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  #76  
Old March 6th 19, 02:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"T" wrote


Char stalks folks and makes fun of folks when they ask dumb
questions.


Char and Ken and Stan are old-timers who like a sense
of pecking order. Like the regulars at the local bar who are
there mostly because they're regulars and relish being
regulars. They don't like newcomers who haven't paid dues.

I think they all block me. Why? Stan got mad because
I disagreed with him once several years ago. Ken and
Char, I think, got mad about how I was formatting posts.
Again, several years ago. Really it was about speaking up
without being part of the clique. They're not going to
change. There's no reason to concern yourself and no
justification for being nasty.

If you really want their approval then just post as
someone else and say something like, "It's not like the
old days when I ran an Amiga and a Commodore 64."
They'll both be eating out of your hand for the rest of
the month and the thread will go on into the hundreds,
until every detail from punchcards to DOS has been
rehashed once again.... We're all getting old, I'm afraid.

My father used to have a great cartoon on his frig.
A man walking with a little boy in Winter. The snow
drifts are 3+' high. The boy is maybe 3' high. The caption
is the man saying, "This is nothing. When I was a kid
the snow was up over our heads."


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  #77  
Old March 6th 19, 03:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens
across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than others;
if I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance that typing
will be normal in that (but still come back as odd when I alt-tab
back). Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes typing in that has
the problem.


Ah Ha! That is a hardware issue. Typically it is overheating.


Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently in
(say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes you
definitely classify it as a hardware issue.

Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop. If it is not
really hot, your have is slow or stopped.


I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature
readout - currently showing 27) on my vent.

And on the bright side, this might be your excuse to get a
new laptop with one of the 8 times faster NVMe drive!


I still think of this one as my "new" laptop. (It isn't - i3 processor
if the sticker is correct. But it's a lot newer than the XP netbook that
died.)

:-)

I could be wrong.

Yup (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's
difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only
my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it
this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011
  #78  
Old March 6th 19, 03:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 3:50 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
No, but a good guess. It's a laptop, with a reasonable battery -
certainly survives the power lead falling out (which it has a tendency
to*do).


Laptops do come with their own built in UPS'es.


One of the many things I like about them.

Most of the time I find the batteries dead and the
user unwilling to pay for a new one. Does your
battery still work?


What do you think I meant by "reasonable" above?

Also, I am going to say something that will go over a lot of
heads (it would be interesting to see if Paul catches
it -- his knowledge is encyclopedic), UPS'es (and laptop
batteries) do not stop negative power caused by the
current / voltage phase shifting caused by inductive surges.


I started my working life in an electricity supply switchgear
manufacturer, so I know about inductive surges. I just about agree that
the cheaper (i. e. most) UPSs, i. e. the type that just pass through the
power when it's there, probably don't react fast enough (relay time) to
block some supply-line glitches. I don't agree for the sort that are
permanently on battery - which includes laptops.

Any printers or power tools close by? It is a really long


No.

shot. My vote is for an uninitialized variable in Windows.

Could indeed be. (Though - I have been involved with programming at
times - uninitialised variables aren't unique to Windows, of course!)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's
difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only
my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it
this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011
  #79  
Old March 6th 19, 05:11 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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On 3/5/19 5:23 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"T" wrote


Char stalks folks and makes fun of folks when they ask dumb
questions.


Char and Ken and Stan are old-timers who like a sense
of pecking order. Like the regulars at the local bar who are
there mostly because they're regulars and relish being
regulars. They don't like newcomers who haven't paid dues.

I think they all block me. Why? Stan got mad because
I disagreed with him once several years ago. Ken and
Char, I think, got mad about how I was formatting posts.
Again, several years ago. Really it was about speaking up
without being part of the clique. They're not going to
change. There's no reason to concern yourself and no
justification for being nasty.

If you really want their approval then just post as
someone else and say something like, "It's not like the
old days when I ran an Amiga and a Commodore 64."
They'll both be eating out of your hand for the rest of
the month and the thread will go on into the hundreds,
until every detail from punchcards to DOS has been
rehashed once again.... We're all getting old, I'm afraid.


I vaguely remember CP/M. I hated punch cards.

My father used to have a great cartoon on his frig.
A man walking with a little boy in Winter. The snow
drifts are 3+' high. The boy is maybe 3' high. The caption
is the man saying, "This is nothing. When I was a kid
the snow was up over our heads."



I have noticed in my over 50 years in electronics that
when folks get all arrogant and clubby like that, it
is a cover for incompetence. And if you notice closely,
they never "actually" help anyone. They remind me of the
ass hole TA's (Teachers Assistants) in college "The
solution is intuitively obvious and left to the student
to solve". (In other words, they did not know themselves.)

