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Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html and clears the input
field, so that I have to re-enter the search terms?

I ran SmartSniffer on it to see if there was some kind
of funny business and found that it's calling an IP that
resolves to Microsoft Azure in both cases!
52.149.246.39

So the privacy search engine is actually running off
the MS Azure hosting? That's tacky.

"Mayayana" wrote in message
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Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html

This might shed some light on it :

div id="html-only-notice"
!-- This is the HTML version. Get the JS version a
href="https://duckduckgo.com/"here/a. //--
/div

and clears the input field, so that I have to re-enter the search terms?

Thats likely your browsers doing. You do not want to have cross-site
auto-fill-in. It would be as bad as cross-site scripting. :-)

And thanks for the heads-up. If/when DDG disappears I now know why.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:27:17 -0400
"Mayayana" wrote:

Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html and clears the input
field, so that I have to re-enter the search terms?

I ran SmartSniffer on it to see if there was some kind
of funny business and found that it's calling an IP that
resolves to Microsoft Azure in both cases!
52.149.246.39

So the privacy search engine is actually running off
the MS Azure hosting? That's tacky.



Maybe it's something within Windows 10 that is redirecting your
searches.

I wonder if the people at Duckduckgo know that Microsoft is using them
to track you.

It doesn't happen with Linux Mint and duckduckgo.com

Mayayana wrote:

Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html

Only does it for me if I disable javascript, maybe you've blocked a
script too many?

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:27:17 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html and clears the input
field, so that I have to re-enter the search terms?

That is not happening here.


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On 7/2/2020 12:27 PM, Mayayana wrote:
Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html and clears the input
field, so that I have to re-enter the search terms?

I ran SmartSniffer on it to see if there was some kind
of funny business and found that it's calling an IP that
resolves to Microsoft Azure in both cases!
52.149.246.39

So the privacy search engine is actually running off
the MS Azure hosting? That's tacky.


I haven't seen that yet, and I happened to use DDG about a half dozen
times this morning (Win10/FF).

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Mayayana wrote:

Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html and clears the input
field, so that I have to re-enter the search terms?

A URL of:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=em+client&ia=web

takes me to their search results page.

Going to duckduck.go, entering search criteria and clicking the search
button, takes me to the same above search results page. No clearing of
the search input textbox, and no redirection to an /html sub-document,
and no having to reenter the search criteria.

I use uBlock Origin as my adblocker extension in Firefox. It blocks
nothing on DuckDuckGo's web pages. Maybe whatever you use for an
adblocker is interferring with their web pages. After all, the point of
adblockers is to corrupt the content of web documents.

I ran SmartSniffer on it to see if there was some kind
of funny business and found that it's calling an IP that
resolves to Microsoft Azure in both cases!
52.149.246.39

So the privacy search engine is actually running off
the MS Azure hosting? That's tacky.

So, Azure is the webhosting service. That's news to you? You don't
even have to use a sniffer or tracer. Just do an nslookup on
duckduckgo.com, and you get 40.89.244.232. Now do a WhoIs lookup on the
IP address (https://www.whois.com/whois/40.89.244.232), and you'll see
that domain is using an IP address in Microsoft's IP pool. Geolocation
lookup on 40.89.244.232 shows the host is in Iowa, USA and likely in or
around Des Moines. Even Microsoft has content hosted elsewhere, like at
Akamai.

Startpage, another alternative anonymous search service (querying
Google's search engine) is hosted within the IP pool owned by Hurricane
Electric. That doesn't mean Hurricane is the webhoster for Startpage.
More likely a reseller (and a reseller of the reseller) of Hurricane's
network services is where the site is hosted. Geolocation lookup on
Startpage.com's IP address (216.218.239.62) shows the host is in the
Netherlands (likely in or around Amsterdam).

Both DuckDuckGo and Startpage are hosted in a 5-Eyes country, but since
they keep no logs, and their search results are disconnected from where
they query for those searches, why do you care? Startpage is privately
held by a Dutch company and headquarterd in Hague, Netherlands.
DuckDuckGo is incorporated and headquartered in Pennsylvania, USA. It's
not where is the search engine hosted. It's how the service is
operated.

They all have to get hosted somewhere. What, you thought every site was
going to supply and manage their own web server hardware resources along
with becoming an ISP connecting to backbone networks to get bandwidth?

That a company as a jet aircraft doesn't mean they own it. That is very
expensive. More likely they either lease it, or they are co-owner and
share the costs with other co-owners. Same for CDNs (content delivery
networks) where is it much cheaper to share resources rather than one
company delving into the entire mess themself.

"R.Wieser" wrote

| This might shed some light on it :
|
| div id="html-only-notice"
| !-- This is the HTML version. Get the JS version a
| href="https://duckduckgo.com/"here/a. //--
| /div
|
Ah. Good sleuthing. Thanks. It just started happening
a couple of days ago.

