Windows 10 Updates

Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?

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David

On 02/07/2020 13:11, David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?

Ah! I found this!

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2Y...yzk-970-80.jpg

On 02/07/2020 13:45, David_B wrote:
On 02/07/2020 13:11, David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?

Ah! I found this!

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/2Y...yzk-970-80.jpg

Before dabbling in the Registry, make a backup of anything important, as
making a mistake can cause problems for your PC.

Now, type 'regedit' into the Windows 10 search bar and click the top
result. Navigate to the following path in the left-hand column:
'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWARE Policies Microsoft Windows'.

Right-click on the Windows folder and click 'New Key'. Name it
'WindowsUpdate' and press 'Enter'.

Right-click in this and click 'New Key', then name this entry AU and
press 'Enter'. On the right-hand side of this entry, right-click and
click 'New DWORD (32-bit) Value)'. Name this entry 'NoAutoUpdate' and
press 'Enter'.

Once you’ve created this, double-click the new entry and change the 0 to
a 1 in the 'Value data' box. Click 'OK' and restart your PC.

https://www.techradar.com/uk/how-to/...dows-10-update

David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?


Generally, no.

You can "defer" updates.

Which isn't really the level of control that people expect.

And fiddling the Windows Update service is not the whole story
either. The USO service and task scheduler entries exist, so
that the OS has the ability to monitor what you've done to the
Windows Update service. If you stopped the service, the task
scheduler entries *could* put Windows Update back into service.

So yes, if you need a hobby, you can fiddle around with
stuff, but not with any expectation it will stay the
way you put it. With an Upgrade every six months, there
is always an opportunity to "put things right" again.

Paul

On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:09:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?


Generally, no.

You can "defer" updates.

Which isn't really the level of control that people expect.

I used Winaero Tweaker to disable updates for over a year on one of my
physical PCs. Just a few days ago I finally released the hold and upgraded
from 1809 to 1909. My assumption is that if I hadn't manually intervened, I
could have stayed at 1809 indefinitely. AFAIK, the primary thing Winaero
does is to disable the WU service, but there could be more, I suppose.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:09:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?

Generally, no.

You can "defer" updates.

Which isn't really the level of control that people expect.

I used Winaero Tweaker to disable updates for over a year on one of my
physical PCs. Just a few days ago I finally released the hold and upgraded
from 1809 to 1909. My assumption is that if I hadn't manually intervened, I
could have stayed at 1809 indefinitely. AFAIK, the primary thing Winaero
does is to disable the WU service, but there could be more, I suppose.


Ordinarily services have:

1) start/stop control, for manual control.
2) Up to three abnormal endings of the service,
you can specify what to do. Most of the time,
a service is set to "restart". Some services really
end when you tell them to end, and the restart
capability is not used. Once you kill a service three
times, it's supposed to remain stopped.

However, some of the Windows services, seem to be started by
something else. Even if you kill the service three times,
it doesn't stay disabled. The Search Indexer is an example of
a service that doesn't take No for an answer.

I don't trust Microsoft to implement *any* control in the registry
in a straightforward way. If it happens for you, great. But can
it be trusted ? If we ask the question a year from now, would
it still work ?

Say you really really had to keep updates disabled.
What are the odds updates will come in when you least
expect it ?

These are not ordinary controls. They're more "suggested servings",
intended to annoy.

You could keep a process running, in a loop, giving an unwanted
service the boot. Yes, you could do it that way.

Paul

On 02/07/2020 18:09, Paul wrote:
David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?


Generally, no.

You can "defer" updates.

Which isn't really the level of control that people expect.

And fiddling the Windows Update service is not the whole story
either. The USO service and task scheduler entries exist, so
that the OS has the ability to monitor what you've done to the
Windows Update service. If you stopped the service, the task
scheduler entries *could* put Windows Update back into service.

So yes, if you need a hobby, you can fiddle around with
stuff, but not with any expectation it will stay the
way you put it. With an Upgrade every six months, there
is always an opportunity to "put things right" again.


Thanks, Paul.

You've confirmed what I thought - things *HAVE* changed from the days of
Windows 95 , Windows XP and even Windows 8.1 ;-)

I've been challenging the expertise of a local computer shop. The owner
told me that he never updates the machines of his customers who are
using Windows 10 and never even checks which Version of the software is
installed. shakes head

He was adamant that it didn't matter - because he disables the Update
mechanism in the Registry!

I'll not be taking MY computer there for any servicing! ;-)

--
Kind regards,
David

On 2020-07-02 05:11, David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?


Hi David,

Now "how" you asked for it, BUT WHEN DOES THAT STOP ME!
Lucky you.

