O.T. Missing Folder/files

Why would I change partitions on the 780 and the 8500?
I don't understand the purpose behind it?

The C: partition is where all of my work is; in My Documents.
Why would I keep backups on a D: partition? I'm not understanding
the reasoning behind this. Isn't the whole purpose of external hd's is
for Mrimg backups?

The bookmark toolbar/bookmark menu still does not show as it normally
does.

https://postimg.cc/bZQgt7YB

https://postimg.cc/pmtYRsQY

We can't move forward until we resolve this. Should I Import bookmarks
or click Getting Started?

We already did the Helper.exe for Sea Monkey on the 780 because it wasn't
in Programs and Features and I lost the bookmarks right afterwards.

On the 8500 I just need to click the new version but in both cases they did
not install correctly and we'll have to see whether they revert to the old version
or install the new version. Correct?
However because Sea Monkey threw up a loop by not installing correctly before
I do anything on the 8500 I want to clone it. I'm not taking any chances.

So let's concentrate on bringing the bookmark menu back on the 780 which we
should be able to do if not the backspace key. Then we can move from there.

What do you think?

Robert

I was thinking, couldn't we just restore the 780 with an Mrimg
to bring back the bookmark menu so everything is normal looking
again?

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:

I was thinking, couldn't we just restore the 780 with an Mrimg
to bring back the bookmark menu so everything is normal looking
again?

Robert

Yes, you could do that.

The older file might not have as many bookmarks,
so you'd run the current 88.0.1 Firefox first and
Export your bookmarks as acquired up-to today. To
see how many are there. (The declaration of "base64"
you see in the file by the way, that's an in-line
representation of the "icon" for the bookmark entry.
It's an awful way to do it, but it allows the bookmark
to be archived as "pure text", without saving multiple
files, but it also makes a mess of the list when you need
to inventory it. The icons are also easy to lose.)

Restore the older OS image.

You'd have to compare the two bookmark lists, to see
which one has more. Or, you could just import the current
list, on the assumption it has all the items.

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:
Why would I change partitions on the 780 and the 8500?
I don't understand the purpose behind it?

The C: partition is where all of my work is; in My Documents.
Why would I keep backups on a D: partition? I'm not understanding
the reasoning behind this. Isn't the whole purpose of external hd's is
for Mrimg backups?

The bookmark toolbar/bookmark menu still does not show as it normally
does.

https://postimg.cc/bZQgt7YB

https://postimg.cc/pmtYRsQY

We can't move forward until we resolve this. Should I Import bookmarks
or click Getting Started?

We already did the Helper.exe for Sea Monkey on the 780 because it wasn't
in Programs and Features and I lost the bookmarks right afterwards.

On the 8500 I just need to click the new version but in both cases they did
not install correctly and we'll have to see whether they revert to the old version
or install the new version. Correct?
However because Sea Monkey threw up a loop by not installing correctly before
I do anything on the 8500 I want to clone it. I'm not taking any chances.

So let's concentrate on bringing the bookmark menu back on the 780 which we
should be able to do if not the backspace key. Then we can move from there.

What do you think?

Robert

You only lose the Bookmarks, if the program created a brand new profile.
It shouldn't do that. It's supposed to migrate the existing Profile
forward, keeping the users information intact.

The key area, is right around the profiles.ini file in the
Seamonkey entry. You do the search with Agent Ransack and
locate the "profiles.ini". There will be one for Seamonkey.
In Agent Ransack, right click the "profiles.ini" in the
search result, select the entry at the top which is supposed
to open the item in File Explorer. Right next to profiles.ini
in File Explorer, will be the Profiles folder. The dates on
the Profiles folder contents, should be older dates, not todays
date. It should not need to create a new folder in there,
as it did not remove the old one via the usage of Helper.exe .

profiles.ini
Profiles === folder is at same level as profiles.ini
ABCD1234.default === The dates on folders like this, should
EFGH5678.something not be todays date. THese should have been
created some time ago.

This is why I was trying to show you how to copy the two
particular folders (the ABCD1234.default in "Roaming" and "Local"),
so they could not get lost. And could be used in an emergency.

*******

Now, very recently, I showed you how to use the "Customize" for
the Overflow Menu, to add things there. Adding "Bookmarks Menu"
icon in the Customize editor, then clicking "Done", should have
results in the Overflow Menu gaining an additional icon.
That's what I would be doing right now.

I don't understand why the blasted thing isn't working properly.
Firefox has a .jar file with "decorations" in it, and that's
probably where some of the elements are stored. Seamonkey should
have the same thing (Seamonkey code is an instance in some way,
of Firefox code, but with differences). This material resides
in Program Files somewhere, and is supposed to be refreshed
when the program is Upgraded or Fresh Installed.

*******

If you want to clone and make an exact copy of a disk,
that's perfectly OK with me. These are your setups,
and if that makes them easier to understand, then
go for it.

Using a Sharpie, write on a smooth area of the metal
casing of each drive, what it is. "Original" for the
good copy. "Clone 5/28/2021" or whatever, on the brand
new drive. Sharpie comes off the metal, with a bit of
rubbing alcohol, but you don't wipe towards the paper
label or it'll get stained. You mark the metal in
a way so it can be easily cleaned later (without
smudging anything else). You could use PostIt notes
if they would stay on there, but I just use Sharpie.

Paul

I'm really not concerned with the content of the bookmarks
on the 780. What I want is the menu back on the left side of
the screen as normal. That's what I'm going for not the contents.

