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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junk OS
nospam wrote:
In article , Bill wrote: My familiarity is based upon watching others, and what I learn when I hear someone talking about it or when I read about it (which is increasingly often!) At this point I don't use "Anything Apple", and I fully intend to keep it that way. in other words, your familiarity is *not* from direct experience, which was my point. with direct experience, you'd realize that a lot of the myths are just that, myths. From my in-direct experience, I've seen and heard all I need to know about whether I wish to buy Apple products. I don't wish to support computer-illiteracy. YMMV. that makes zero sense. Sort of like people who drive a car, but have no idea how it works. When you take away knowledge from people, you may them rather dependent. I think Apple likes that model; I don't. Besides for our disagreement about the facts, our conflict in ideals is about as simple as that. Personally, I build computers with very good components that last for years, and to my chosen specifications. Apple seems to encourage it's users to upgrade their hardware much more often, to say the least, and and there customers don't get much choice. And it seems to discourage repair in favor of replacement. By comparison, I've maintained my PCs with little hardship, without a trip to the Apple Store--and I like it that way, particular the last part. Go NewEgg.com! YMMV. |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junk OS
In article , Bill
wrote: From my in-direct experience, I've seen and heard all I need to know about whether I wish to buy Apple products. I don't wish to support computer-illiteracy. YMMV. that makes zero sense. Sort of like people who drive a car, but have no idea how it works. which is pretty much everyone who owns a car. there is no need to understand how a car works internally just to go to work, school or wherever. however, nothing prevents someone from learning about how cars work, how to repair them or even design them, if that's what they want. When you take away knowledge from people, you may them rather dependent. I think Apple likes that model; I don't. you think wrong. apple does not like nor have that model and it's not something they want either. apple actually *encourages* people to learn about how things work internally, if that's what they want. Besides for our disagreement about the facts, our conflict in ideals is about as simple as that. you haven't presented any facts. just a bunch of myths that are easily shown to be false. Personally, I build computers with very good components that last for years, and to my chosen specifications. that's great, but you're in a minority. just about everyone buys a pre-built system, particularly laptops, tablets and phones, all of which greatly outsell desktops. Apple seems to encourage it's users to upgrade their hardware much more often, to say the least, and and there customers don't get much choice. And it seems to discourage repair in favor of replacement. also false. apple goes well out of its way so that users can continue to use the hardware they have as long as possible. By comparison, I've maintained my PCs with little hardship, without a trip to the Apple Store--and I like it that way, particular the last part. Go NewEgg.com! YMMV. that's great, except that there's not a lot to fix inside a laptop or phone. |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
On 2020-06-30 8:22 p.m., Bill wrote:
nospam wrote: In article , Bill wrote: My familiarity is based upon watching others, and what I learn when I hear someone talking about it or when I read about it (which is increasingly often!) At this point I don't use "Anything Apple", and I fully intendÂ* to keep it that way. in other words, your familiarity is *not* from direct experience, which was my point. with direct experience, you'd realize that a lot of the myths are just that, myths. Â* From my in-direct experience, I've seen and heard all I need to know about whether I wish to buy Apple products.Â* I don't wish to support computer-illiteracy. YMMV. that makes zero sense. Sort of like people who drive a car, but have no idea how it works. When you take away knowledge from people, you may them rather dependent. I think Apple likes that model; I don't.Â* Besides for our disagreement about the facts, our conflict in ideals is about as simple as that. Personally, I build computers with very good components that last for years, and to my chosen specifications. Apple seems to encourage it's users to upgrade their hardware much more often, to say the least, and and there customers don't get much choice.Â* And it seems to discourage repair in favor of replacement.Â* By comparison, I've maintained my PCs with little hardship, without a trip to the Apple Store--and I like it that way, particular the last part.Â* Go NewEgg.com!Â* YMMV. Do you build your own cars? |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
On 2020-07-03, nospam wrote:
