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  #31  
Old March 5th 19, 07:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Paul" wrote

| I don't know of anyplace to actually check for running hooks
|
| Would Sysinternals "handle.exe" work ?
|
I've never seen that before. But a handle is basically
just an object ID, for a window, bitmap, etc. I don't
imagine that would provide guidance about functionality.
Maybe checking out unknown DLLs in PE would work.
I don't know. I may be there's an easy way to return
system hooks, but I've never had occasion to notice.


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  #32  
Old March 5th 19, 07:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| No, that's not it. When I get the fault, it's as if a Ctrl or sometimes
| shift key is stuck down - at least that's the best description I can
| give of it. Arrow key presses are registered - but, say, if the cursor
| is in text, it moves by (and sometimes highlights) a word at a time
| rather than a letter. Sometimes the letter keys do nothing, except that
| (say) S brings up the Save dialogue.
|
| Does sound like a faulty keyboard - but the thing that mitigates most
| against that being the cause, is that different things seem to have
| different sensitivities: usually (though not always), if I switch to
| Notepad+, I can type as normal. (Sometimes I even resort to switching to
| Notepad+, typing the text I want, copying it, switching back to [e. g.]
| my news client, and pasting. [The "mouse" - trackpad - works fine.])
| Sometimes switching to Notepad+ and typing a character or two suffices -
| I can switch back to the other application and typing is back. It's a
| weird one!

It might be worth checking for hooks. If a program
needs to be able to get system keyboard messages it
will install a hook -- normally from a DLL. I use one for an
accessibility library I wrote, to provide notification of
keystrokes in an event, so that each key name can be
spoken aloud for blind people.

Imagine an old-style bucket
brigade. The water bucket gets passed along to the
end. It doesn't really matter how many people are in
the line as long as each does their job of passing the
bucket along. A hook allows constant monitoring. It
could be used by malware, anti-virus, or anything that
provides a service needing to monitor mouse and/or
keyboard.


I can only think of two such that I have: AllChars (which allows me to
enter ½, ö, ñ, ±, and so on, via a laptop keyboard with no numeric
pad), and Noisy Keyboard (which gives me feedback). AllChars seemed the
most likely, as that was the most recent thing I'd installed before the
symptoms started. Although that was back on my XP machine. But I tried
turning it off, or even uninstalling it, and still got the behaviour.

Having said that: I just got one of the manifestations of the weirdness
while I was typing the above paragraph, I turned AllChars off (didn't
uninstall it), and I got my typing back! So, more investigation needed.
I've just turned AllChars back on, and I can still type - including
éûμ„ the odd characters AllChars makes it easy to type. Hmm, I'll
have to play more (-:!

I don't know of anyplace to actually check for running
hooks, but you could try stopping various things, including
services that might need a hook, and see what happens.


I did try that before - closing down everything that was running to see
if it "got better" - but the nature of the fault (comes and goes) makes
it _very_ difficult to study.

If the hook library is faulty -- not always passing the
message along -- that could possibly create symptoms
like what you're seeing. The main suspect to my mind
would be malware or anti-malware. (Like cops and robbers,
sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.


(-:

I assume you've tried a different keyboard. I know you
said it's software related, but you never know. Coincidence
can sometimes mislead.

Yes: both an external one and the on-screen one (simulated keyboard you
click on with the mouse [osk.exe]); it was the latter that convinced me
it wasn't hardware!

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I've got this shocking pain right behind the eyes."
"Have you considered amputation?" - Vila & Avon
  #33  
Old March 5th 19, 07:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Paul
writes:
Mayayana wrote:

I don't know of anyplace to actually check for running hooks


Would Sysinternals "handle.exe" work ?

