No email on W-7

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

"RH Breener" wrote in message
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Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see.

Send & Receive it a button on the Home tab ribbon at the right.

You can customize the Message Pane header columns and add Size just like
OE and WinMail.


Neither OE or WinMail ever had a downloadable version, but there are
workarounds.


How to use Outlook Express in Windows 7
http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx


How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

How to enable Windows Mail app in Windows 7
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic137494.html

When SP1 came out, the process needed to be repeated to get WinMail to
work again, so you can expect to do it again in the future.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
...
Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see.

I can't locate the place to make the rules, and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago. My
inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all." I can only delete
them one at a time. How do I delete permanently all the messages in the
delete folders? This *&^%$#@ WLM is the pits. The rules are not under
Filter Messages or anywhere else I looked. And it wont work with one of the
three gmail addresses we use. I've deleted it and readded this one account
at least 4 times now yet it keeps saying the password don't match. The same
account with the same password works on two other computers.


Send & Receive it a button on the Home tab ribbon at the right.

I found that.


You can customize the Message Pane header columns and add Size just like
OE and WinMail.


Neither OE or WinMail ever had a downloadable version, but there are
workarounds.

I'll try a work-around and see if it works for me.



How to use Outlook Express in Windows 7
http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx


How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

How to enable Windows Mail app in Windows 7
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic137494.html

When SP1 came out, the process needed to be repeated to get WinMail to
work again, so you can expect to do it again in the future.

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?

RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't
have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and are
looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.

"RH Breener" wrote in message
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get
to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)

I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS
doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like
WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.




MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their
kool-aid.


Mozilla Newsgroups:

news.mozilla.org
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:59:24 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:
"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...

See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses
were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still
available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define
rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI
and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was
under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The
latest
version won't install on Windows XP.


The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes
by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer
version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you
get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7

http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...ternet/article.
cox?articleId=%7Bb7514210-62b6-11df-ccef-000000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)


I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up
using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS
doesn't
have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM
and are
looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.

It's a thing called progress. How many new cars sold today come with
a 8-track tape player?

--
Sent from Groundhog on my Sony Tablet S.

"RH Breener" wrote in message
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a
copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a
size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can
see.




Inline with snippage.


I can't locate the place to make the rules,


See VanguardLH's reply.



and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago.


Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties |
Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server.



My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a
large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all."


Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.


To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:41:08 -0700, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.

To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

--

Char Jackson

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:41:08 -0700, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.

To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you.


--

Char Jackson

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:56:00 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

[snip]

Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

Thank you! I did not know that fine point of selecting more than
one range.

GUIs are so much more intuitive than CLIs. cough, cough I
never bought that argument.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
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Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can
see.




Inline with snippage.


I can't locate the place to make the rules,


See VanguardLH's reply.



and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago.


Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties |
Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server.



My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a
large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all."


Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.


To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA


Very good. Thank you.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:21:12 -0700, RH Breener wrote:

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?

Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose
"Properties".

The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows
edition".

Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:21:12 -0700, RH Breener wrote:

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?

Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose
"Properties".

The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows
edition".

Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


I has SP1.

On 6/19/12 3:21 PM, RH Breener wrote:
I can't locate the place to make the rules, and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago.

Hi, RH,

Two things:


First.........

I've just read through this entire thread of messages as it exists at
this moment, saw no one with any real information about your Gmail issue.

Some time back, I was helping a friend in setting up his Thunderbird
client, and we had a lot of problems getting the results we expected.
To put it mildly, we were getting pi$$ed! LOL

Turns out, Google/Gmail handles mail differently than many if not most
places. It wasn't until we really got into how you needed to configure
Gmail at Gmail's end that we finally started to see the results we wanted.

Moral of this short story? It's best if you go to Gmail and thoroughly
understand how Gmail handles POP3 and IMAP requests before placing the
blame on an email client when you don't get the results you expected.



Second.........

I'm not here to denigrate, malign, or in some way badmouth the other
posters, but I was not shocked to find almost no one offered any other
solutions to you for an email client. Most seem fixated on the MS and
Mozilla products. I saw Pegasus Mail mentioned, but I believe
development has stopped. Also Agent (sophisticated, I tried it and
decided against it), which is still being developed. There was one
other, I think, but I'm not going looking! LOL

As you see from my sig, I'm a TB user, but definitely not 100% happy
with it. But it is better *for me* than Apple Mail. LOL If I ever
get the ambition, I'll go look for something else.

As for Windows alternatives other than MS products that everyone
acknowledges don't work correctly in many areas, and TB which you don't
care for, Mozilla also has the SeaMonkey browser which includes an email
client as does the Opera browser, should you wish to look at different
browsers as a package. The open source version of Eudora is based on TB
code. I switched from Eudora a couple years ago to TB, but if/when I go
looking for a TB replacement, I'll check it out again. I'm sure there's
a lot of changes, and I honestly do not remember why I changed. I know
I *really* liked their last commercial version for Windows.

I'd recommend you check out this site:
http://www.windows7download.com/free...lient/0-r.html

It lists 316 email clients for Win7. Surely more than enough to boggle
the mind. 74 are freeware, and the list includes shareware, trial, and
commercial programs. I'd think you'd find something there that would
appeal to you and what you want in a client. Do not depend on what you
see on the site as being all encompassing. There's a client called
Mahogany listed for Win7, but it's cross platform and the screenshot is
from Mac's OS X! grin I'll have to remember to check it out.

And the TB listed at the beginning is so far out of date.

If you see something that looks appealing or sparks your curiosity, use
your favorite search engine to find the home page.

HTH

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 12.0
Thunderbird 12.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.2.2