Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junk OS

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:40:30 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

nospam wrote:
Bill wrote:

There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's
30%-take from the sale of every app built for an Apple device
(which are apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App
Store").

google and microsoft app stores also take 30%

I can buy a Kindle ebook from inside the Android Kindle app. And I can buy a
Kindle ebook from inside the Windows Kindle app.

But I can't buy an ebook from inside the iOS Kindle app. I have to transfer
to the Safari browser to buy it from the Amazon site. I've read that it's
because Amazon doesn't want to pay Apple's fee. When the big guys have a
****ing contest it's a PITA for the customer...

When the big guys aren't in competition, they collude to screw the
customer...

Bill wrote:

John Doe wrote:

As it turned out, ultraports flourished, so Microsoft does not
control every type of personal computer. Now that decision seems
justified, no problem now.

There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's
30%-take from the sale of every app built for an Apple device
(which are apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App
Store"). Many developers claim "monopoly". I am not a developer
but from what I have seen and heard, I tend to side with them.

I remember that Supreme Court case. I believe the decision came out
for the plaintiff, against Apple.

After looking... It wasn't the full case. It was just saying Apple
customers can proceed as a class action. The full case will take
years.

On 2020-06-25 7:53 p.m., Bill wrote:
John Doe wrote:
As it turned out, ultraports flourished,
so Microsoft does not control every type of personal computer. Now that
decision seems justified, no problem now.



There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's 30%-take
from the sale of every app built for an Apple device (which are
apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App Store").Â*Â*Â* Many
developers claim "monopoly".Â* I am not a developer but from what I have
seen and heard, I tend to side with them.

For iOS... ...sure.

Apple developed a whole new thing and they are allowed to have a
monopoly on it.

For Mac OS, you don't need to use the App Store.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 02:28:34 -0400, "Andy" wrote:

For those who use a tablet or cell phone to do all.
the rest of us who use a normal desk top and lap top windows is worth it

Starting with Android 10, Google supports desktop mode for Android,
pioneered by Samsung with Dex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgriesTS4u4
EMUI Desktop Vs Samsung Dex Vs Android 10 Desktop (EMUI P40 pro Vs One
UI S20 Vs V60 Desktop Mode)

In article , Alan Baker
wrote:


There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's 30%-take
from the sale of every app built for an Apple device (which are
apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App Store").*** Many
developers claim "monopoly".* I am not a developer but from what I have
seen and heard, I tend to side with them.

For iOS... ...sure.

actually, apps can be sideloaded on ios.

Apple developed a whole new thing and they are allowed to have a
monopoly on it.

ios has ~20% of worldwide market share versus android (depending on
whose numbers) and not in any way a monopoly.

For Mac OS, you don't need to use the App Store.

yep.

as with everything, there are advantages and disadvantages in using it.

On 25/06/2020 07:24, Andy wrote:

Might be junk OS to you but those who use and like it its worth it


In that case why don't you use PhoenixOS.Â* they have an English version
created for people like you.Â* It's a Chinese product so you know it's
completely safe!!

http://www.phoenixos.com/en/download_x86

Use Mega download because Google Link is pretty busy.

I don't use it and I haven't downloaded it either so don't know if it is
64 bit or 32 bit.


--
With over 1.2 billion devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On 26/06/2020 04:35, nospam wrote:
using the app store isn't required. there are alternate distribution
methods, except that those costs don't go away. which one is more
profitable depends on many factors.

True for Google and Microsoft I know but doesn't Apple lock down their
iPhones to that it's very hard to install an app in any other way that
getting it from the Apple app store?

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 26/06/2020 19:32, Brian Gregory wrote:
True for Google and Microsoft I know but doesn't Apple lock down their
iPhones to that it's very hard to install an app in any other way that
getting it from the Apple app store?

Oops.

s/ any other way that / any other way than /

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 20:13:20 +0200, Michael Logies
wrote:

Starting with Android 10, Google supports desktop mode for Android,
pioneered by Samsung with Dex.

Here another nice video on Dex:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOLK9bu0ZA
LONDON
Samsung Dex Review - Can I edit a video?
21.07.2019

I have a Xiaomi Mi 8 which I cannot connect to an external monitor
because of its incomplete USB-C-implementation, MHL is missing. But
it`s easy to connect an external keyboard and mouse und use RDP for
Android from Microsoft to connect to my PC in office (over Hamachi,
www.vpn.net). I don`t need more when I`m on vacation. My Windows
laptop can stay at home.

