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How to initate backup?
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8.
I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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How to initate backup?
Pfsszxt formulated the question :
Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8. I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! Google is your friend. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore |
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none wrote:
Pfsszxt formulated the question : Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8. I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! Google is your friend. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore Google isn't always your friend. There is a difference between Windows 8.0 and Windows 8.1. The MS info isn't always as current as it could be. Sometimes the sites like eightforums.com are more up to date. On my system, I did it this way. You could likely make this procedure one step shorter, by just typing sdclt into Start, right-click it, and do the Run As Administrator on that if you want. I'm keeping this text, to be consistent with the screenshot I made. 1) Start : type in "cmd" Right-click and select Run As Administrator. A black MSDOS window opens. 2) Type "sdclt" in there. The old Windows-7-like backup dialog opens. You're expected to point backups at a second drive, like an external drive. So the first dialog has you select the external drive that is to receive the backup. Without a drive to accept a backup, you cannot advance to the screen seen here. I'm about to select the partitions to be backed up. http://i59.tinypic.com/102mr2w.jpg 3) Backups can also be run from the command line, like this. (You likely need your Administrator's hat for this one, as in Step 1 above.) wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:N: -allCritical That backs up C: and SYSTEM RESERVED to the N:\ on the external drive. If I want to include partition G: and H: in the backup, it would look like this. Now I'm backing up a total of four partitions G,H,C,SYSTEM RESERVED -- N:\ wbAdmin start backup -backupTarget:N: -include:G:,H: -allCritical There used to be an easy button to click, but they removed it for Win8.1, to try to force you to use File History. But some commands are still available. http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...-up_backup.jpg You could probably make a shortcut to that, but don't ask me for details :-) I don't know if "Runas" works for this or not. ******* Now, the info here, says you can't use Backup in Windows 8.1 (just File History). For some reason, my Win8.1 supports SDCLT. But I'm way behind on my patches for that machine, so maybe that's why it still works as it does. That machine needs around a gigabyte of downloads right now :-) http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html HTH, Paul |
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On 2015-03-06 11:48 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:43:56 -0500, Paul wrote: none wrote: Pfsszxt formulated the question : Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8. I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! Google is your friend. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore Google isn't always your friend. I have never had a negative experience with Google. Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private information to the highest bidder? -- Slimer OpenMedia, GreenPeace Supporter & SPCA Paw Partner ""They (Google) don't follow the GPL, ****tard." - ccretin, lying shamelessly" - chrisv, lying shamelessly http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-rejects-gpl-in-new-gphone-alliance/#! " Desk Retard hadroned: My problem is with people who push it as the cure for all things. *ding* *ding* *ding* Congratulations, "Desk Rabbit", you have spewed the ONE MILLIONTH cola *lie* to attack Linux advocates as "unreasonable" or "hypocritical"." - chrisv, lying shamelessly |
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On 3/6/2015 10:43 AM, Paul wrote:
none wrote: Pfsszxt formulated the question : Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8. I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! There used to be an easy button to click, but they removed it for Win8.1, to try to force you to use File History. But some commands are still available. http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...69798t-backup- files-windows-8-a-set-up_backup.jpg You could probably make a shortcut to that, but don't ask me for details :-) I don't know if "Runas" works for this or not. ******* Now, the info here, says you can't use Backup in Windows 8.1 (just File History). For some reason, my Win8.1 supports SDCLT. But I'm way behind on my patches for that machine, so maybe that's why it still works as it does. That machine needs around a gigabyte of downloads right now :-) http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html HTH, Paul Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD?? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:40:31 -0600, Pfsszxt wrote:
On 3/6/2015 10:43 AM, Paul wrote: none wrote: Pfsszxt formulated the question : Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8. I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! There used to be an easy button to click, but they removed it for Win8.1, to try to force you to use File History. But some commands are still available. http://www.eightforums.com/attachmen...69798t-backup- files-windows-8-a-set-up_backup.jpg You could probably make a shortcut to that, but don't ask me for details :-) I don't know if "Runas" works for this or not. ******* Now, the info here, says you can't use Backup in Windows 8.1 (just File History). For some reason, my Win8.1 supports SDCLT. But I'm way behind on my patches for that machine, so maybe that's why it still works as it does. That machine needs around a gigabyte of downloads right now :-) http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html HTH, Paul Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD?? A CD holds roughly 700 megabytes of data. How tall would your stack of CDs be after you completed a backup? It's completely unrealistic. Below, that's not a proper signature delimiter. It should be "dash dash space return". --- And the spam message below should be disabled. This isn't email and your Usenet post hasn't been checked for anything, except possibly spelling. This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 13:27:40 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote: And the spam message below should be disabled. This isn't email and your Usenet post hasn't been checked for anything, except possibly spelling. This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com The instructions for disabling that spam message can be found at http://www.getavast.net/support/remove-e-mail-signature |