Robert

I was just thinking, if we restore the 780 it will have the bad installed
Sea Monkey, so we would need to deal with again. Maybe instead of
uninstalling it with uninstall.exe we should try installing the new version
and see if it will write over the bad install and put it in Programs and
Features?

However it should give me my bookmarks toolbar/bookmark menu back
and I don't want to risk loosing that again.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
I was just thinking, if we restore the 780 it will have the bad installed
Sea Monkey, so we would need to deal with again. Maybe instead of
uninstalling it with uninstall.exe we should try installing the new version
and see if it will write over the bad install and put it in Programs and
Features?

However it should give me my bookmarks toolbar/bookmark menu back
and I don't want to risk loosing that again.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

That would depend on how the installer for the new version works.

The developers have two choices.

1) Call the Windows interface, and ask it to remove the program.
The Windows subsystem (by some means), knows that Helper.exe
is the thing declared by the developer for this.

2) The installer can "know from experience", that certain
folders have certain materials, and call "Helper.exe" directly.

(2) would be the best design for your purposes.

(1) would be the best design from a "program compliance"
perspective. Maybe Enterprise IT staff appreciate this.

*******

I would agree in normal situations, that "installing anything"
is a good experiment for "refreshing materials". I'm sure there
are lots of bugs that get fixed this way,

In my other post, where I encouraged a bit of experimentation,
this follows along the theme of "the Profile folder has had
some unintentional changes made to it". Reinstalling won't
fix that, because the application considers the state it finds
things in, to be "within the range of normal". It thinks you
customized the application the way you wanted, and it's not going
to fix it. This is why I encouraged trying experiments with
"Customize", within reason.

Paul

Should I try to Import bookmarks from Microsoft Explorer
the HTML bookmarks I saved previously?

So no matter what, we have to fix this ourselves and none of
the Mrimgs will help? I should of made more backup hd's. Sea
Monkey sure screwed us. I can't move forward and I can't move
back and if we can't fix this like the backspace key I have to live
with this?

The only safeguard I can do is to create clones before proceeding
on the 8500 but I'm not sure I'm going to because the 780 is already
messed up and I'm not going to risk the 8500 unless we fix the 780.

I've been wondering about that bad hd? Maybe I'll try it again in the
780? You see it just says Win 7 Pro but it doesn't say 8500 or 780 on
it. We might as well try every possibility if we have to do this ourselves.

Robert

Ta Da Success!!

https://postimg.cc/5YvyFzDV

I feel like such and idiot! I knew it was something
simple and was right in front of me all this time.
'Show Sidebars'

So were back in business!

Robert

So now that I have my sidebar and bookmark menu back,.
should I now download the new version of Sea Monkey
and see if it installs correctly?

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
So now that I have my sidebar and bookmark menu back,.
should I now download the new version of Sea Monkey
and see if it installs correctly?

Robert


Well, it should work.

The Seamonkey web page usually has instructions if
they expect trouble.

Firefox did some weird things once, like putting
64-bit materials in a 32-bit folder or vice versa,
which is a violation of "The Rules". And that's an
example of when you have to read the instructions
carefully, to maintain your machine well, as you
could easily be deceived into thinking two copies
were installed or something.

I think the install of Seamonkey should go OK.
They usually undo some of the nutty things
their upstream does.

Paul

Robert in CA wrote:
Ta Da Success!!

https://postimg.cc/5YvyFzDV

I feel like such and idiot! I knew it was something
simple and was right in front of me all this time.
'Show Sidebars'

So were back in business!

Robert

I saw Sidebars, but didn't know what they were, or
that you were using them.

Paul

I installed Sea Monkey again

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/

and it did the same thing and
did not install correctly.

https://postimg.cc/dDTpr3h0

https://postimg.cc/47cP7KWk

https://postimg.cc/LgBVDcdx

https://postimg.cc/4msPyxtq

https://postimg.cc/GB8JV8w8

https://postimg.cc/bDq0J6Sb

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

I found Sea Monkey listed in downloads and also
the older version. Should we try to run the older
download or do you have a link to one?

https://postimg.cc/phGJ9fHd

What was it again I look up on Agent Ransack to
delete Sea Monkey?

Robert

Robert in CA wrote:
I found Sea Monkey listed in downloads and also
the older version. Should we try to run the older
download or do you have a link to one?

https://postimg.cc/phGJ9fHd

What was it again I look up on Agent Ransack to
delete Sea Monkey?

Robert

Helper.exe, in a folder containing Seamonkey.
It will be in an "uninstall" folder belonging to Seamonkey.

*******

Did you notice something in one of your pictures ???

https://postimg.cc/GB8JV8w8

It is installing in AppData and not Program Files or Program Files (x86).
That's wrong, and right now, I can't find a reference to this
issue in Google.

It's easy enough to fix, by telling the thing where you
want it to go.

This could happen if

*you are installing with the non-administrator account* ====

That also explains why the blasted thing isn't in Programs and Features.
A non-administrator cannot place an entry in there.

I didn't even think of that as a root cause, because I
didn't even know a non-administrator could get away
with the level of install that you've done! Thanks to
non-standard FOSS installer software, the Seamonkey
team has done a kind of "portable" install in a
non-standard place.

You need to:

Log in as the administrator user.

Install for All Users (then Rob_2 sees the install).

Otherwise, even if you typed the Program Files name
into the install dialog, Seamonkey will just deny that,
because it doesn't have admin to use.

*******

Here is me as a member of the Administrator group installing.
Mine was installed in Program Files (x86) and is going back
there as a test.

https://i.postimg.cc/2yTLV3QH/semonk...inistrator.gif

Paul