which is pretty much everyone who owns a car. Speak for yourself. It's the ignorant ones who get ripped off at service time because they don't know how anything works. "Sorry, sir/madam, your blinker fluid is shot to hell and you better let us change out those muffler bearings. Your turboencabulator is ready to go and should be renewed as well, we can go with a rebuilt one to save a few bucks. That'll be just $2,000 plus tax." If course if you want to portray ignorance as being a good thing that seems to be an odd position to take, but you are welcome to it. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) The US Census, what info must you give? -- http://censusfacts.info Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org The facts about Climate Change -- http://www.RealClimateScience.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
On 2020-07-03 11:55 a.m., Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-07-03, nospam wrote: which is pretty much everyone who owns a car. Speak for yourself. It's the ignorant ones who get ripped off at service time because they don't know how anything works. "Sorry, sir/madam, your blinker fluid is shot to hell and you better let us change out those muffler bearings. Your turboencabulator is ready to go and should be renewed as well, we can go with a rebuilt one to save a few bucks. That'll be just $2,000 plus tax." If course if you want to portray ignorance as being a good thing that seems to be an odd position to take, but you are welcome to it. What he is saying is that people want to buy things that just work |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junk OS
In article , Roger Blake
wrote: which is pretty much everyone who owns a car. Speak for yourself. It's the ignorant ones who get ripped off at service time because they don't know how anything works. "Sorry, sir/madam, your blinker fluid is shot to hell and you better let us change out those muffler bearings. Your turboencabulator is ready to go and should be renewed as well, we can go with a rebuilt one to save a few bucks. That'll be just $2,000 plus tax." i don't know what mechanics you go to, but nearly all of them are honest. If course if you want to portray ignorance as being a good thing that seems to be an odd position to take, but you are welcome to it. it has nothing to do with ignorance. very few people repair their own vehicles anymore. other than very simple repairs, it's no longer practical or economical, even if someone knows how to do it *and* has the necessary tools, which are often more than just a socket wrench set. also, modern vehicles are *far* more reliable that older ones and don't need anywhere near as many ongoing repairs and adjustments. even simple stuff such as an oil change can sometimes be a major ordeal. i know someone where access to the oil filter required removing the front wheel. he used to do his own oil changes, but that was enough hassle to where he chose to drop it off and let someone else deal with it. i've also seen the battery in the wheel well. batteries don't need to be changed very often, thus the justification in putting it there, but it does make changing the battery into a more involved task. some cars with transverse mounted engines can be difficult to get to half of the spark plugs. in some cases, it requires lifting the engine, which is not something a weekend mechanic is going to want to do, let alone have the equipment or time to do it. many repairs require specialized equipment which an auto shop can justify, but not someone who has to make a one-time repair, and in some cases, that equipment is only available to dealers, not independent repair shops. |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-06-30 8:22 p.m., Bill wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Bill wrote: My familiarity is based upon watching others, and what I learn when I hear someone talking about it or when I read about it (which is increasingly often!) At this point I don't use "Anything Apple", and I fully intendÂ* to keep it that way. in other words, your familiarity is *not* from direct experience, which was my point. with direct experience, you'd realize that a lot of the myths are just that, myths. Â* From my in-direct experience, I've seen and heard all I need to know about whether I wish to buy Apple products.Â* I don't wish to support computer-illiteracy. YMMV. that makes zero sense. Sort of like people who drive a car, but have no idea how it works. When you take away knowledge from people, you may them rather dependent. I think Apple likes that model; I don't.Â* Besides for our disagreement about the facts, our conflict in ideals is about as simple as that. Personally, I build computers with very good components that last for years, and to my chosen specifications. Apple seems to encourage it's users to upgrade their hardware much more often, to say the least, and and there customers don't get much choice.Â* And it seems to discourage repair in favor of replacement.Â* By comparison, I've maintained my PCs with little hardship, without a trip to the Apple Store--and I like it that way, particular the last part.Â* Go NewEgg.com!