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:42:22 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:12:54 -0500, Slimer wrote: On 2015-03-06 11:48 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:43:56 -0500, Paul wrote: none wrote: Pfsszxt formulated the question : Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8. I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! Google is your friend. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore Google isn't always your friend. I have never had a negative experience with Google. Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private information to the highest bidder? My business has not yet sustained any quantifiable damages from our extensive interactions with Google. In fact, Google has helped us make a TREMENDOUS amount of money with very little investment. Quantify the damages my business has sustained and I might take the FUD more seriously. Well, when I search on one device and later find suggestions on another device matching that earlier search, I *do* notice. My usual reaction is to either smile (or chuckle) or not, and then go on with whatever I was going to do on the second device. Sometimes I make a remark to anyone within earshot. That might be only me, but I do tend to listen. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 20:23:53 +0000, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:40:31 -0600, Pfsszxt wrote: Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD?? For what it is worth, IMHO, you would probably be unhappy with making a system backup to CD/DVD. I also think you would be really unhappy using the built in system imaging facilities of Windows 8 / 8.1. Consider installing the free version of Easeus Todo: http://www.easeus.com/backup-software/tb-free.html Additionally, consider purchasing an inexpensive, external USB hard drive to which you can write the backups. Something like this: http://amzn.to/1G7Mf5A It is an investment of $59, but it would be a lot faster and give you a great deal more flexibility. Sound advice, all around. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Pfsszxt wrote:
Is there no way to back up to a formatted CD?? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com Sure, there is an option in that panel I showed, to use a DVD. I'm just warning you there is a slight bug in it, where you have to stop what you're doing, take the DVD and format it, then hit return in the Backup program, to continue on with the backup operation. I did that and had to baby-sit the computer for two hours, until my "experiment" was finished. What I learned, is the data format on the DVD is non-standard. It is not VHD format. If you don't have a copy of the Windows Backup program, then you cannot read what is recorded on the DVD. And since the C: partition must always be backed up (that's why it is called a System Image), then it takes multiple DVDs for even the simplest of cases. I burned four DVDs in a two hour period, when all I wanted was to backup a tiny directory. ******* The Windows backup can also be configured for file backup. But this option to sdclt, no longer works (broken in Windows 8.1). File History (the feature nobody uses), replaces this. And at this point, you reach for a (free) third-party alternative. If you type this, nothing happens. sdclt /configure In the list here, a couple of items in the Proprietary section have free versions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_backup_software Some Easeus product Macrium Reflect Free Always make sure to prepare any boot CDs that come with these products, when prompted to make them. The Windows backup used to make a boot CD, but the GUI is gone for that. This replacement makes a USB flash boot drive. You would keep this USB flash drive, along side your external backup hard drive (the one that keeps the Windows backup VHD files) recoverydrive.exe And that 283MB USB flash drive, is enough to boot up and restore a Windows Backup "System Image" that you have stored on your external drive, to put back your C: and SYSTEM RESERVED partitions. In the sources folder of the USB flash drive, is a .wim file which has the hidden attribute set. And that file takes up most of the space. The flash drive does not contain a full OS. The flash drive cannot be used to re-install Windows. It's an emergency boot thing, just for doing maintenance things. ******* You might be able to drag and drop some files, in an old-fashioned file burning operation. That might be another way to work a backup scheme of a single folder. If your hard drive was broken though, you'd have to restore an OS to the hard drive first, before you could access that CD and copy the files as needed. The reason I like a "System Image", especially with output to an external hard drive, is it "gets everything". Norman mentioned this one. The text here mentions it can back up a folder or a file. Whereas Macrium Reflect Free backs up partitions. Macrium is the one I use to backup my C: and System Reserved. I have around 1TB of .mrimg files now, so I've done a fair number of individual backups with Macrium over time. And you can "mount" the .mrimg file, and extract single files from it. You don't have to restore the whole thing. So it does function as a file backup, but it's a "bit clumsy" to run it purely for that. Maybe this is a better third-party choice, but I haven't tested it yet. http://www.todo-backup.com/products/...p-software.htm Another way to burn a DVD of stuff, is use Imgburn. The button in the upper right corner, can burn a folder of stuff for you. When you click that button, there are two tiny buttons. One allows the selection of a single file. The other button, allows the selection of a folder. Use the correct button for the job :-) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...screenshot.png If downloading Imgburn, the modern versions are packed with a toolbar. I use an older version, from just before he started throwing a toolbar into the download. I don't expect this is a big deal - just untick it. Paul |