In article , Brian
Gregory wrote:

using the app store isn't required. there are alternate distribution
methods, except that those costs don't go away. which one is more
profitable depends on many factors.

True for Google and Microsoft I know but doesn't Apple lock down their
iPhones to that it's very hard to install an app in any other way that
getting it from the Apple app store?

it's not immediately obvious, but it's not that hard for those who
might choose to do so.

android is only play store apps unless a setting is changed, which is
also not immediately obvious.

microsoft, on the other hand, locked things down with windows 10s to
*only* their app store and the only way to remove that restriction was
to upgrade to the full windows 10 for $50. however, they have since
made that free.

On 2020-06-26 11:17 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Baker
wrote:


There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's 30%-take
from the sale of every app built for an Apple device (which are
apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App Store").Â*Â*Â* Many
developers claim "monopoly".Â* I am not a developer but from what I have
seen and heard, I tend to side with them.

For iOS... ...sure.

actually, apps can be sideloaded on ios.

It's an edge case.

It doesn't really change anything.


Apple developed a whole new thing and they are allowed to have a
monopoly on it.

ios has ~20% of worldwide market share versus android (depending on
whose numbers) and not in any way a monopoly.

One can choose to see it that way.


For Mac OS, you don't need to use the App Store.

yep.

as with everything, there are advantages and disadvantages in using it.

In article , Alan Baker
wrote:

There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's 30%-take
from the sale of every app built for an Apple device (which are
apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App Store").*** Many
developers claim "monopoly".* I am not a developer but from what I have
seen and heard, I tend to side with them.

For iOS... ...sure.

actually, apps can be sideloaded on ios.

It's an edge case.

for a typical end user, perhaps, but it's very common for internal
corporate app deployments for their employees, which completely
bypasses the app store.

there are also other less common methods.

It doesn't really change anything.

it does, because the claim that it's impossible to use an ios app
outside of the app store is false.

it's also false for mac os, always has been and always will be.

nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Baker
wrote:

There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's 30%-take
from the sale of every app built for an Apple device (which are
apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App Store").Â*Â*Â* Many
developers claim "monopoly".Â* I am not a developer but from what I have
seen and heard, I tend to side with them.

For iOS... ...sure.

actually, apps can be sideloaded on ios.

It's an edge case.

for a typical end user, perhaps, but it's very common for internal
corporate app deployments for their employees, which completely
bypasses the app store.

there are also other less common methods.

It doesn't really change anything.

it does, because the claim that it's impossible to use an ios app
outside of the app store is false.

I'm not sure "impossible" is the relevant standard.
Preferring to avoid anything "Apple", I didn't make a claim, I used
the word evidently. In retrospect, as far as I-phones are concerned, it
seems mostly correct, and what a
reasonable person would think, based upon a preponderance of the
evidence. In other words, use a "civil" standard rather than a "beyond
a shadow of a doubt" standard. Being pedogogically-literal on Usenet,
like in a math book, mostly seems to result in wasted keystrokes. We
haven't even established what is in evidence, and that we are all aware
of it. As I am not an Apple fan, I'm not the most-informed one to speak
about what exactly Apple does or doesn't do... I only brought up the
case against Apple for the sake of discussion (without me being an
expert witness). If you use words like "impossible" without further
detail, it's hard to gain anything from that. Ironically, most Apple
fans don't seem of the sort who seem anxious to decipher a grammar like
you do.

"Bill" wrote

| I'm not sure "impossible" is the relevant standard.
| Preferring to avoid anything "Apple", I didn't make a claim, I used
| the word evidently. In retrospect, as far as I-phones are concerned, it
| seems mostly correct, and what a
| reasonable person would think, based upon a preponderance of the
| evidence. In other words, use a "civil" standard rather than a "beyond
| a shadow of a doubt" standard. Being pedogogically-literal on Usenet,
| like in a math book, mostly seems to result in wasted keystrokes.

You're wasting those keystrokes. Nospam will argue
with you as long as you keep responding. If you say
the sky is blue he'll respond with something like, "Wrong!
Clouds are white!" He'll switch topic, context... whatever
it takes to argue that you're wrong and he's right.

You can get a taste of Apple's sleaze and control if
you look up the latest app idiocy called "Hey". It's been
in the news for the past week. $100/year
gets you email filters. They had a standoff with Apple
because Apple wants a cut of not only the sale but also
the "in app purchases". The Heysters refused to pay.
Somehow it got ironed out. Apparently Apple gave in.
Or maybe they just decided that Hey was such a ridiculous
idea that it's sure to die soon. Hey promises privacy.
That's a good one.

