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Installing win10 over W\in 10
I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but
ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) |
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On 2020-06-25 18:23, Micky wrote:
I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) Are you trying to do a wipe and reinstall? |
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Micky wrote:
I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) So I think the summary of what you're saying is, you have a pile of electronic hardware, but it's not a computer any more. Because it does not reliably compute. How will "sneaking up on it" help ? What will be the eventual outcome ? At a critical moment, it'll throw you under the bus. It would be like owning an automobile, with non-working brakes (no fluid, lines cut), punching a hole in the floor boards, so you can stick your feet down to stop. Is it a car any more ? Or a pile of parts for sale ? You need some sort of test utilities to narrow down what hardware is defective. Which is not necessarily easy. Some brands of OEM computer, come with diagnostics on the hard drive. But not many of those are noteworthy. I liked the diagnostics provided on Sun Sparc, because they weren't just "sham diagnostics". The diagnostics were designed to detect trouble. I've purchased diagnostics before, that turned out to be sham routines, and just intended to suck money out of your wallet. The topic is very much "live and learn". Paul |
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:33:54 -0700, T wrote:
On 2020-06-25 18:23, Micky wrote: I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) Are you trying to do a wipe and reinstall? Sorry, in my mind I was conintuing a thread. dI don't want to wipe anything, certainly not my installed program, non-windows programs or my data or settings or anything else, but there may be a windows file that is fowled up. In another thread, someone whose name I can't remember right now said that he fixed a problem similar to mine, BSODs with various reasons, by installing Windows on top of windows. So that's what I want to do. When I tried to do it from the win10 computer itself, it crashed too often to finish, but that won't be a problem if the windows drive is in a dock. After t he install is complete, I'll put it back in the computer. This is an instended use of the windows10 installation file, right?????? Maybe not so often win on top of window, but maybe more often onto a blank drive, but if it is meant to do that, it will do this. |
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On 2020-06-25 19:44, Micky wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:33:54 -0700, T wrote: On 2020-06-25 18:23, Micky wrote: I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) Are you trying to do a wipe and reinstall? Sorry, in my mind I was conintuing a thread. dI don't want to wipe anything, certainly not my installed program, non-windows programs or my data or settings or anything else, but there may be a windows file that is fowled up. In another thread, someone whose name I can't remember right now said that he fixed a problem similar to mine, BSODs with various reasons, by installing Windows on top of windows. So that's what I want to do. When I tried to do it from the win10 computer itself, it crashed too often to finish, but that won't be a problem if the windows drive is in a dock. After t he install is complete, I'll put it back in the computer. This is an instended use of the windows10 installation file, right?????? Maybe not so often win on top of window, but maybe more often onto a blank drive, but if it is meant to do that, it will do this. in place re-installs went out with XP. The best I can find is to open an administrator's cmd and do a sfc /scannow If you are not on build (WinVer.exe) 2004, you can do an in place upgrade with https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO HTH |
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:00:35 -0700, T wrote:
On 2020-06-25 19:44, Micky wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:33:54 -0700, T wrote: On 2020-06-25 18:23, Micky wrote: I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) Are you trying to do a wipe and reinstall? Sorry, in my mind I was conintuing a thread. dI don't want to wipe anything, certainly not my installed program, non-windows programs or my data or settings or anything else, but there may be a windows file that is fowled up. In another thread, someone whose name I can't remember right now said that he fixed a problem similar to mine, BSODs with various reasons, by installing Windows on top of windows. So that's what I want to do. When I tried to do it from the win10 computer itself, it crashed too often to finish, but that won't be a problem if the windows drive is in a dock. After t he install is complete, I'll put it back in the computer. This is an instended use of the windows10 installation file, right?????? Maybe not so often win on top of window, but maybe more often onto a blank drive, but if it is meant to do that, it will do this. in place re-installs went out with XP. The best I can find is to open an administrator's cmd and do a sfc /scannow If you are not on build (WinVer.exe) 2004, you can do an in place upgrade with https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO HTH Thanks and thanks for the prompt reply. I've done SFC and I thought the ver 2004 upgrade might do it, but it didn't. As to in-place reinstalls going out with XP, I found MS pages discussing how to do it with w10. Unfortunately those links are in the problem computer so I can't look at them again right now, and I dont' want to take the time to hunt the web for them, but... They had about 3 major options and one of them had 3 suboptions, one of which was in-place and another was iirc "another computer" I don't know how you can upate another computer without taking the HDD out. The days of running a cable from the sereis port to the other series port are gone, and I don't think you could do it with a USB cable without some additional software. So I'll try it and whether it works or not, I'll be back in the bad computer eventually and I'll look for those pages, see what the exact words were, and if need be google them f or an explanation. And I plan to post back what I learn. |