It will tell you what files are open, and it's possible
other device types might be detected that way. I think


It might - I have it as part of the SysInternals suite I launch from the
Nirsoft launcher. However, I've just tried it - and it's far too
complicated for me to understand )-:.
[]
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  #34  
Old March 5th 19, 08:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| No, that's not it. When I get the fault, it's as if a Ctrl or sometimes
| shift key is stuck down - at least that's the best description I can
| give of it. Arrow key presses are registered - but, say, if the cursor
| is in text, it moves by (and sometimes highlights) a word at a time
| rather than a letter. Sometimes the letter keys do nothing, except that
| (say) S brings up the Save dialogue.
|
| Does sound like a faulty keyboard - but the thing that mitigates most
| against that being the cause, is that different things seem to have
| different sensitivities: usually (though not always), if I switch to
| Notepad+, I can type as normal. (Sometimes I even resort to
switching to
| Notepad+, typing the text I want, copying it, switching back to [e. g.]
| my news client, and pasting. [The "mouse" - trackpad - works fine.])
| Sometimes switching to Notepad+ and typing a character or two
suffices -
| I can switch back to the other application and typing is back. It's a
| weird one!

It might be worth checking for hooks. If a program
needs to be able to get system keyboard messages it
will install a hook -- normally from a DLL. I use one for an
accessibility library I wrote, to provide notification of
keystrokes in an event, so that each key name can be
spoken aloud for blind people.

Imagine an old-style bucket
brigade. The water bucket gets passed along to the
end. It doesn't really matter how many people are in
the line as long as each does their job of passing the
bucket along. A hook allows constant monitoring. It
could be used by malware, anti-virus, or anything that
provides a service needing to monitor mouse and/or
keyboard.


I can only think of two such that I have: AllChars (which allows me to
enter ½, ö, ñ, ±, and so on, via a laptop keyboard with no numeric pad),
and Noisy Keyboard (which gives me feedback). AllChars seemed the most
likely, as that was the most recent thing I'd installed before the
symptoms started. Although that was back on my XP machine. But I tried
turning it off, or even uninstalling it, and still got the behaviour.

Having said that: I just got one of the manifestations of the weirdness
while I was typing the above paragraph, I turned AllChars off (didn't
uninstall it), and I got my typing back! So, more investigation needed.
I've just turned AllChars back on, and I can still type - including éûμ„
the odd characters AllChars makes it easy to type. Hmm, I'll have to
play more (-:!

I don't know of anyplace to actually check for running
hooks, but you could try stopping various things, including
services that might need a hook, and see what happens.


I did try that before - closing down everything that was running to see
if it "got better" - but the nature of the fault (comes and goes) makes
it _very_ difficult to study.

If the hook library is faulty -- not always passing the
message along -- that could possibly create symptoms
like what you're seeing. The main suspect to my mind
would be malware or anti-malware. (Like cops and robbers,
sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.


(-:

I assume you've tried a different keyboard. I know you
said it's software related, but you never know. Coincidence
can sometimes mislead.

Yes: both an external one and the on-screen one (simulated keyboard you
click on with the mouse [osk.exe]); it was the latter that convinced me
it wasn't hardware!


Something that occurred to me later, was

filter driver

That's a way of hooking HID devices. A filter driver
is used for touchpads, as a means to derive "gestured"
from the coordinate flow.

There are UpperFilters and LowerFilters. And filters
of one type or another, also have an "altitude" parameter,
that allows the filters to work in "stacks", where there
is pre-agreement when the filter driver is registered
with Microsoft, that it won't cause a problem if it is
above or below somebody elses filter driver.

https://i.postimg.cc/nzcYNRhb/check-...rivers-HID.gif

Paul
  #35  
Old March 5th 19, 10:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 6:04 AM, Sam Hill wrote:

Yeah, I suppose it was a bit of a tangent. But your statement that "24/7"
equates to "reboot each night" grabbed my immediate attention. As Char
stated, that was just wrong!


Hi Sam,

I kill filed Char years ago. I do not see anything she writes.
You trust what she says at you own risk.