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On 3/6/2015 6:18 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:49:55 -0500, Paul wrote: Norman mentioned this one. The text here mentions it can back up a folder or a file. Whereas Macrium Reflect Free backs up partitions. Macrium is the one I use to backup my C: and System Reserved. I have around 1TB of .mrimg files now, so I've done a fair number of individual backups with Macrium over time. And you can "mount" the .mrimg file, and extract single files from it. You don't have to restore the whole thing. So it does function as a file backup, but it's a "bit clumsy" to run it purely for that. Maybe this is a better third-party choice, but I haven't tested it yet. http://www.todo-backup.com/products/...p-software.htm EaseUs ToDo is quite competent when it comes to disk / partition imaging as well as file and folder(s) backup. Additionally, it also mounts images to enable the extraction of individual files. Question: In places it says the Ease ToDo is free and other places it says that it is a trial version. Free is good if you can use it as long as it is needed. Trail version is bad if a month before you have to recover your hard dive the trail expires. |
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 17:42:22 +0000, Stormin' Norman
wrote: On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:12:54 -0500, Slimer wrote: Someone wrote: Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private information to the highest bidder? Actually, not JUST the highest bidder for who gets the information |
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 12:12:54 -0500, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-03-06 11:48 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 11:43:56 -0500, Paul wrote: none wrote: Pfsszxt formulated the question : Wife has an HP desktop running on Win 8. I haven't used Win 8 and couldn't find a way to start the process of making a backup disk. Help please! Google is your friend. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...backup-restore Google isn't always your friend. I have never had a negative experience with Google. Would it bother you to know that their cookies track you over the entire web regardless of whether you're a member of their services or not? How about the knowledge that their money is made from selling your private information to the highest bidder? Google can track me as much as they want. My sales and income depend on Google searches finding me and my web sites. They can distribute anything they want about me as it's free advertising. Steve -- Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com |
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In message , Paul writes
If downloading Imgburn, the modern versions are packed with a toolbar. I use an older version, from just before he started throwing a toolbar into the download. I don't expect this is a big deal - just untick it. I've only just seen this, so sorry to be late to the party. 2 days ago I had to assist a friend who had failed, using the inbuilt Microsoft CD software, to make a cd of photos to send to someone. I used Teamviewer to take over his machine and discovered he had no real burning software, so downloaded imgburn, unticking the toolbar option. Yesterday, he rang again saying he had a virus. He had clicked on something like a thing called "HD Video Player", but with 2 other names (which I can't remember) in different places. This player is a "social virus", which seems to mean it traps you by offering a better video player. I discovered he had ticked MalwareBytes free trial option which had expired, so MalwareBytes had to be loaded again. MalwareBytes found a bunch of non-malicious trackers, but what surprised me was that 2 of these listed ImgBurn as the source. No huge problems, but it shows how alert you have to be. -- Bill |
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Bill wrote:
In message , Paul writes If downloading Imgburn, the modern versions are packed with a toolbar. I use an older version, from just before he started throwing a toolbar into the download. I don't expect this is a big deal - just untick it. I've only just seen this, so sorry to be late to the party. 2 days ago I had to assist a friend who had failed, using the inbuilt Microsoft CD software, to make a cd of photos to send to someone. I used Teamviewer to take over his machine and discovered he had no real burning software, so downloaded imgburn, unticking the toolbar option. Yesterday, he rang again saying he had a virus. He had clicked on something like a thing called "HD Video Player", but with 2 other names (which I can't remember) in different places. This player is a "social virus", which seems to mean it traps you by offering a better video player. I discovered he had ticked MalwareBytes free trial option which had expired, so MalwareBytes had to be loaded again. MalwareBytes found a bunch of non-malicious trackers, but what surprised me was that 2 of these listed ImgBurn as the source. No huge problems, but it shows how alert you have to be. Version 2.5.0.0 is available. Install, then turn off automatic updates. http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...mgburn-2-5-0-0 2.5.0.0_SetupImgBurn_2.5.0.0.exe 2,169,915 bytes Jul 26, 2009 CRC32: 39CD6FC6 MD5: F3791CFACDAC03B9E676E44AA2630243 SHA-1: E07BCC23B495D0A966BAE359EA9E0E3A11888454 I provide the original checksums copied off the authors site, so you can check the download for "problems". In particular, you can still trust SHA1SUM for checking for alterations. Version 2.5.0.0 is the last "clean" version. By turning off updates, that avoids the possibility of the update payload containing unwanted passengers. Paul |
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