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:46:42 -0400, Paul
wrote: Micky wrote: I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) So I think the summary of what you're saying is, you have a pile of electronic hardware, but it's not a computer any more. Because it does not reliably compute. How will "sneaking up on it" help ? What will be the eventual outcome ? At a critical moment, it'll throw you under the bus. I don't have any critical moments. If the computer fails, I'll dig out the laptop. It would be like owning an automobile, with non-working brakes (no fluid, lines cut), punching a hole in the No, because a car without brakes is dangerous. floor boards, so you can stick your feet down to stop. Is it a car any more ? Or a pile of parts for sale ? You need some sort of test utilities to narrow down what hardware is defective. Which is not necessarily easy. But I don't have any of those utilities and it's not easy. Some brands of OEM computer, come with diagnostics on the This was a Dell Optiplex 755 or 775 or something but it wasn't win10 originally. Any debugging it has came with a Win10 DVD that the computer shop used to upgrade this for resale. G526mg1 hard drive. But not many of those are noteworthy. I liked the diagnostics provided on Sun Sparc, because they weren't just "sham diagnostics". The diagnostics were designed to detect trouble. I've purchased diagnostics before, that turned out to be sham routines, and just intended to suck money out of your wallet. The topic is very much "live and learn". So that's no solution. Anyhow, this is what I want to do. I posted to find out if whether MS makes it impossible to do, and for hints on how to do it, like whether it's worth waiting until I find the Win7 laptop cord Paul |
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On 2020-06-25 20:10, Micky wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 20:00:35 -0700, T wrote: On 2020-06-25 19:44, Micky wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 18:33:54 -0700, T wrote: On 2020-06-25 18:23, Micky wrote: I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) Are you trying to do a wipe and reinstall? Sorry, in my mind I was conintuing a thread. dI don't want to wipe anything, certainly not my installed program, non-windows programs or my data or settings or anything else, but there may be a windows file that is fowled up. In another thread, someone whose name I can't remember right now said that he fixed a problem similar to mine, BSODs with various reasons, by installing Windows on top of windows. So that's what I want to do. When I tried to do it from the win10 computer itself, it crashed too often to finish, but that won't be a problem if the windows drive is in a dock. After t he install is complete, I'll put it back in the computer. This is an instended use of the windows10 installation file, right?????? Maybe not so often win on top of window, but maybe more often onto a blank drive, but if it is meant to do that, it will do this. in place re-installs went out with XP. The best I can find is to open an administrator's cmd and do a sfc /scannow If you are not on build (WinVer.exe) 2004, you can do an in place upgrade with https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO HTH Thanks and thanks for the prompt reply. I've done SFC and I thought the ver 2004 upgrade might do it, but it didn't. As to in-place reinstalls going out with XP, I found MS pages discussing how to do it with w10. Unfortunately those links are in the problem computer so I can't look at them again right now, and I dont' want to take the time to hunt the web for them, but... They had about 3 major options and one of them had 3 suboptions, one of which was in-place and another was iirc "another computer" I don't know how you can upate another computer without taking the HDD out. The days of running a cable from the sereis port to the other series port are gone, and I don't think you could do it with a USB cable without some additional software. So I'll try it and whether it works or not, I'll be back in the bad computer eventually and I'll look for those pages, see what the exact words were, and if need be google them f or an explanation. And I plan to post back what I learn. Hi Micky, Not to ask too stupid a question, but what is not working right? Maybe the guys here can help you fix it. Also, do you have a spare hard drive you can replace it with and make sure it install W10 okay. Maybe something is wrong with your hardware -T |
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Micky wrote:
Anyhow, this is what I want to do. I posted to find out if whether MS makes it impossible to do, and for hints on how to do it, like whether it's worth waiting until I find the Win7 laptop cord People have tried moving a hard drive with Win10 on it to a foreign computer. And... it didn't lock up. But what else good can I say about it ? If it had an MSA and you had bought some Apps from the "Store", would they still work ? The identify of the machine has changed, because the MAC address of the NIC is different. Yes, it's a computer - but with a "wheel alignment problem". I don't know what happens next. I don't have a clear picture of the side effects of doing this. The Win32 stuff might well run just fine. Paul |
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On 6/25/20 11:10 PM, this is what Micky wrote:
They had about 3 major options and one of them had 3 suboptions, one of which was in-place and another was iirc "another computer" I don't know how you can upate another computer without taking the HDD out. As I understand, update another computer meant you wanted to download the iso so you could move it to another machine. I always thought that the download was normally for the machine and bitwise version you were downloading on, but 'take to another machine' means you need more files. Never gone there so it's just my guess. Al |
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 23:14:21 -0400, Micky wrote:
This was a Dell Optiplex 755 or 775 or something but it wasn't win10 originally. Tried the Dell Supportassist system? https://www.dell.com/support/content.../supportassist -obviously requires a (minimally) working PC first! For in-place reinstall of Windows I use the two commands: (as admin) 1. sfc /scannow 2. dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth (be prepared for a wait!) |