Â* YMMV. Do you build your own cars? I know a number of people who do. But the building side only appears to make sense after significant fixed costs. OTOH, I took care of two maintenance "repairs" this week for a relative. How about you? |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-07-03 11:55 a.m., Roger Blake wrote: If course if you want to portray ignorance as being a good thing that seems to be an odd position to take, but you are welcome to it. What he is saying is that people want to buy things that just work I'll let you in on a little secret. You don't have to know everything a mechanic does to fix your own car. You only need to know (or learn) how to fix the one thing that needs fixing on YOUR CAR. And you can "choose your battles". An example that comes to mind is the switch on my glovebox...mine broke, and the dealer wanted $200 to put on a new one, with 2 or 3 screws (I already had the old one off), and that was after I returned in two weeks when the part arrived. I mentioned that I saw the part new on Ebay for $40 and offered them $100, but they declined. So the part arrived at my door in 3 days, and with a bit of reading online, I installed the switch (transferring the key-mechanism from the old to the new part was the only tricky part--and it was just that, it wasn't time consuming). As far, as things that "just work"--friction makes all mechanical things break at some point. E.g. the transmission in my self-propelling lawnmower. Replacing that part myself made it much easier to replace the cable to wore out a few years later. If you always search for someone else to solve your problems, then you remain a "suckling" (to use my dad's word). Another thing he said is that "There's no problem so small that you can't throw a lot of money at it...". I have observed that the statement is more true than not. As far as building or reworking on a PC desktop, a couple of screwdrivers is most of the "tooling" that you need. Admittedly, I found it desirable to take a hacksaw to the inside of my case the last time around, to help reduce air resistance and thus it's audio volume (which I found whiney). I wonder if that "mod" would void my warranty on a new PC? : ) It is a Corsair case too, maybe $160, surprising me that it possessed this "flaw". But everyone should (IMHO) own a hacksaw and a couple of screwdrivers. In short, taking care of your own stuff is a choice and a lifestyle. This applies to basic plumbing, and many other things (like to put up a new wall?). Try not to be a "suckling" any more than or any longer than you have to! : ) I hope this is helpful! |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
On 2020-07-04 2:24 a.m., Bill wrote:
Alan Baker wrote: On 2020-06-30 8:22 p.m., Bill wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Bill wrote: My familiarity is based upon watching others, and what I learn when I hear someone talking about it or when I read about it (which is increasingly often!) At this point I don't use "Anything Apple", and I fully intendÂ* to keep it that way. in other words, your familiarity is *not* from direct experience, which was my point. with direct experience, you'd realize that a lot of the myths are just that, myths. Â* From my in-direct experience, I've seen and heard all I need to know about whether I wish to buy Apple products.Â* I don't wish to support computer-illiteracy. YMMV. that makes zero sense. Sort of like people who drive a car, but have no idea how it works. When you take away knowledge from people, you may them rather dependent. I think Apple likes that model; I don't.Â* Besides for our disagreement about the facts, our conflict in ideals is about as simple as that. Personally, I build computers with very good components that last for years, and to my chosen specifications. Apple seems to encourage it's users to upgrade their hardware much more often, to say the least, and and there customers don't get much choice.Â* And it seems to discourage repair in favor of replacement. By comparison, I've maintained my PCs with little hardship, without a trip to the Apple Store--and I like it that way, particular the last part.Â* Go NewEgg.com!Â* YMMV. Do you build your own cars? I know a number of people who do. Really? What are the cars they are building? But the building side only appears to make sense after significant fixed costs.Â* OTOH, I took care of two maintenance "repairs" this week for a relative. How about you? I can do some vehicle repairs and I can do many computer repairs and could even build one if I cared to. I don't care to. Computers are a tool, and most people want their tools to work properly and don't give a damn about understanding how they work much less how to build one. |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
On 2020-07-04 4:12 a.m., Bill wrote:
Alan Baker wrote: On 2020-07-03 11:55 a.m., Roger Blake wrote: If course if you want to portray ignorance as being a good thing that seems to be an odd position to take, but you are welcome to it. What he is saying is that people want to buy things that just work I'll let you in on a little secret.Â* You don't have to know everything a mechanic does to fix your own car.Â* You only need to know (or learn) how to fix the one thing that needs fixing on YOUR CAR. And you can "choose your battles".Â* An example that comes to mind is the switch on my glovebox...mine broke, and the dealer wanted $200 to put on a new one, with 2 or 3 screws (I already had the old one off), and that was after I returned in two weeks when the part arrived.Â* I mentioned that I saw the Â*part new on Ebay for $40 and offered them $100, but they declined. So the part arrived at my door in 3 days, and with a bit of reading online, I installed the switch (transferring the key-mechanism from the old to the new part was the only tricky part--and it was just that, it wasn't time consuming). This is not a secret to me. As far, as things that "just work"--friction makes all mechanical things break at some point. E.g. the transmission in my self-propelling lawnmower.Â* Replacing that part myself made it much easier to replace the cable to wore out a few years later.Â* If you always search for someone else to solve your problems, then you remain a "suckling" (to use my dad's word).Â* Another thing he said is that "There's no problem so small that you can't throw a lot of money at it...".Â* I have observed that the statement is more true than not. As far as building or reworking on a PC desktop, a couple of screwdrivers is most of the "tooling" that you need. Admittedly, I found it desirable to take a hacksaw to the inside of my case the last time around, to help reduce air resistance and thus it's audio volume (which I found whiney). I wonder if that "mod" would void my warranty on a new PC? : )Â*Â* It is a Corsair case too, maybe $160, surprising me that it possessed this "flaw".Â* But everyone should (IMHO) own a hacksaw and a couple of screwdrivers. In short, taking care of your own stuff is a choice and a lifestyle. This applies to basic plumbing, and many other things (like to put up a new wall?).Â* Try not to be a "suckling" any more than or any longer than you have to!Â* : )Â* I hope this is helpful! That's my point. It IS a lifestyle. Hence, pointing to the device as being superior because it supports such a choice is nonsense. |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-07-04 4:12 a.m., Bill wrote: In short, taking care of your own stuff is a choice and a lifestyle. This applies to basic plumbing, and many other things (like to put up a new wall?).Â* Try not to be a "suckling" any more than or any longer than you have to!Â* : )Â* I hope this is helpful! That's my point. It IS a lifestyle. Hence, pointing to the device as being superior because it supports such a choice is nonsense. If you want to be a "suckling" all of your days, then that is your choice. Like you said. I see no reason to support computer-illiteracy, in the "suckling sense". I'll spend my leftover money on other things and try to encourage others to build and repair their own stuff (while making the world "a better place" at the same time). YMMV. |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-07-04 2:24 a.m., Bill wrote: Alan Baker wrote: On 2020-06-30 8:22 p.m., Bill wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Bill wrote: My familiarity is based upon watching others, and what I learn when I hear someone talking about it or when I read about it (which is increasingly often!) At this point I don't use "Anything Apple", and I fully intendÂ* to keep it that way. in other words, your familiarity is *not* from direct experience, which was my point. with direct experience, you'd realize that a lot of the myths are just that, myths. Â* From my in-direct experience, I've seen and heard all I need to know about whether I wish to buy Apple products.Â* I don't wish to support computer-illiteracy. YMMV. that makes zero sense. Sort of like people who drive a car, but have no idea how it works. When you take away knowledge from people, you may them rather dependent. I think Apple likes that model; I don't.Â* Besides for our disagreement about the facts, our conflict in ideals is about as simple as that. Personally, I build computers with very good components that last for years, and to my chosen specifications. Apple seems to encourage it's users to upgrade their hardware much more often, to say the least, and and there customers don't get much choice.Â* And it seems to discourage repair in favor of replacement. By comparison, I've maintained my PCs with little hardship, without a trip to the Apple Store--and I like it that way, particular the last part.Â* Go NewEgg.com!Â* YMMV. Do you build your own cars? I know a number of people who do. Really? What are the cars they are building? Before I answer here is a public forum. You sound like you don't believe me. So I'll ask first, why do you wish to know (and then perhaps I'll post a link). But the building side only appears to make sense after significant fixed costs.Â* OTOH, I took care of two maintenance "repairs" this week for a relative. How about you? I can do some vehicle repairs and I can do many computer repairs and could even build one if I cared to. I don't care to. Computers are a tool, and most people want their tools to work properly and don't give a damn about understanding how they work much less how to build one. I don't think of apathy as such a wonderful virtue as you do. But that is obviously subjective. I suspect you are much younger than me. I earned a graduate degree in computer science while I was working full time, so we apparently approach life much differently. You sound like you might be a "(video) gamer"? |