Also keep in mind in these kinds of forums that there are always
those that make it their life's work to defend the honor of their
favorite software, working or not. A polite name for them
is "tech evangelists". They are pains in the ass. Eventually
they wind up in my kill file, as did Char.

Home users that run (not use) 24/7 typically are doing so because
they want immediate access and they don't care about the energy
cost. And sometimes because they have viruses and have a bad time
getting their computers to restart and are too cheap to get them
fixed.

Providing everything else is okay, rebooting in the middle of the
night have solved these issues.

I have also had to do the reboot thing on some Windows Servers.
They are not very reliable. I typically make them reboot
after their backup completes in the night. One one machine,
it would prince 4" letter across their order form if the
server was left running more than two days. It was hysterical.
I had a good laugh when they showed me their sales forms.

For enterprise 24/7, Paul is your best guy to ask. It is a whole
different ball game. Also, enterprise level typically will
use more reliable systems, such as Linux. By the way, that
last remark will typically blow the head off a tech evangelist.
Unfortunately their heads do grow back.

Now you are completely free to disregard my advice as well.
This is what I have done and this is my experience. And I
am making a concerted effort to help folks, not to stalk
them and disparage them, as does Char.

-T




  #36  
Old March 5th 19, 10:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 7:18 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 3/4/19 7:47 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Baloney Todd, Last place I worked before I retired I had 2 windows
machines running for about two and a half years 24/7/365 with no shut
downs or reboots, They ran my security and door card reader systems
and where not allowed to shut down, they were critical systems. You
are spreading FUD, and its not appreciated.


Rene


Seriously Rene. Your computers ran a single app. and from that
you surmised that I am spreading FUD?

I am curious about your system.

In 2-1/2 years you never had a power hit?Â* What kind of power
protection were you running.

What version of Windows did you run?

Was it embedded Windows?

Did you have Internet access?

Did you run any other apps on it?

Did you have updates turned off?

Did you have sleep / hibernate enabled?


We had a machine at work with an uptime of 2 years.

And knowing how often the power used to drop to that
site, it got some of the staff thinking "this cannot possibly
be right". The power at the time, would drop maybe once a
week due to lightning storms (summer months). How could
a machine stay up for two years, when all the computers
around it, dropped once a week ? It seemed like a miracle,
like finding an image of Jesus in your morning toast.
(It was a Unix box, and presumably had an uptime command.)

Then, someone decided to check where the power plug was
situated. And it turned out, that computer was plugged
into the emergency lighting system rail :-) The power
source that runs all those red Exit signs. The building design,
had that power bussed throughout the building.

So if you want a recipe for fun at work, give that
a try.

I'm pretty sure that outlet is specifically marked as
not for general consumption, but some rocket scientist
probably thought this would be funny. And, it was...

Â*Â* Paul


Hysterical !!!

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Old March 5th 19, 10:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 8:40 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/05/2019 3:06 AM, T wrote:
On 3/4/19 7:47 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Baloney Todd, Last place I worked before I retired I had 2 windows
machines running for about two and a half years 24/7/365 with no shut
downs or reboots, They ran my security and door card reader systems
and where not allowed to shut down, they were critical systems. You
are spreadingÂ*FUD,Â*andÂ*itsÂ*notÂ*appreciated.


Rene


Seriously Rene. Your computers ran a single app. and from that
you surmised that I am spreading FUD?

I am curious about your system.

In 2-1/2 years you never had a power hit?Â* What kind of power
protection were you running.


An 1800 watt UPSÂ* Worth about $1400.00


What version of Windows did you run?


I do believe it was XP if I remember correctly


Was it embedded Windows?


No


Did you have Internet access?


No

Did you run any other apps on it?


Only backup Applications.


Did you have updates turned off?


No internet, Thus no updates


Did you have sleep / hibernate enabled?


No, these systems had to run 24/7



Rene


Hi Rene,

Thank you for sharing. It is a very sound design. Makes
perfect sense that it would have run for so long.