Folks that really know what they are doing are like
compressed bottles of air waiting to explode -- finally
someone will understand and listen to me. You can't
get them to shut up when they finally get an audience.
And they love to help others. Finally they get to share.

Oh, my father walked 20 miles to school every day
uphill both ways in waist deep snow (the snow
level grew every year as he did). Its a generational
thing I guess. My grandmother showed me the school
out her front door and the drainage ditches he use
to ice skate to school on. My dad was really ****ed
at my grandmother. Chuckle. Good Times!

Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't
mind, it doesn't matter.
--Mark Twain

:-)

  #80  
Old March 6th 19, 05:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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On 3/5/19 6:16 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens
across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than others;
ifÂ* I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance that typing
will beÂ* normal in that (but still come back as odd when I alt-tab
back).Â* Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes typing in that has
the problem.


Ah Ha!Â* That is a hardware issue.Â* Typically it is overheating.


Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently in
(say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes you
definitely classify it as a hardware issue.


It depends on how the failure affect different programs. Do
you have a PE USB stick you can run your computer off to
see if the problem reoccurs? Gardalf makes great one.


Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop.Â* If it is not
really hot, your have is slow or stopped.


I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature
readout - currently showing 27) on my vent.


Opps, forgot that part.

A better test:

Speed Fan:
http://almico.com/sfdownload.php

shows CPU and GPU (Graphics processor) temperatures

Then again, if a reboot fixed it and your never power it off to cool
down, then it is not a temperature problem.


And on the bright side, this might be your excuse to get a
new laptop with one of the 8 times faster NVMe drive!


I still think of this one as my "new" laptop. (It isn't - i3 processor
if the sticker is correct. But it's a lot newer than the XP netbook that
died.)


I usually double the age my customers tell me their computers are.
One customer I started a dates spreadsheet. Eventually she wanted
the sheet too so she could check herself. Suddenly two hears
old became seven. Chuckle.


:-)

I could be wrong.

Yup (-:


What ??!?!?? NEVER!!! Well, maybe sometimes.

Intermittents are the biggest pains in the ass to figure out.


  #81  
Old March 6th 19, 05:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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On 3/5/19 6:30 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 3:50 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
No, but a good guess. It's a laptop, with a reasonable battery -
certainly survives the power lead falling out (which it has a
tendency toÂ*do).


Laptops do come with their own built in UPS'es.


One of the many things I like about them.

Most of the time I find the batteries dead and the
user unwilling to pay for a new one.Â* Does your
battery still work?


What do you think I meant by "reasonable" above?


No judgment was meant. I often get told batteries work when the
customer has no idea they have failed. I just wanted you to double
check. I don't think it is the issue though. I am just covering
all the bases.


Also, I am going to say something that will go over a lot of
heads (it would be interesting to see if Paul catches
it -- his knowledge is encyclopedic), UPS'es (and laptop
batteries) do not stop negative power caused by the
current / voltage phase shifting caused by inductive surges.


I started my working life in an electricity supply switchgear
manufacturer, so I know about inductive surges. I just about agree that
the cheaper (i. e. most) UPSs, i. e. the type that just pass through the
power when it's there, probably don't react fast enough (relay time) to
block some supply-line glitches. I don't agree for the sort that are
permanently on battery - which includes laptops.


You are one of the few. More draw a mental picture of two sine wave
overlapping each other. Call one voltage and one current. Notice that
if you multiply them (wattage) that they are always zero or positive
along their path.

Now move one over on the graph to simulate an inductive surge. At
this point you two negatives and positives during a cycle, giving
you negative power spikes per cycle. Sucks the power backwards
out of your equipment. Haven't come across a UPS that can handle
it yet. Fortunately I have only seen it happen once on a grand scale
during a weird power event across a city. EVERY computer rebooted.
It was caused by some YUGE grid crossover foul up.


Any printers or power tools close by?Â* It is a really long


No.

shot.Â* My vote is for an uninitialized variable in Windows.

Could indeed be. (Though - I have been involved with programming at
times - uninitialised variables aren't unique to Windows, of course!)


When I wrote in Modula 2, I had to become obsessed with initializing
EVERYTHING. I don't have to worry about that anymore in Perl 6.





  #82  
Old March 6th 19, 10:42 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 6:16 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens
across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than others;
if* I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance that typing
will be* normal in that (but still come back as odd when I alt-tab
back).* Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes typing in that has the problem.

Ah Ha!* That is a hardware issue.* Typically it is overheating.

Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently
in (say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes you
definitely classify it as a hardware issue.


