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Old January 20th 19, 12:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?

Mike on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:52:02 -0800 typed in
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ah, but now I remember: Backblaze.com\b2\hard-drive-test-data.html
They track the MTBF for the drives they get for their cloud service.

The answer is YES!
If that sounds unhelpful, consider that the only clue you've disclosed
is that you posted to a win7 newsgroup. The devil is in the DETAILS.

It's odd that inability to create new user accounts is your primary concern.


From Dec 2014 to last week, it wasn't an issue. I decided to kill
two birds with one stone: I decided it was time to "learn" windows 7.
And I just became an Officer in the Club. Decided that if I create a
new account, I can mess with windows 7, and keep Canton business
separate from my "life".

I can't remember creating a new user account since...well...forever.
Sounds like something important might be missing from your disclosure.


Consider carefully, BEFORE you start, whether the ISO you have will activate
with the license key that you have. Ditto for all programs that require
keys.


Oh,I am well aware. Some of the Software I use has upgraded to
now it is only a rental and "in the cloud." No, I do not want to do
that.
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Old January 20th 19, 01:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:50:01 -0500 typed in
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GS wrote:
IMO, a clean install is *a clean install* so NO INSTALLED APPS TRANSFER -
USER DATA ONLY!


But you can use a "transfer" program to move the installed
programs over to your clean OS.

You can acquire a refurb machine with Win10 on it, and move
the Win10 programs on some other machine over. (No, Apps
cannot be moved, the ones that download from the Windows App Store.)

The option exists, if you have deep pockets... and enjoy "fun".
You can move your Programs over and pretend the machine is
now "the same".

Paul


Oh, I totally agree it's an option for anyone to choose to do; - just not my
preference to do it that way! (If things got me to this point then I'm at
the "If I had to do it over..." stage!g)


If I had to do it all over again, I'd have gotten the 64 bit XP,
and the bigger hard drive, and, and ....

Now on a new system I'll transfer a clean install image with all its
apps/utilities and system config to save time doing setups. Most often,
though, when people want their original Win7 machine reverted back after it
automajically upgraded to Win10 back when that s--t was happening when we
weren't looking, I'll do a clean install of OS and programs the owner wants
to keep. (Gives them the "if I had to do it over..." benefit!)


Yeah, that is the worry I had. If I do a clean install, and then
run all the Win7 updates, is it going to load Win10 on it "for me"?


The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put
Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines
I've replaced the OS on!)

Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in
update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand.

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Old January 20th 19, 01:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:56:50 -0500 typed in
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GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:48:04 -0500 typed in
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If the new computer runs the Kaby Lake (or newer) chipset and newer
hardware, Win7 will install but finding drivers will be next to
impossible. Best approach might be to go with refurbished -OR- upgrade
your own unit. Regardless of which approach, you'll have to re-install
your apps if you want them to work properly!

Note also, if you do a clean install of Win7 keep in mind its ISO knows
nothing about USB3.0 and so you'll have to install the Root Hub and the
eXtensible Host Controller available (free) from Intel if your box has
USB3 ports.

"Oh joy."

Thanks.


I was addressing the point you mentioned about some 'front' USB ports not
working; - just an FYI!


Thanks. I wound up buying an external (and powered) hub. It does
the job, perhaps not as elegantly, but definitely less expensively.


I use an external hub myself just for convenience because USB sticks are easier
to insert/remove for me. (I have Lou Gehrig's and so using out-of-sight ports
is physically difficult.)

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Old January 20th 19, 01:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to geta bigger drive, or a new computer?

GS wrote:

The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've
put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new
Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!)

Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own
built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand.


A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today.

But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually
while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get
free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year
or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked
since then.

But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped.

Paul


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Old January 20th 19, 02:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?

Ken Blake on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:00:43 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:00:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


The continuing saga. I can't create new user accounts. Something
is corrupted. I have had a new ISO downloaded to my computer, the
techs are thinking "reinstall windows" to "fix the problem".



As far as I'm concerned, that should be the last step--it's a lot of
work, something to do only if you've tried everything else and nothing
works.


Of course, a reinstall of the OS also means "reinstall the
programs". Which means "First, backup everything on the hard drive,
both partitions." Grumble, grumble, "if it has to be done...."

Be are that if you reinstall Windows, backups of your programs are
useless. They will have to be reinstalled from their original media.


That I know, but having all the files "makes me happier."
Especially the ones in the "Setup Programs" directory.

Backup of your data files, on the other hand, is not useless. It
should be done to external media regularly, whether or not you have
problems. It sound like you don't do that, and if you don't, you've
been playing with fire.