-- winR
-- services.msc
-- scroll down to "Windows Update" and double click on it
-- disable the sucker in "Startup type"
click "Stop"
click "OK"

You can also do it by shutting EVERYTING off (what I do)
with Shut Up 10. A reboot is required:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

-T

On 02/07/2020 21:30, T wrote:
On 2020-07-02 05:11, David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10 operating
system from Updating?


Hi David,

Now "how" you asked for it, BUT WHEN DOES THAT STOP ME!
Lucky you.

-- winR
Â* -- services.msc
Â*Â*Â* --Â* scroll down to "Windows Update" and double click on it
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* -- disable the sucker in "Startup type"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* click "Stop"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* click "OK"

You can also do it by shutting EVERYTING off (what I do)
with Shut Up 10.Â* A reboot is required:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Thanks 'T' :-)

Are over-riding what Paul has said?

Will your method 'stand the test' of the next major Windows Update?

In other word, an adjusted computer, as you intimate, will NEVER update
again? Is that right?

On 2020-07-03 12:58, David_B wrote:
On 02/07/2020 21:30, T wrote:
On 2020-07-02 05:11, David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10
operating system from Updating?


Hi David,

Now "how" you asked for it, BUT WHEN DOES THAT STOP ME!
Lucky you.

-- winR
Â*Â* -- services.msc
Â*Â*Â*Â* --Â* scroll down to "Windows Update" and double click on it
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* -- disable the sucker in "Startup type"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* click "Stop"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* click "OK"

You can also do it by shutting EVERYTING off (what I do)
with Shut Up 10.Â* A reboot is required:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Thanks 'T' :-)

Are over-riding what Paul has said?

Usually Paul is more accurate than me. He is somewhat
brilliant. (Actually "quite" brilliant, but I don't
want him to get the big head.)

From what I perused that Paul said, he did not think a
registry hack would permanently achieve it. I
did not read it very carefully because he answered the
question you actually asked and I was firing up to
answer it another way.

But, all you would have to do is "find" (rots-a-ruck)
the service start point in the registry somewhere in
HKLM/SYSTEM/ControlSet001, ControlSet 002, CurrentControlSet.

Usually CurrentControlSet is a mirror ControlSet 001.
Usually. (Watch the "weasel" word).

Off question responses can be very helpful at times,
but sometimes they are such a tangent that they get
annoying. So I was doing the same thing to you.
Lucky you.


Will your method 'stand the test' of the next major Windows Update?

Oh you bet your ass. But be careful. If you do a manual
update, the update service will probably get turned back on.

In other word, an adjusted computer, as you intimate, will NEVER update
again? Is that right?

Yup. As long as you do it right and double check that the
service is indeed disabled. The best method is
to use Shut Up 10. Select them ALL! (maniacal laughter)

My virtual machine (VM) of Windows 10 is Shut Up 10 totally
off. It HAS to work when a customer calls and I need to
research something. I typically wipe and reinstall every
new 10 build, plus run my Todd special Windows 10 Defang.

And as far as the FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) goes,
yes you are not getting M$ security updates. I leave that
to a good anti virus (ESET on my VM). M$ security updates
have a long track history of being miserable and of very
little protection.

I tell folks who ask me about the FUD they get in
Windows 7 that the statement about not getting updates
is true, but the implication that Windows 10 is any
better is a false sense of security as 10 is just as
vulnerable, supported or not. Get a good PAID antivirus:
ESET, Bit Defender, Kaspersky. ESET is my favorite.

And I do not do anything private, including on line banking
and ordering, on Windows. If one much do such, I recommend
Fedora Linux.

T wrote:
On 2020-07-03 12:58, David_B wrote:
On 02/07/2020 21:30, T wrote:
On 2020-07-02 05:11, David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10
operating system from Updating?


Hi David,

Now "how" you asked for it, BUT WHEN DOES THAT STOP ME!
Lucky you.

-- winR
-- services.msc
-- scroll down to "Windows Update" and double click on it
-- disable the sucker in "Startup type"
click "Stop"
click "OK"

You can also do it by shutting EVERYTING off (what I do)
with Shut Up 10. A reboot is required:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Thanks 'T' :-)

Are over-riding what Paul has said?

Usually Paul is more accurate than me. He is somewhat
brilliant. (Actually "quite" brilliant, but I don't
want him to get the big head.)

From what I perused that Paul said, he did not think a
registry hack would permanently achieve it. I
did not read it very carefully because he answered the
question you actually asked and I was firing up to
answer it another way.

But, all you would have to do is "find" (rots-a-ruck)
the service start point in the registry somewhere in
HKLM/SYSTEM/ControlSet001, ControlSet 002, CurrentControlSet.

Usually CurrentControlSet is a mirror ControlSet 001.
Usually. (Watch the "weasel" word).

Off question responses can be very helpful at times,
but sometimes they are such a tangent that they get
annoying. So I was doing the same thing to you.
Lucky you.