"VanguardLH" wrote

| So the privacy search engine is actually running off
| the MS Azure hosting? That's tacky.
|
| So, Azure is the webhosting service. That's news to you?

Yes. I don't generally go around looking up every
IP address. It surprised me that they don't run their
own server. So I have to wonder whether MS gets
spying rights on their traffic. That may seem unlikely,
but Akamai announced several years ago that they
were going to spy and sell the data. And they're not
even hosting. They're just providing backup support
for heavy traffic.

| Startpage, another alternative anonymous search service (querying
| Google's search engine) is hosted within the IP pool owned by Hurricane
| Electric. That doesn't mean Hurricane is the webhoster for Startpage.
| More likely a reseller (and a reseller of the reseller) of Hurricane's
| network services is where the site is hosted. Geolocation lookup on
| Startpage.com's IP address (216.218.239.62) shows the host is in the
| Netherlands (likely in or around Amsterdam).

Actually I decided to try Startpage. The IP I got
resolved to "New York Internet".

| They all have to get hosted somewhere. What, you thought every site was
| going to supply and manage their own web server hardware resources
|
Not so long ago that is how it worked. Welcome
to the Internet.

VanguardLH wrote:

Both DuckDuckGo and Startpage are hosted in a 5-Eyes country, ...

Oops. DuckDuckGo uses a webhosting service in a 5-Eyes country (USA).
Startpage is not.

but since they keep no logs, and their search results are disconnected
from where they query for those searches, why do you care?

Even if the DOJ shoves an NSL (National Security Letter) at DuckDuckGo
(which DuckDuckGo is forbidden to reveal), that only forces them to
retain whatever they are currently collecting. If they don't retain any
logs, they've got nothing to hold for the FBI.

Privacy Policies
https://duckduckgo.com/privacy

and

Information Collected
https://duckduckgo.com/privacy#s4

There have been hack attempts at DuckDuckGo. For example, read:

https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/breac...users-queries/

Alas, like so many blogs, the authors do not datestamp their article.
Information is time sensitive, and blogs purporting to deliver news but
are not datestamped are not only misleading but can be malicious, like
users taking actions that are invalid or no longer applicable.

There was a link in the photo of the response from DuckDuckGo to:

https://duck.co/blog/post/304/preven...d-autocomplete

From that archived article, the leak was found - and fixed - over 2
years ago. So, yep, the blog is old, but it shows leaks can happen.

I've never liked any auto-complete in any web page or even in programs.
They too often guess wrong, especially if I'm inputting an acronym.
Yes, you can configure settings, like disabling auto-suggest, but
requires saving your profile in their "cloud" with a passphrase. Nope,
not going to their site to then enter a passphrase to get my settings.
Nope, not going to use a URL with parameters specifying the passphrase,
either.

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On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 15:26:48, VanguardLH wrote:
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That a company as a jet aircraft doesn't mean they own it. That is very
expensive. More likely they either lease it, or they are co-owner and
share the costs with other co-owners. Same for CDNs (content delivery
networks) where is it much cheaper to share resources rather than one
company delving into the entire mess themself.

Reminds me of an episode in Yes Minister:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0EbdvyzuM&t=751s (sorry about the
audio quality).
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All I ask is to _prove_ that money can't make me happy.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| So the privacy search engine is actually running off
| the MS Azure hosting? That's tacky.
|
| So, Azure is the webhosting service. That's news to you?

Yes. I don't generally go around looking up every
IP address. It surprised me that they don't run their
own server.

most sites don't self-host since it's not cost effective to do so.

web hosting companies can offer far better hardware that can handle
much higher loads, with better security and ddos protection, than
anything a private entity can do on a reasonable budget.

So I have to wonder whether MS gets
spying rights on their traffic.

they obviously know what traffic a hosted site generates but they're
not going to 'spy' on it.

That may seem unlikely,
but Akamai announced several years ago that they
were going to spy and sell the data. And they're not
even hosting. They're just providing backup support
for heavy traffic.

they did not announce that they would spy on anyone.



| They all have to get hosted somewhere. What, you thought every site was
| going to supply and manage their own web server hardware resources
|
Not so long ago that is how it worked. Welcome
to the Internet.

not so long ago, a 56k modem was 'fast'.

the world has moved on.

Mayayana wrote:
Anyone know why duckduckgo.com now redirects
me to html.duckduckgo.com/html and clears the input
field, so that I have to re-enter the search terms?

I ran SmartSniffer on it to see if there was some kind
of funny business and found that it's calling an IP that
resolves to Microsoft Azure in both cases!
52.149.246.39

So the privacy search engine is actually running off
the MS Azure hosting? That's tacky.

Turn on JS and it will act like it did before.