But then the question comes to me: why not just get a new (larger)
drive, and do the install on that? ("All" I would need to do is burn
a DVD with the ISO and we're good, yes?)

Leaving aside the question of a larger drive, what makes you think a
new drive will be better than the old one? Do you think are problems
are with the drive failing? That sounds very unlikely to me. If
there's nothing wrong with the drive, installing Windows on the old
drive or a new one would be almost exactly the same thing.


If I reinstall on this drive, I still have the issue of "I'm
running out of disc space". If I get a bigger drive, "re-install" on
that, then I have more space, _and_ a second drive.

And if course if the problem is hardware-related but not the drive
(possible, but doesn't sound likely), changing drives accomplishes
nothing
Drives run less than a
hundred.

That depends on the drive size. You can buy a 1TB from Amazon for $46.
But wait, how about getting a "new" refurbished machine? (They
run $200, and have a larger drive installed already.

Your choice, of course. Personally I stay far away from refurbished
computers. I think that's looking for trouble.


So far, aside from this issue ( a lost registry value, it turns
out), this has been a good machine.


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Old January 20th 19, 02:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500 typed in
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Yeah, that is the worry I had. If I do a clean install, and then
run all the Win7 updates, is it going to load Win10 on it "for me"?


The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put
Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10 machines
I've replaced the OS on!)


Good to hear.

Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own built-in
update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand.

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Old January 20th 19, 02:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Paul on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:47:33 -0500 typed
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GS wrote:

The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've
put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new
Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!)

Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own
built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand.


A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today.

But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually
while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get
free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year
or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked
since then.

But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped.


Good.

I am not overly thrilled with the Windows 7 interface, and even
less so with what I see in Win 8 or 10.
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Old January 20th 19, 06:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500, GS wrote:

FYI, Garry, you have a small misconfiguration in your newsreader. When
you reply, your newsreader inserts the following:

GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:50:01 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:


It looks as if you're replying to yourself. "GS ", in the
line above, should indicate who you're replying to.

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Old January 20th 19, 09:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?

GS wrote:

The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've put
Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new Win10
machines I've replaced the OS on!)

Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own
built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand.


A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today.

But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually
while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get
free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year
or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked
since then.

But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped.

Paul


Thanks, that's good to know!

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Old January 20th 19, 09:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?

Paul on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:47:33 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
GS wrote:

The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired! None of the systems I've
put Win7Pro on have had this "done to" them. (That includes the new
Win10 machines I've replaced the OS on!)

Note that Windows Update has been disabled so only apps with their own
built-in update scheme update as configured, or manually on demand.


A Win7 machine would not "auto-upgrade" to Windows 10 today.

But if you download a Win10 DVD and install it manually
while Windows 7 is running, you just might (still) get
free Windows 10. It didn't actually stop working a year
or so ago, and installing Win10 over Win7 has worked
since then.

But the more aggressive "auto-upgrade" behavior has stopped.


Good.

I am not overly thrilled with the Windows 7 interface, and even
less so with what I see in Win 8 or 10.


I have my Win7Pro UI configured as close to my old XP Pro UI as possible. In
turn, I config W8.1 and W10 UIs the same way. While this works really well for
me, I do get somewhat disoriented when working on other peoples systems that
have out-of-the-box UIs!g

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Old January 20th 19, 09:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500, GS wrote:

FYI, Garry, you have a small misconfiguration in your newsreader. When
you reply, your newsreader inserts the following:

GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:50:01 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:


It looks as if you're replying to yourself. "GS ", in the
line above, should indicate who you're replying to.


Yeah, it has been acting weird for some time now; - perhaps it's time to
upgrade or even replace. Maybe even revert back to the previous version since
it worked flawlessly as best I recall!

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Old January 20th 19, 10:57 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:56:50 -0500 typed in
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GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:48:04 -0500 typed in
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If the new computer runs the Kaby Lake (or newer) chipset and newer
hardware, Win7 will install but finding drivers will be next to
impossible. Best approach might be to go with refurbished -OR- upgrade
your own unit. Regardless of which approach, you'll have to re-install
your apps if you want them to work properly!

Note also, if you do a clean install of Win7 keep in mind its ISO knows
nothing about USB3.0 and so you'll have to install the Root Hub and the
eXtensible Host Controller available (free) from Intel if your box has USB3
ports.

"Oh joy."

Thanks.


I was addressing the point you mentioned about some 'front' USB ports not
working; - just an FYI!


