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Old March 6th 15, 02:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!

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Old March 6th 15, 03:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!


Google is your friend.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore
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Old March 6th 15, 05:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

none wrote:
Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!


Google is your friend.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore


Google isn't always your friend.

There is a difference between Windows 8.0 and
Windows 8.1. The MS info isn't always as current
as it could be. Sometimes the sites like
eightforums.com are more up to date.

On my system, I did it this way. You could likely
make this procedure one step shorter, by just
typing sdclt into Start, right-click it,
and do the Run As Administrator on that if you want.
I'm keeping this text, to be consistent with the
screenshot I made.

1) Start : type in "cmd"
Right-click and select Run As Administrator.
A black MSDOS window opens.

2) Type "sdclt" in there.
The old Windows-7-like backup dialog opens.
You're expected to point backups at a second drive,
like an external drive.

So the first dialog has you select the external drive
that is to receive the backup. Without a drive to
accept a backup, you cannot advance to the screen
seen here. I'm about to select the partitions to be
backed up.

http://i59.tinypic.com/102mr2w.jpg

3) Backups can also be run from the command line, like this.
(You likely need your Administrator's hat for this one,
as in Step 1 above.)

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:N: -allCritical

That backs up C: and SYSTEM RESERVED to the N:\ on the
external drive.

If I want to include partition G: and H: in the backup,
it would look like this. Now I'm backing up a total of
four partitions G,H,C,SYSTEM RESERVED -- N:\

wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:N: -include:G:,H: -allCritical

There used to be an easy button to click, but they removed
it for Win8.1, to try to force you to use File History. But
some commands are still available.

http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...-up_backup.jpg

You could probably make a shortcut to that, but don't
ask me for details :-) I don't know if "Runas" works
for this or not.

*******

Now, the info here, says you can't use Backup in Windows 8.1
(just File History). For some reason, my Win8.1 supports SDCLT.
But I'm way behind on my patches for that machine, so maybe that's
why it still works as it does. That machine needs around a
gigabyte of downloads right now :-)

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html

HTH,
Paul
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Old March 6th 15, 06:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

On 2015-03-06 11:48 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:43:56 -0500, Paul wrote:

none wrote:
Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!

Google is your friend.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore


Google isn't always your friend.


I have never had a negative experience with Google.


Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire
web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How
about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private
information to the highest bidder?

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My problem is with people who push it as the cure for all things.


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Old March 6th 15, 07:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Pfsszxt
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Default How to initate backup?

On 3/6/2015 10:43 AM, Paul wrote:
none wrote:
Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!



There used to be an easy button to click, but they removed
it for Win8.1, to try to force you to use File History. But
some commands are still available.

http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...69798t-backup-
files-windows-8-a-set-up_backup.jpg


You could probably make a shortcut to that, but don't
ask me for details :-) I don't know if "Runas" works
for this or not.

*******

Now, the info here, says you can't use Backup in Windows 8.1
(just File History). For some reason, my Win8.1 supports SDCLT.
But I'm way behind on my patches for that machine, so maybe that's
why it still works as it does. That machine needs around a
gigabyte of downloads right now :-)

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html


HTH,
Paul

Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD??

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Old March 6th 15, 08:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:40:31 -0600, Pfsszxt wrote:

On 3/6/2015 10:43 AM, Paul wrote:
none wrote:
Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!


There used to be an easy button to click, but they removed
it for Win8.1, to try to force you to use File History. But
some commands are still available.

http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...69798t-backup-
files-windows-8-a-set-up_backup.jpg


You could probably make a shortcut to that, but don't
ask me for details :-) I don't know if "Runas" works
for this or not.

*******

Now, the info here, says you can't use Backup in Windows 8.1
(just File History). For some reason, my Win8.1 supports SDCLT.
But I'm way behind on my patches for that machine, so maybe that's
why it still works as it does. That machine needs around a
gigabyte of downloads right now :-)

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html


HTH,
Paul

Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD??


A CD holds roughly 700 megabytes of data. How tall would your stack of CDs
be after you completed a backup? It's completely unrealistic.


Below, that's not a proper signature delimiter. It should be "dash dash
space return".

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Old March 6th 15, 10:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 13:27:40 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

And the spam message below should be disabled. This isn't email and your
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Old March 6th 15, 11:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Gene E. Bloch[_2_]
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Default How to initate backup?

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:42:22 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:12:54 -0500, Slimer wrote:

On 2015-03-06 11:48 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:43:56 -0500, Paul wrote:

none wrote:
Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!

Google is your friend.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore


Google isn't always your friend.