XP and 7 are now pretty stable now. It usually takes about
two years for M$ to clean up their latest offering, unless
they completely drop them and go on to something else.

Windows 10 is an exception as it hasn't gotten any better
in what five And M$ is not about to drop 10 as they did Vista.

Have you been to Walmart lately? Their self service line
are running embedded Windows 10. I scoff watching them
reboot. They should have used embedded Linux.

-T



  #38  
Old March 5th 19, 10:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 7:57 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
I'll add my experience to yours. Both my machine and my wife's run
continuously without ever rebooting unless it's required by an update
(or we're leaving home for a couple of weeks on vacation). I've never
timed exactly how long it runs before an update (to Windows or
something else) that requires rebooting, but my guess is that it's
usually around a month or so.

That experience is currently with machines running Windows 10, but it
goes back to Windows XP, Vista, 7, 8, and 8.1.



Home machines?
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Old March 5th 19, 10:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 3:42 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 2:04 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
4. You describe "keyboard acting weird." Would you care to give more
detail? When I first asked about this a few months ago, I don't think
anyoneÂ*elseÂ*hadÂ*quiteÂ*theÂ*sameÂ*behaviour.

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Old March 5th 19, 10:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 1:31 PM, T wrote:
On 3/5/19 3:42 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 2:04 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
4. You describe "keyboard acting weird." Would you care to give more
detail? When I first asked about this a few months ago, I don't
think anyoneÂ*elseÂ*hadÂ*quiteÂ*theÂ*sameÂ*behaviour.

Hi John,

Arrow keys now working, ctrlC & V not working, that sort
of thing.


No, that's not it. When I get the fault, it's as if a Ctrl or
sometimes shift key is stuck down - at least that's the best
description I can give of it. Arrow key presses are registered - but,
say, if the cursor is in text, it moves by (and sometimes highlights)
a word at a time rather than a letter. Sometimes the letter keys do
nothing, except that (say) S brings up the Save dialogue.

Does sound like a faulty keyboard - but the thing that mitigates most
against that being the cause, is that different things seem to have
different sensitivities: usually (though not always), if I switch to
Notepad+, I can type as normal. (Sometimes I even resort to switching
to Notepad+, typing the text I want, copying it, switching back to [e.
g.] my news client, and pasting. [The "mouse" - trackpad - works
fine.]) Sometimes switching to Notepad+ and typing a character or two
suffices - I can switch back to the other application and typing is
back. It's a weird one!

Does rebooting fix it?


Yes, always. Usually messing about fixes it, so I tend to do that
rather than rebooting, as it's quicker.

Can you duplicate the problem in safe mode?


Don't know. Since I don't know what sets it off, I'm not sure I'd be
able to tell.

When you finally figure this out, would you post back for us nosey
people?


If I remember, sure! (Even if it's something embarrassing!)

-T


This is a long shot, but are you having power problems?Â* Your
lights flicker every so often?


Another long shot. Is your laptop getting rather warm
when this happens?

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Old March 5th 19, 10:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Having said that: I just got one of the manifestations of the weirdness
| while I was typing the above paragraph, I turned AllChars off (didn't
| uninstall it), and I got my typing back! So, more investigation needed.
| I've just turned AllChars back on, and I can still type - including
| éû?" the odd characters AllChars makes it easy to type.

That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they
designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent.
For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after
certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see
erratic behavior.


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Old March 5th 19, 10:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2019 00:29:34 -0500, Paul wrote:

Sam Hill wrote:
On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 19:11:45 -0800, T wrote:

On 3/4/19 6:38 PM, Sam Hill wrote:
On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:55:57 -0800, T wrote:
For those that need to run 24/7, doing a reboot in the night clears
them up.
Think about what you just wrote: "For those that need to run *24/7*,".
How does a reboot fit into that?
Who is processing something 100% of the time?


The remote server that sits waiting for world-wide salespersons to log
business transactions... Geez, think beyond the mom-n-pop people you serve
for once.