Thanks. I wound up buying an external (and powered) hub. It does
the job, perhaps not as elegantly, but definitely less expensively.


Yea, I have two of those USB2 and another two are USB 1 and they really
do the trick when needed. I use the USB 1 now only for charging USB
devices, occasionally things like keyboard and mice but little else as
almost eberything is at least USB 2 now. Of the USB 2 ones, one always
has three external self-powered drives and a DVD connected and powered
up and they've worked fibe for years now.

What I detest is them selling their USB "multiply ports" boxes without
any included power supply. The ones I have use a really small and
uncommon connector and it took me awhile to find the proper ends to
splice into appropriately power adapter. People buy these things hook
something like a Logitech Rumblepad up to them that takes all 500Mw and
then nothing else has power when plugged in and thing appears to not
work.
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Old January 20th 19, 04:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:40:25 -0500, GS wrote:

GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 15:56:50 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:
GS on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:48:04 -0500 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:
If the new computer runs the Kaby Lake (or newer) chipset and newer
hardware, Win7 will install but finding drivers will be next to
impossible. Best approach might be to go with refurbished -OR- upgrade
your own unit. Regardless of which approach, you'll have to re-install
your apps if you want them to work properly!

Note also, if you do a clean install of Win7 keep in mind its ISO knows
nothing about USB3.0 and so you'll have to install the Root Hub and the
eXtensible Host Controller available (free) from Intel if your box has
USB3 ports.

"Oh joy."

Thanks.

I was addressing the point you mentioned about some 'front' USB ports not
working; - just an FYI!


Thanks. I wound up buying an external (and powered) hub. It does
the job, perhaps not as elegantly, but definitely less expensively.


I use an external hub myself just for convenience because USB sticks are easier
to insert/remove for me. (I have Lou Gehrig's and so using out-of-sight ports
is physically difficult.)



My computer's tower has no front USB ports, so what I do is run a "USB
extension cord" from its rear to the front of my desk where I have it
attached. Quick, easy, and very inexpensive. And (except for keyboard
and mouse, which are permanently connected) I never need more than one
USB port at a time.
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Old January 20th 19, 04:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 17:53:16 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Ken Blake on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:00:43 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:00:24 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


The continuing saga. I can't create new user accounts. Something
is corrupted. I have had a new ISO downloaded to my computer, the
techs are thinking "reinstall windows" to "fix the problem".



As far as I'm concerned, that should be the last step--it's a lot of
work, something to do only if you've tried everything else and nothing
works.


Of course, a reinstall of the OS also means "reinstall the
programs". Which means "First, backup everything on the hard drive,
both partitions." Grumble, grumble, "if it has to be done...."

Be are that if you reinstall Windows, backups of your programs are
useless. They will have to be reinstalled from their original media.


That I know, but having all the files "makes me happier."
Especially the ones in the "Setup Programs" directory.

Backup of your data files, on the other hand, is not useless. It
should be done to external media regularly, whether or not you have
problems. It sound like you don't do that, and if you don't, you've
been playing with fire.


But then the question comes to me: why not just get a new (larger)
drive, and do the install on that? ("All" I would need to do is burn
a DVD with the ISO and we're good, yes?)

Leaving aside the question of a larger drive, what makes you think a
new drive will be better than the old one? Do you think are problems
are with the drive failing? That sounds very unlikely to me. If
there's nothing wrong with the drive, installing Windows on the old
drive or a new one would be almost exactly the same thing.


If I reinstall on this drive, I still have the issue of "I'm
running out of disc space". If I get a bigger drive, "re-install" on
that, then I have more space, _and_ a second drive.




OK, your earlier message didn't sound like that was the case. It
sounded like you were just concerned about the problem.

If you need more disk space, yes, you should certainly buy it, problem
or not.




And if course if the problem is hardware-related but not the drive
(possible, but doesn't sound likely), changing drives accomplishes
nothing
Drives run less than a
hundred.

That depends on the drive size. You can buy a 1TB from Amazon for $46.
But wait, how about getting a "new" refurbished machine? (They
run $200, and have a larger drive installed already.

Your choice, of course. Personally I stay far away from refurbished
computers. I think that's looking for trouble.


So far, aside from this issue ( a lost registry value, it turns
out), this has been a good machine.

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Old January 20th 19, 04:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default If I have to do a complete install, would it be better to get a bigger drive, or a new computer?

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 19:35:13 -0500, GS wrote:


The free upgrade to Win10 offer has expired!




Yes, however Microsoft still lets some people who ask them nicely get
it for free.
 




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