Will your method 'stand the test' of the next major Windows Update?

Oh you bet your ass. But be careful. If you do a manual
update, the update service will probably get turned back on.

In other word, an adjusted computer, as you intimate, will NEVER
update again? Is that right?

Yup. As long as you do it right and double check that the
service is indeed disabled. The best method is
to use Shut Up 10. Select them ALL! (maniacal laughter)

My virtual machine (VM) of Windows 10 is Shut Up 10 totally
off. It HAS to work when a customer calls and I need to
research something. I typically wipe and reinstall every
new 10 build, plus run my Todd special Windows 10 Defang.

And as far as the FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) goes,
yes you are not getting M$ security updates. I leave that
to a good anti virus (ESET on my VM). M$ security updates
have a long track history of being miserable and of very
little protection.

I tell folks who ask me about the FUD they get in
Windows 7 that the statement about not getting updates
is true, but the implication that Windows 10 is any
better is a false sense of security as 10 is just as
vulnerable, supported or not. Get a good PAID antivirus:
ESET, Bit Defender, Kaspersky. ESET is my favorite.

And I do not do anything private, including on line banking
and ordering, on Windows. If one much do such, I recommend
Fedora Linux.

They've added a Windows Update Health Service of some sort, so
maybe renaming wu*****.dll won't be as easy any more (done from
Linux).

I don't trust Microsoft further than I can throw them.
I don't want people left with the idea that the OS is
so stable, a "fix" lasts longer than six months. Even if
they added controls similar to Windows 7, they could yank them
out again, at any time.

Paul

On 03/07/2020 22:59, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 2020-07-03 12:58, David_B wrote:
On 02/07/2020 21:30, T wrote:
On 2020-07-02 05:11, David_B wrote:
Can a change to the Registry be made to prevent a Windows 10
operating system from Updating?


Hi David,

Now "how" you asked for it, BUT WHEN DOES THAT STOP ME!
Lucky you.

-- winR
Â*Â* -- services.msc
Â*Â*Â*Â* --Â* scroll down to "Windows Update" and double click on it
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* -- disable the sucker in "Startup type"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* click "Stop"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* click "OK"

You can also do it by shutting EVERYTING off (what I do)
with Shut Up 10.Â* A reboot is required:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

Thanks 'T' :-)

Are over-riding what Paul has said?

Usually Paul is more accurate than me.Â* He is somewhat
brilliant.Â* (Actually "quite" brilliant, but I don't
want him to get the big head.)

Â*From what I perused that Paul said, he did not think a
registry hack would permanently achieve it.Â* I
did not read it very carefully because he answered the
question you actually asked and I was firing up to
answer it another way.

But, all you would have to do is "find" (rots-a-ruck)
the service start point in the registry somewhere in
HKLM/SYSTEM/ControlSet001, ControlSet 002, CurrentControlSet.

Usually CurrentControlSet is a mirror ControlSet 001.
Usually.Â* (Watch the "weasel" word).

Off question responses can be very helpful at times,
but sometimes they are such a tangent that they get
annoying.Â* So I was doing the same thing to you.
Lucky you.


Will your method 'stand the test' of the next major Windows Update?

Oh you bet your ass.Â* But be careful.Â* If you do a manual
update, the update service will probably get turned back on.

In other word, an adjusted computer, as you intimate, will NEVER
update again? Is that right?

Yup.Â* As long as you do it right and double check that the
service is indeed disabled.Â* The best method is
to use Shut Up 10.Â* Select them ALL!Â* (maniacal laughter)

My virtual machine (VM) of Windows 10 is Shut Up 10 totally
off.Â* It HAS to work when a customer calls and I need to
research something.Â* I typically wipe and reinstall every
new 10 build, plus run my Todd special Windows 10 Defang.

And as far as the FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) goes,
yes you are not getting M$ security updates.Â* I leave that
to a good anti virus (ESET on my VM).Â* M$ security updates
have a long track history of being miserable and of very
little protection.

I tell folks who ask me about the FUD they get in
Windows 7 that the statement about not getting updates
is true, but the implication that Windows 10 is any
better is a false sense of security as 10 is just as
vulnerable, supported or not.Â* Get a good PAID antivirus:
ESET, Bit Defender, Kaspersky.Â* ESET is my favorite.

And I do not do anything private, including on line banking
and ordering, on Windows.Â* If one much do such, I recommend
Fedora Linux.

They've added a Windows Update Health Service of some sort, so
maybe renaming wu*****.dll won't be as easy any more (done from
Linux).

I don't trust Microsoft further than I can throw them.
I don't want people left with the idea that the OS is
so stable, a "fix" lasts longer than six months. Even if
they added controls similar to Windows 7, they could yank them
out again, at any time.

Â*Â* Paul


My thanks to you, Paul *AND* to 'T' :-D