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On 2020-07-05 3:24 a.m., Bill wrote:
Alan Baker wrote: On 2020-07-04 2:24 a.m., Bill wrote: Alan Baker wrote: On 2020-06-30 8:22 p.m., Bill wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Bill wrote: My familiarity is based upon watching others, and what I learn when I hear someone talking about it or when I read about it (which is increasingly often!) At this point I don't use "Anything Apple", and I fully intendÂ* to keep it that way. in other words, your familiarity is *not* from direct experience, which was my point. with direct experience, you'd realize that a lot of the myths are just that, myths. Â* From my in-direct experience, I've seen and heard all I need to know about whether I wish to buy Apple products.Â* I don't wish to support computer-illiteracy. YMMV. that makes zero sense. Sort of like people who drive a car, but have no idea how it works. When you take away knowledge from people, you may them rather dependent. I think Apple likes that model; I don't.Â* Besides for our disagreement about the facts, our conflict in ideals is about as simple as that. Personally, I build computers with very good components that last for years, and to my chosen specifications. Apple seems to encourage it's users to upgrade their hardware much more often, to say the least, and and there customers don't get much choice.Â* And it seems to discourage repair in favor of replacement. By comparison, I've maintained my PCs with little hardship, without a trip to the Apple Store--and I like it that way, particular the last part.Â* Go NewEgg.com!Â* YMMV. Do you build your own cars? I know a number of people who do. Really? What are the cars they are building? Before I answer here is a public forum.Â* You sound like you don't believe me.Â* So I'll ask first, why do you wish to know (and then perhaps I'll post a link). So you claim to know "a number of people" who actually build their own cars... ....but you don't know a single thing about what kind of cars they are building? Riiiiiight. But the building side only appears to make sense after significant fixed costs.Â* OTOH, I took care of two maintenance "repairs" this week for a relative. How about you? I can do some vehicle repairs and I can do many computer repairs and could even build one if I cared to. I don't care to. Computers are a tool, and most people want their tools to work properly and don't give a damn about understanding how they work much less how to build one. I don't think of apathy as such a wonderful virtue as you do.Â* But that is obviously subjective. I suspect you are much younger than me. I earned a graduate degree in computer science while I was working full time, so we apparently approach life much differently. You sound like you might be a "(video) gamer"? Tell me: Is it apathetic if you buy a refrigerator, but don't know how to repair it? How about a wris****ch? I could go on a long time, but I suspect you get my point. |
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On 2020-07-05 3:13 a.m., Bill wrote:
Alan Baker wrote: On 2020-07-04 4:12 a.m., Bill wrote: In short, taking care of your own stuff is a choice and a lifestyle. This applies to basic plumbing, and many other things (like to put up a new wall?).Â* Try not to be a "suckling" any more than or any longer than you have to!Â* : )Â* I hope this is helpful! That's my point. It IS a lifestyle. Hence, pointing to the device as being superior because it supports such a choice is nonsense. If you want to be a "suckling" all of your days, then that is your choice.Â* Like you said.Â* I see no reason to support computer-illiteracy, in the "suckling sense". I'll spend my leftover money on other things and try to encourage others to build and repair their own stuff (while making the world "a better place" at the same time).Â* YMMV. And when you're stove breaks down, do you fix that yourself? Do you expect that everyone who buys a stove should have the kind of knowledge of them that you apparently expect of people who buy computers? Your car undoubtedly has a computer in it. I'll bet you can't repair that, or even have ever thought about wanting to. Does that make you a suckling? |
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Apple Monopoly? Was: Why is Microsoft wasting time on this junkOS
Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-07-05 3:24 a.m., Bill wrote: Tell me: Is it apathetic if you buy a refrigerator, but don't know how to repair it? You have refrigeration/cooling not only in your home, but in your car too. I'd say if you don't already know how it works, then you haven't been challenging yourself very much. I think you would do well to understand the basic principles of cooling systems whether you choose to own a refrigerator or not. What are you going to do when you move away from home? I replaced the main motor in my home air conditioner when it went out. Could you do that without risk of electrocuting yourself? You would save $550 if you could. Still not worth it to you? |
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