You pick a stop when
nothing is expected to be happening, like when all the remote loggers
have finally gone to sleep, etc.. And just let everyone know when the
reboot will occure.


What if the loggers are in Denver, Dubai, and Dingzhou?

My computer has been running since the last neighborhood power failure,
67 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes ago.
A Windows machine?


No. (Now you're going to complain that 'this is a Windows group' - just
know I was picking on your silly comment about what "24/7" is.)

That is the longest I have seen! 12 days and one customer could not
type, or send eMail, and Chrome's windows shimmered.


"A Windows machine?" g

Maybe it's okay in your little world that not being able to run more than
a few days is sufficient.

By change do your have hibernate/sleep set?


You'd be running a redundant system with some sort of
fail-over, such that with a pair of machines, one could
be rebooted while the other takes over.

The only problem with schemes like that, is when they
get into a loop. One evening at work, a "pair" like that,
swapped roles every 90 seconds, affecting service, so I
had to page the on-call IT guy to put a stop to it.

Char could probably tell you how to set something like that up.


It's a misconfiguration, obviously, but that issue and others similar to
it come up often enough that I and my colleagues have added the topic to
the 'ad hoc knowledge transfer' portion of our dog and pony show. As a
consultant, we've all been brought in to resolve issues like that many
times.

It starts with good intentions, as is so often the case. The customer
wants to eliminate a single point of failure, so they implement a
redundant pair of routers, firewalls, load balancers, etc., in an
Active/Standby configuration. Then, for whatever reason, they configure
the pair so that Unit 1 is preferred to be Active. Sooner or later,
along comes an issue that causes Unit 1 to demote itself to Standby, and
Unit 2 dutifully picks up the Active role. Unit 2 sees that it should be
Standby, so it demotes itself back to Standby, allowing Unit 1 to
promote itself to Active. However, the issue with Unit 1 is still
present, so Unit 1 demotes itself to Standby, Unit 2 sees that and
promotes itself to Active, and the cycle repeats until someone comes
along and resolves it.

Most of the network gear that I work with can be configured so that a
specific unit is preferred Active without the issue above coming along
for the ride, but you have to do a bit of additional config work to get
there. It's not complicated, but it helps if you've been there and done
that.

And there have been implementations like that, which are
run by idiots. My old ISP insisted on some sort of brain-dead
DNS scheme, where about 30 pairs of machines provided DNS.
And they would *reboot both machines in a pair* on the
same minute at night, knocking out DNS service to the customers
on that particular pair, for around 15 minutes. Talk about
strange designs... Why have redundancy, then reboot both machines
in the pair at the same time ? Boggles the mind.


Yes, that's just stupid on someone's part. Accidents happen, but if it
happened more than once then someone probably isn't doing their job.

Why not have... ten machines in parallel, and boot all
ten at the same time :-/ You know ya wanna.

My current ISP has "a single pair", for which the provisioning
is all hidden. (You cannot discover there are 30 pairs of machines
over time, by studying the DNS addresses it hands out over DHCP.)
You cannot see what goes on, inside the ISP building. I suspect
a kind of "virtualized" DNS scheme, which presents two addresses,
but has some unknown level of "proper" redundancy that we cannot
see. That setup has *never* gone down, that I could detect.


Yup, load-balanced DNS. I've set that up countless times. To the user,
the load balancer appears to be the DNS server, but the actual DNS
servers sit behind the load balancer, shielded from prying eyes and
probing attempts. You add capacity by simply adding servers to the load
balanced pool, and/or you can add geo diversity by adding DNS pools in
different parts of the country or different countries in the world. DNS
requests are typically steered to the local DNS pool, but there are
'follow the sun' scenarios where the country is selected based on local
business hours. Plus a thousand other variations, of course.