I have never had a negative experience with Google.


Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire
web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How
about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private
information to the highest bidder?


My business has not yet sustained any quantifiable damages from our extensive
interactions with Google. In fact, Google has helped us make a TREMENDOUS
amount of money with very little investment.

Quantify the damages my business has sustained and I might take the FUD more
seriously.


Well, when I search on one device and later find suggestions on another
device matching that earlier search, I *do* notice.

My usual reaction is to either smile (or chuckle) or not, and then go on
with whatever I was going to do on the second device. Sometimes I make a
remark to anyone within earshot. That might be only me, but I do tend to
listen.

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Old March 6th 15, 11:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 20:23:53 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:40:31 -0600, Pfsszxt wrote:

Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD??


For what it is worth, IMHO, you would probably be unhappy with making a system
backup to CD/DVD. I also think you would be really unhappy using the built in
system imaging facilities of Windows 8 / 8.1.

Consider installing the free version of Easeus Todo:

http://www.easeus.com/backup-software/tb-free.html

Additionally, consider purchasing an inexpensive, external USB hard drive to
which you can write the backups. Something like this:

http://amzn.to/1G7Mf5A

It is an investment of $59, but it would be a lot faster and give you a great
deal more flexibility.


Sound advice, all around.

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Old March 6th 15, 11:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Pfsszxt wrote:

Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD??

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Sure, there is an option in that panel I showed, to
use a DVD.

I'm just warning you there is a slight bug in it,
where you have to stop what you're doing, take the
DVD and format it, then hit return in the Backup
program, to continue on with the backup operation.
I did that and had to baby-sit the computer for
two hours, until my "experiment" was finished.

What I learned, is the data format on the DVD is
non-standard. It is not VHD format. If you don't
have a copy of the Windows Backup program, then
you cannot read what is recorded on the DVD.

And since the C: partition must always be backed
up (that's why it is called a System Image), then
it takes multiple DVDs for even the simplest of
cases. I burned four DVDs in a two hour period,
when all I wanted was to backup a tiny directory.

*******

The Windows backup can also be configured for file
backup. But this option to sdclt, no longer works
(broken in Windows 8.1). File History (the feature
nobody uses), replaces this. And at this point, you
reach for a (free) third-party alternative. If you
type this, nothing happens.

sdclt /configure

In the list here, a couple of items in the Proprietary
section have free versions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_backup_software

Some Easeus product
Macrium Reflect Free

Always make sure to prepare any boot CDs that come
with these products, when prompted to make them.

The Windows backup used to make a boot CD, but the GUI
is gone for that. This replacement makes a USB flash
boot drive. You would keep this USB flash drive, along
side your external backup hard drive (the one that keeps
the Windows backup VHD files)

recoverydrive.exe

And that 283MB USB flash drive, is enough to boot up and
restore a Windows Backup "System Image" that you have
stored on your external drive, to put back your
C: and SYSTEM RESERVED partitions. In the sources
folder of the USB flash drive, is a .wim file which has
the hidden attribute set. And that file takes up most
of the space. The flash drive does not contain a full
OS. The flash drive cannot be used to re-install Windows.
It's an emergency boot thing, just for doing maintenance
things.

*******

You might be able to drag and drop some files,
in an old-fashioned file burning operation.
That might be another way to work a backup
scheme of a single folder. If your hard drive
was broken though, you'd have to restore an OS
to the hard drive first, before you could access
that CD and copy the files as needed. The reason
I like a "System Image", especially with output
to an external hard drive, is it "gets everything".

Norman mentioned this one. The text here mentions it
can back up a folder or a file. Whereas Macrium Reflect Free
backs up partitions. Macrium is the one I use to
backup my C: and System Reserved. I have around
1TB of .mrimg files now, so I've done a fair number
of individual backups with Macrium over time. And
you can "mount" the .mrimg file, and extract
single files from it. You don't have to restore
the whole thing. So it does function as a file
backup, but it's a "bit clumsy" to run it purely
for that. Maybe this is a better third-party
choice, but I haven't tested it yet.

http://www.todo-backup.com/products/...p-software.htm

Another way to burn a DVD of stuff, is use Imgburn.
The button in the upper right corner, can burn
a folder of stuff for you. When you click that button,
there are two tiny buttons. One allows the selection
of a single file. The other button, allows the
selection of a folder. Use the correct button for
the job :-)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...screenshot.png

If downloading Imgburn, the modern versions are packed
with a toolbar. I use an older version, from just
before he started throwing a toolbar into the download.
I don't expect this is a big deal - just untick it.