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"Micky" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:46:42 -0400, Paul wrote: Micky wrote: I tried to install win10 over win10, and I was able to get to 60% but ten seconds afterr I moved the mouse so that the screen lit up again, it crashed. And even if it got to 99%, it says it's going to have to start windows several times, and t here's n o way it coud boot even twice in a row without crashing 30 seconds later for one of those times. So I dug out the XP laptop to get back on line, and soon after that I had a new plan: Instead of installing win10 over the win10 IN the computer, I'll take the drve out, put it in a dock, plug the dock into the XP laptop, and run the win10 install program I made using the Media Creator. That's one of the intended uses, isn't it? And since the XP laptop never crashes, and iiuc it won't have to restart anything, since i'm updating what is not the operating system in use, so it will go faster too. Will this work? Will it work better with my win7 laptop? (I'm still looking for the cord for that but I t hink I know where it is.) So I think the summary of what you're saying is, you have a pile of electronic hardware, but it's not a computer any more. Because it does not reliably compute. How will "sneaking up on it" help ? What will be the eventual outcome ? At a critical moment, it'll throw you under the bus. I don't have any critical moments. If the computer fails, I'll dig out the laptop. It would be like owning an automobile, with non-working brakes (no fluid, lines cut), punching a hole in the No, because a car without brakes is dangerous. floor boards, so you can stick your feet down to stop. Is it a car any more ? Or a pile of parts for sale ? You need some sort of test utilities to narrow down what hardware is defective. Which is not necessarily easy. But I don't have any of those utilities and it's not easy. Some brands of OEM computer, come with diagnostics on the This was a Dell Optiplex 755 or 775 or something but it wasn't win10 originally. Any debugging it has came with a Win10 DVD that the computer shop used to upgrade this for resale. G526mg1 hard drive. But not many of those are noteworthy. I liked the diagnostics provided on Sun Sparc, because they weren't just "sham diagnostics". The diagnostics were designed to detect trouble. I've purchased diagnostics before, that turned out to be sham routines, and just intended to suck money out of your wallet. The topic is very much "live and learn". So that's no solution. Anyhow, this is what I want to do. I posted to find out if whether MS makes it impossible to do, and for hints on how to do it, like whether it's worth waiting until I find the Win7 laptop cord Paul Find your laptop cord, fire it up, connect to the internet, and go he https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/16397-repair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade.html I've used this method on a couple of different PCs; one using a DVD made from the ISO file, and another using the Media Creation Tool. All methods assume that you can boot up Windows as an admin. It's not a quick solution- it takes quite some time to complete. But to me it was worth it- saved me from re-installing beau coup plenty programs :-) If you have a working back-up and the "upgrade" fails, you can always restore it back to where you were if the PC doesn't boot. Good idea to have the backups any how, IYKWIM. -- SC Tom |
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On 2020-06-26 01:09, Big Al wrote:
On 6/25/20 11:10 PM, this is what Micky wrote: They had about 3 major options and one of them had 3Â* suboptions, one of which was in-place and another was iirc "another computer"Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* I don't know how you can upate another computer without taking the HDD out. As I understand, update another computer meant you wanted to download the iso so you could move it to another machine.Â*Â* I always thought that the download was normally for the machine and bitwise version you were downloading on, but 'take to another machine' means you need more files. Never gone there so it's just my guess. Al Hi Al, If you are using a Windows machine and go to https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO You will be given the option to create an ISO for everyone or just that particular machine. I'd go for EVERYONE. I have used the flash drives I have the ISO burnt to on multiple machines. -T |
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On 2020-06-26 03:54, SC Tom wrote:
Find your laptop cord, fire it up, connect to the internet, and go he https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/16397-repair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade.html I've used this method on a couple of different PCs; one using a DVD made from the ISO file, and another using the Media Creation Tool. All methods assume that you can boot up Windows as an admin. It's not a quick solution- it takes quite some time to complete. But to me it was worth it- saved me from re-installing beau coup plenty programs :-) If you have a working back-up and the "upgrade" fails, you can always restore it back to where you were if the PC doesn't boot. Good idea to have the backups any how, IYKWIM. Hi Tom, I looked over the link. I have done this several times for people with jammed build upgrades. But never to repair the current build. What I am wondering is, on the following screen, will if still do an in place repair if the build it the same? https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...ion_tool-2.png Also, if the above does work for an in place repair of the same build, what benefit does it give over? 1. sfc /scannow 2. dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth Which I also frequently do. Sometimes I do it from the ISO's command prompt. -T |
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On 2020-06-26 03:18, mechanic wrote:
1. sfc /scannow 2. dism /online /cleanup-image /checkhealth I use the /Restorehealth switch DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth |
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