) hub. It does the job, perhaps not as elegantly, but definitely less expensively. I use an external hub myself just for convenience because USB sticks are easier to insert/remove for me. (I have Lou Gehrig's and so using out-of-sight ports is physically difficult.) My computer's tower has no front USB ports, so what I do is run a "USB extension cord" from its rear to the front of my desk where I have it attached. Quick, easy, and very inexpensive. And (except for keyboard and mouse, which are permanently connected) I never need more than one USB port at a time. |
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If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 17:53:16 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Ken Blake on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:00:43 -0700 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:00:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote: The continuing saga. I can't create new user accounts. Something is corrupted. I have had a new ISO downloaded to my computer, the techs are thinking "reinstall windows" to "fix the problem". As far as I'm concerned, that should be the last step--it's a lot of work, something to do only if you've tried everything else and nothing works. Of course, a reinstall of the OS also means "reinstall the programs". Which means "First, backup everything on the hard drive, both partitions." Grumble, grumble, "if it has to be done...." Be are that if you reinstall Windows, backups of your programs are useless. They will have to be reinstalled from their original media. That I know, but having all the files "makes me happier." Especially the ones in the "Setup Programs" directory. Backup of your data files, on the other hand, is not useless. It should be done to external media regularly, whether or not you have problems. It sound like you don't do that, and if you don't, you've been playing with fire. But then the question comes to me: why not just get a new (larger) drive, and do the install on that? ("All" I would need to do is burn a DVD with the ISO and we're good, yes?) Leaving aside the question of a larger drive, what makes you think a new drive will be better than the old one? Do you think are problems are with the drive failing? That sounds very unlikely to me. If there's nothing wrong with the drive, installing Windows on the old drive or a new one would be almost exactly the same thing. If I reinstall on this drive, I still have the issue of "I'm running out of disc space". If I get a bigger drive, "re-install" on that, then I have more space, _and_ a second drive. OK, your earlier message didn't sound like that was the case. It sounded like you were just concerned about the problem. If you need more disk space, yes, you should certainly buy it, problem or not. And if course if the problem is hardware-related but not the drive (possible, but doesn't sound likely), changing drives accomplishes nothing Drives run less than a hundred. That depends on the drive size. You can buy a 1TB from Amazon for $46. But wait, how about getting a "new" refurbished machine? (They run $200, and have a larger drive installed already. Your choice, of course. Personally I stay far away from refurbished computers. I think that's looking for trouble. So far, aside from this issue ( a lost registry value, it turns out), this has been a good machine. |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500, GS wrote:
The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! Yes, however Microsoft still lets some people who ask them nicely get it for free. |
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