The Space Shuttle had five computers, and majority voter logic.
It ran two sets of software. It had a pair of machines on
each software set. And the fifth machine was some sort of
tie breaker. So there are people who have made reliable
solutions before, that actually work... They obviously
didn't hire any staff from my old ISP. If my old ISP
was running the Shuttle, they'd pick the landing cycle
as the time to reboot all five of them.


Our network equipment is very sensitive to being in time sync, (3
seconds nominal, 10 seconds max), so we sort of do the 'majority voter
logic' thing with NTP. The minimum recommended number of NTP servers is
3, because with 1 you'd never know if you can trust it, while with 2 you
wouldn't know which to trust if they were to diverge, so 3 is the
minimum. More are better, but you get into diminishing returns.

Based on stratum, response time, and jitter, a primary and secondary are
automatically and dynamically designated. The primary is used to set the
local time, but the primary is always checked against the secondary. If
they start to diverge, another server from the list is brought in for a
vote. If the third server agrees with the primary, it gets promoted to
secondary, but if the third server agrees with the secondary, the
secondary gets promoted to primary and the third server gets promoted to
secondary.

--

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Old March 5th 19, 11:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 1:45 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Having said that: I just got one of the manifestations of the weirdness
| while I was typing the above paragraph, I turned AllChars off (didn't
| uninstall it), and I got my typing back! So, more investigation needed.
| I've just turned AllChars back on, and I can still type - including
| éû?" the odd characters AllChars makes it easy to type.

That could fit with a bad hook. It depends on how they
designed it. Problems might not necessarily seem consistent.
For instance, if the hook didn't pass on the message after
certain keys only, due to an oversight, then you could see
erratic behavior.



Does Windows have a master keyboard reset function?

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Old March 5th 19, 11:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 3/5/19 1:43 PM, T wrote:
On 3/5/19 1:31 PM, T wrote:



This is a long shot, but are you having power problems?Â* Your
lights flicker every so often?


Another long shot.Â* Is your laptop getting rather warm
when this happens?


And another long shot, if you do a "user" log off (not
a reboot) and log back on, does it clear the problem?

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Old March 5th 19, 11:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 03/05/2019 3:18 PM, T wrote:
On 3/5/19 8:40 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/05/2019 3:06 AM, T wrote:
On 3/4/19 7:47 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Baloney Todd, Last place I worked before I retired I had 2 windows
machines running for about two and a half years 24/7/365 with no
shut downs or reboots, They ran my security and door card reader
systems and where not allowed to shut down, they were critical
systems. You are spreadingÂ*FUD,Â*andÂ*itsÂ*notÂ*appreciated.


Rene

Seriously Rene. Your computers ran a single app. and from that
you surmised that I am spreading FUD?

I am curious about your system.

In 2-1/2 years you never had a power hit?Â* What kind of power
protection were you running.


An 1800 watt UPSÂ* Worth about $1400.00


What version of Windows did you run?


I do believe it was XP if I remember correctly


Was it embedded Windows?


No


Did you have Internet access?


No

Did you run any other apps on it?


Only backup Applications.


Did you have updates turned off?


No internet, Thus no updates


Did you have sleep / hibernate enabled?


No, these systems had to run 24/7



Rene


Hi Rene,

Thank you for sharing.Â* It is a very sound design.Â* Makes
perfect sense that it would have run for so long.


It was a very secure system Designed by the RCMP, The chosen system
supplier, My boss and myself.
I was the only person who had access to the system, I ran it, maintained
it and allocated door reader access cards and even our IT department
were not allowed to access it.
No, The internet would never be allowed near a security system. in that
building.


XP and 7 are now pretty stable now.Â* It usually takes about
two years for M$ to clean up their latest offering, unless
they completely drop them and go on to something else.

Windows 10 is an exception as it hasn't gotten any better
in what five And M$ is not about to drop 10 as they did Vista.

Have you been to Walmart lately?Â* Their self service line
are running embedded Windows 10.Â* I scoff watching them
reboot.Â* They should have used embedded Linux.

-T




Rene

 




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