It depends on how the failure affect different programs. Do


I'm not letting you get away with this one. How can my saying the
problem appears with different degrees in different programs make you
say with such certainty that it's a hardware problem? (If anything, I'd
have said it shows the opposite!)

you have a PE USB stick you can run your computer off to
see if the problem reoccurs? Gardalf makes great one.

No I don't. Creating an entire duplicate of my system - Windows, and all
the software I use - sounds like a horrendous task. Not to mention the
matter of keeping the two in step.

Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop.* If it is not
really hot, your have is slow or stopped.

I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature
readout - currently showing 27) on my vent.


Opps, forgot that part.

A better test:

Speed Fan:
http://almico.com/sfdownload.php

shows CPU and GPU (Graphics processor) temperatures


Actually, shows the readouts from whatever temperature sensors it can
find. I think. I already have it (4.52), and currently it's showing HD0
39C, Temp1 64C, Core 0 59C, Core 1 58C. (I don't know where Temp1 is.)
External sucker is showing 30.

Then again, if a reboot fixed it and your never power it off to cool
down, then it is not a temperature problem.

From the way it behaves, I'm pretty sure it is triggered by user action
(though that doesn't mean it isn't a fault).
[]
I could be wrong.

Yup (-:


What ??!?!?? NEVER!!! Well, maybe sometimes.


(-:

Intermittents are the biggest pains in the ass to figure out.


In domestic electronics, usually a loose connection. Right pain.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you can't construct a coherent argument for the other side, you probably
don't understand your own opinion. - Scott Adams, 2015
  #83  
Old March 6th 19, 10:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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On 3/6/19 1:42 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 6:16 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 3/5/19 4:22 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
When it (odd keyboard behaviour) has decided to happen, it happens
across several prog.s - though some seem more sensitive than
others; ifÂ* I alt-tab to Notepad+, for example, there's a chance
that typing will beÂ* normal in that (but still come back as odd
when I alt-tab back).Â* Notepad+ is not immune, though - sometimes
typing in that hasÂ* the problem.

Ah Ha!Â* That is a hardware issue.Â* Typically it is overheating.
Â*Eh? Please explain how the fact that the quirk manifests differently
inÂ* (say) Notepad+ and (say) Turnpike [my news/email client] makes
you definitely classify it as a hardware issue.


It depends on how the failure affect different programs.Â* Do


I'm not letting you get away with this one. How can my saying the
problem appears with different degrees in different programs make you
say with such certainty that it's a hardware problem? (If anything, I'd
have said it shows the opposite!)

you have a PE USB stick you can run your computer off to
see if the problem reoccurs?Â* Gardalf makes great one.

No I don't. Creating an entire duplicate of my system - Windows, and all
the software I use - sounds like a horrendous task. Not to mention the
matter of keeping the two in step.

Place you hand over the fan vent on your laptop.Â* If it is not
really hot, your have is slow or stopped.
Â*I've already told you, I have an external sucker (with a temperature
readout - currently showing 27) on my vent.


Opps, forgot that part.

A better test:

Speed Fan:
Â*Â*Â* http://almico.com/sfdownload.php

shows CPU and GPU (Graphics processor) temperatures


Actually, shows the readouts from whatever temperature sensors it can
find. I think. I already have it (4.52), and currently it's showing HD0
39C, Temp1 64C, Core 0 59C, Core 1 58C. (I don't know where Temp1 is.)
External sucker is showing 30.

Then again, if a reboot fixed it and your never power it off to cool
down, then it is not a temperature problem.

From the way it behaves, I'm pretty sure it is triggered by user action
(though that doesn't mean it isn't a fault).
[]
I could be wrong.

Yup (-:


What ??!?!??Â* NEVER!!!Â* Well, maybe sometimes.


(-:

Intermittents are the biggest pains in the ass to figure out.


In domestic electronics, usually a loose connection. Right pain.


At this point until you figure out how to reproduce the issue,
I think I should butt out. Too much speculation on my part
is not helpful. Sorry I could not have been more help.



  #84  
Old March 6th 19, 11:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , T writes:
[re my intermittent keyboard odd behaviour]
At this point until you figure out how to reproduce the issue,
I think I should butt out. Too much speculation on my part
is not helpful. Sorry I could not have been more help.

Fair enough; I've more or less given up, too. Fortunately it doesn't
happen often enough to be a major pain - and when it does, fiddling with
the system usually makes it go away again.


Thanks for your trying!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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  #85  
Old March 6th 19, 11:43 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
T
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On 3/6/19 2:08 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
ThanksÂ*forÂ*yourÂ*trying!


You are most welcome. :-)

 




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