Paul
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Old March 7th 15, 01:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

On 3/6/2015 6:18 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:49:55 -0500, Paul wrote:


Norman mentioned this one. The text here mentions it
can back up a folder or a file. Whereas Macrium Reflect Free
backs up partitions. Macrium is the one I use to
backup my C: and System Reserved. I have around
1TB of .mrimg files now, so I've done a fair number
of individual backups with Macrium over time. And
you can "mount" the .mrimg file, and extract
single files from it. You don't have to restore
the whole thing. So it does function as a file
backup, but it's a "bit clumsy" to run it purely
for that. Maybe this is a better third-party
choice, but I haven't tested it yet.

http://www.todo-backup.com/products/...p-software.htm


EaseUs ToDo is quite competent when it comes to disk / partition imaging as well
as file and folder(s) backup. Additionally, it also mounts images to enable the
extraction of individual files.


Question: In places it says the Ease ToDo is free and other places it
says that it is a trial version.

Free is good if you can use it as long as it is needed. Trail version
is bad if a month before you have to recover your hard dive the trail
expires.

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Old March 7th 15, 02:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:42:22 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:12:54 -0500, Slimer wrote:

Someone wrote:
Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire
web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How
about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private
information to the highest bidder?

Actually, not JUST the highest bidder for who gets the information
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Old March 7th 15, 10:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:12:54 -0500, Slimer wrote:

On 2015-03-06 11:48 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:43:56 -0500, Paul wrote:

none wrote:
Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the
process of making a backup disk.
Help please!

Google is your friend.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore


Google isn't always your friend.


I have never had a negative experience with Google.


Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire
web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How
about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private
information to the highest bidder?


Google can track me as much as they want. My sales and income depend
on Google searches finding me and my web sites. They can distribute
anything they want about me as it's free advertising.

Steve

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Old March 10th 15, 03:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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In message , Paul writes
If downloading Imgburn, the modern versions are packed
with a toolbar. I use an older version, from just
before he started throwing a toolbar into the download.
I don't expect this is a big deal - just untick it.


I've only just seen this, so sorry to be late to the party.

2 days ago I had to assist a friend who had failed, using the inbuilt
Microsoft CD software, to make a cd of photos to send to someone.

I used Teamviewer to take over his machine and discovered he had no real
burning software, so downloaded imgburn, unticking the toolbar option.

Yesterday, he rang again saying he had a virus. He had clicked on
something like a thing called "HD Video Player", but with 2 other names
(which I can't remember) in different places. This player is a "social
virus", which seems to mean it traps you by offering a better video
player.

I discovered he had ticked MalwareBytes free trial option which had
expired, so MalwareBytes had to be loaded again.

MalwareBytes found a bunch of non-malicious trackers, but what surprised
me was that 2 of these listed ImgBurn as the source.

No huge problems, but it shows how alert you have to be.
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Old March 10th 15, 09:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default How to initate backup?

Bill wrote:
In message , Paul writes
If downloading Imgburn, the modern versions are packed
with a toolbar. I use an older version, from just
before he started throwing a toolbar into the download.
I don't expect this is a big deal - just untick it.


I've only just seen this, so sorry to be late to the party.

2 days ago I had to assist a friend who had failed, using the inbuilt
Microsoft CD software, to make a cd of photos to send to someone.

I used Teamviewer to take over his machine and discovered he had no real
burning software, so downloaded imgburn, unticking the toolbar option.

Yesterday, he rang again saying he had a virus. He had clicked on
something like a thing called "HD Video Player", but with 2 other names
(which I can't remember) in different places. This player is a "social
virus", which seems to mean it traps you by offering a better video player.

I discovered he had ticked MalwareBytes free trial option which had
expired, so MalwareBytes had to be loaded again.

MalwareBytes found a bunch of non-malicious trackers, but what surprised
me was that 2 of these listed ImgBurn as the source.

No huge problems, but it shows how alert you have to be.


Version 2.5.0.0 is available. Install, then turn off
automatic updates.

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...mgburn-2-5-0-0

2.5.0.0_SetupImgBurn_2.5.0.0.exe 2,169,915 bytes Jul 26, 2009
CRC32: 39CD6FC6
MD5: F3791CFACDAC03B9E676E44AA2630243
SHA-1: E07BCC23B495D0A966BAE359EA9E0E3A11888454

I provide the original checksums copied off the authors site,
so you can check the download for "problems". In particular,
you can still trust SHA1SUM for checking for alterations.

Version 2.5.0.0 is the last "clean" version.

By turning off updates, that avoids the possibility
of the update payload containing unwanted passengers.

Paul
 




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