Can people bypass Apple?
Yes. That's what jailbreaking means. It's a hack that
one usually pays others to do. Then, of course, you're
out of Apple's good graces, so good luck if you need
help.

So can someone use unauthorized apps? In theory,
yes. Just as in theory one can run Win10 without it
getting updated. There are ways to accomplish it. But
it's not a realistic option for most people. And for virtually
all developers, it's a pay-to-play scenario, if you can
even get your software into their store. But there are
plenty of people willing to pay.

Apple prioritizes their control in all areas. The ifixit site
often gives them low ratings on repairability as well, citing
tricks like embedding the innards of their notebooks in
plastic resin to make them unrepairable. Apple even
invented their own irregular screw head design, to thwart
people.
You can find out all about that ugly story by searching for
something like: apple right to repair

There are pros and cons there. Apple is a sleazeball
operation that exploits its customers and runs a monopoly.
Every aspect of their business is despicable: Hiding
money offshore to avoid taxes. Building their devices with
virtual slave labor.... When an interviewer asked Timmy Cook
about making iPhones in the US he evaded the question
and pulled a Mr. Rogers, saying something like, "iPhones
are made by the whole world." He explained that the various
parts come from all over, characterizing Apple's exploitation
as some kind of sweetie pie multiculturalism.

They're very good at maintaining a public image as
family-friendly nice guys who specialize in rainbows
and unicorns.

But what
you get for your money is a well made device, beautifully
put together. Since they control everything there are
few glitches. It's AOL. You pay through the nose to be
spoonfed. You put up with insufferable sleaze. But it's safe
and stable, for the most part. (AOL was brilliant at
protecting people from online risks. Their browser was
actually a hacked version of IE with most of the settings
options removed.)
The only problem is that Apple users are mostly tech-
ignorant. They're sitting ducks if a bug does get through.
But Apple, like AOL, does a pretty good job of isolating
the users from the outside world.

Is Android better? Google spies at least as much as
Apple. Their "store" is more open, but also more risky.
Less secure. And the fact that it's Linux underneath is
academic. Android is their own creation; closed open
source. For the average person who's not an Android
programmer, an Android phone is a locked down, spyware
tracking collar that's often attacked by malware. But
there is one advantage: With the money left over from
buying an Android phone, as opposed to an iPhone, you
can buy yourself a couple of TV sets.

I think a case could be made that we're in early days
and eventually there will have to be something like breaking
up Ma Bell. A handful of tech companies are monopolizing
the computing medium itself. They need to be stopped.
But so far they've been allowed free reign. So there's no
device or operating system or mainstream service that
isn't lock-in sleaze at this point. Look at Facebook. People
have got used to watching ads and having their access
controlled in exchange for the right to talk to their friends.
How did that happen? People want convenience and Zuck
saw a buck to be made. So now he pelts their "feed" with
any old thing that will keep them excited so that they don't
walk away from the trough.

It's all sleazy profit motive with no common decency.
Microsoft, undersdtandably, saw those opportunities and
they want in. They don't just want to sell software. They
want to sell software usage.

So you can't win, unless you want to use the Linux
do-it-yourself kit. But the people who sell you that won't
help you put it together. You won't find much software.
You won't find backward compatibility or longterm support.
Their motto is something like "Free people do their own
compiling". Non-geeks are losers who don't deserve their
freedom.

In article , Bill
wrote:

There seems to be a lot of discussion recently over Apple's 30%-take
from the sale of every app built for an Apple device (which are
apparently necessarily purchased through Apple's "App Store").*** Many
developers claim "monopoly".* I am not a developer but from what I have
seen and heard, I tend to side with them.

For iOS... ...sure.

actually, apps can be sideloaded on ios.

It's an edge case.

for a typical end user, perhaps, but it's very common for internal
corporate app deployments for their employees, which completely
bypasses the app store.

there are also other less common methods.

It doesn't really change anything.

it does, because the claim that it's impossible to use an ios app
outside of the app store is false.

I'm not sure "impossible" is the relevant standard.

the claim that it's impossible to sideload on ios is false.

Preferring to avoid anything "Apple", I didn't make a claim, I used
the word evidently.

if you didn't avoid anything apple (no need for quotes), then you'd be
familiar with how things actually work rather than guess based on
myths.

In retrospect, as far as I-phones are concerned, it
seems mostly correct,

it's mostly correct for android too, which is also designed around a
single app store, aka the google play store.

it is true that it's easier to sideload on android, but it can also be
done on ios.

sideloading also brings additional risk of malicious apps, and for
typical users, it's best to not bother.