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On Mar 26, 6:09*pm, "Olórin"
wrote: ...... wrote: Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows built-in defrag can do the job for me. regards Leo "I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to boost its speed" - that's not going to help, unless: 1) the software is set to run at Windows' start-up and consumes resources or 2) you're REALLY down to close-to-zero free space and getting warnings from Windows about that Or, circuitously, if you're low on free space and XP's defragmenter can't start/complete properly, then removing enough unnecessary software might free up enough space to let it run and thereby improve performance - but I don't think that's really what you're after. There are far more worthwhile things to look into to improve speed - check through this group for previous posts with guidance on that. Nothing like 1 or 2 but I do a lot of numerical computing using MATLAB. So I want my PC to be at its best. Last time I installed webshots and system slowed down a little. Office 2007 also slowed down the system. So I try to minimize the use of fancy software. |
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deerslayer wrote:
Jose wrote: On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote: Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows built-in defrag can do the job for me. regards Leo ...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that after picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the before picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the job and. I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say). But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a better defragment tool. Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on your hard drive. And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the world knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something read,been given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you just on a trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01% recovery in the free space? You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable difference is space occupied when measured with the system's own tools, but are you positive there are not things at work which DO end up with very small and negligible space recovery? I am. When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say. I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness here, either. |
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deerslayer wrote:
Jose wrote: On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote: Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows built-in defrag can do the job for me. regards Leo ...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that after picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the before picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the job and. I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say). But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a better defragment tool. Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on your hard drive. And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the world knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something read,been given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you just on a trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01% recovery in the free space? You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable difference is space occupied when measured with the system's own tools, but are you positive there are not things at work which DO end up with very small and negligible space recovery? I am. When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say. I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness here, either. |
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Never mind! Defrag Tools
Thanks!
THE C. [MS MVP] wrote: O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth, space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional. Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best choice. Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 7:27 PM: Big_Al wrote: Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM: Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when drives got so large. Cheers, Twayne Mike Hall - MVP wrote: "......" wrote in message ... Hi, Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)? Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows built-in tool? regards Leo __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3965 (20090326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one. It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough. I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall. There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't.. Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I find it quite nice. O&O? What's its branded name? I might like to look at that but can't find anything similar to O&O. Thanks, Twayne http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/S...-Edition.shtml This is version 11, and I have a much older copy. But I'm sure this is it. That's Oh and Oh, not zero & zero by the way. |
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Thanks!
THE C. [MS MVP] wrote: O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth, space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional. Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best choice. Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 7:27 PM: Big_Al wrote: Twayne said this on 3/26/2009 2:51 PM: Never mind: Apparently you're talking about the screen display of fragmentation is represented on the disk. Yes, those are pretty inaccurate. I do recall a time you could tell what file each legend on the screen represented, but that went the way of the dinosaur when drives got so large. Cheers, Twayne Mike Hall - MVP wrote: "......" wrote in message ... Hi, Which is the best defrag tool (free/paid)? Whats the advantage of using a third-party defrag tool over Windows built-in tool? regards Leo __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3965 (20090326) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com If you want to pay, get Diskeeper 2009. You already have a free one. It is called Windows Defragmenter and works well enough. I haven't tried PerfectDisk, but even Diskeeper sets the defrag graphic to OFF by default in order to speed up the process overall. There is no benefit to a defrag graphic. All it ever shows is that the computer is doing something. Accurate it most definitely isn't.. Actually the O&O defrag tool lets you click on any of the boxes in its graphical display and it will list the files in that cluster. I find it quite nice. O&O? What's its branded name? I might like to look at that but can't find anything similar to O&O. Thanks, Twayne http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/S...-Edition.shtml This is version 11, and I have a much older copy. But I'm sure this is it. That's Oh and Oh, not zero & zero by the way. |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , THEC. @MSN.COM says... O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth, space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional. Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best choice. I'll stick with JKDefrag and not have to pay for a third-party tool that does things that are unneeded. A batch file that launches the defrag on a weekly basis, that can pack large files and leave gaps to improve performance is all that you need. It does make a noticeable difference, I agree. Once you get past the first defrag it's a smoother operation from then on and faster to perform on the same schedules as before. I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you want to move on to the next project and unless the last render went over a couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to get a cup of coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than waiting for water to boil! Cheers, Twayne |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , THEC. @MSN.COM says... O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth, space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional. Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best choice. I'll stick with JKDefrag and not have to pay for a third-party tool that does things that are unneeded. A batch file that launches the defrag on a weekly basis, that can pack large files and leave gaps to improve performance is all that you need. It does make a noticeable difference, I agree. Once you get past the first defrag it's a smoother operation from then on and faster to perform on the same schedules as before. I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you want to move on to the next project and unless the last render went over a couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to get a cup of coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than waiting for water to boil! Cheers, Twayne |
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In article ,
says... I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you want to move on to the next project and unless the last render went over a couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to get a cup of coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than waiting for water to boil! You should consider RAID-0 for your video drive and RAID-1 for your OS if this is a work/money computer. You also want to make sure that you defrag and leave space, gap, between fixed files and editable files - JKDefrag is the best tool I've seen for this method, it will make a difference in your case. -- - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist" (remove 999 for proper email address) |
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Twayne wrote:
deerslayer wrote: Jose wrote: On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote: Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows built-in defrag can do the job for me. regards Leo ...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that after picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the before picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the job and. I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say). But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a better defragment tool. Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on your hard drive. And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the world knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something read,been given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you just on a trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01% recovery in the free space? You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable difference is space occupied when measured with the system's own tools, but are you positive there are not things at work which DO end up with very small and negligible space recovery? I am. When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say. I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness here, either. Thanks Twit.... |
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Twayne wrote:
deerslayer wrote: Jose wrote: On Mar 26, 7:37 am, "......" wrote: Thanks everyone. I am not having any problem with my system but I like defragging my disk every month. I have been using auslogic for the job but now I want to uninstall all unnecessary software form my system to boost its speed. So I was wondering whether windows built-in defrag can do the job for me. regards Leo ...oh yeah, after running whatever gets run to defragment, that after picture sure looks good - not so much red stuff as in the before picture, so this tells me that the defragment really did the job and. I told you! Look how fast it is now! (they say). But after a short while... Wait - my computer is slow again or even worse and I only recovered .01% free space. Therefore I must need a better defragment tool. Why would you expect defragging to give you more disk space? Where would that space come from? You don't seem to understand the concept of defragging. The process doesn't magically give you more room on your hard drive. And why would you be so ignorant as to think everyone else in the world knows not only what you know, or would even know the basics of fragmentation, etc.. That he hasn't misinterpreted something read,been given false information elsewhere, and so on?? Or are you just on a trolling mission looking for an arguement about 0.01% recovery in the free space? You're right in that fragmentation won't make any measurable difference is space occupied when measured with the system's own tools, but are you positive there are not things at work which DO end up with very small and negligible space recovery? I am. When you have nothing to say, that's exactly what you should say. I've no intention of responding further to any of your foolishness here, either. Thanks Twit.... |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you want to move on to the next project and unless the last render went over a couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to get a cup of coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than waiting for water to boil! Actually, that's not bad advice; thanks for you time. You should consider RAID-0 for your video drive and RAID-1 for your OS if this is a work/money computer. It's more accurately described as a "pocket money" computerg. I'm retired for health reasons so some of the niceties get skipped until the "pocket" can afford more toys. I'm after another external drive next, but there should be a little left over, so maybe that'll go toward another drive for a RAID Config. I'm not sure though how RAID-0 would help that much? I must still be more ignorant of the subject than I though; care to clarify a bit please? You also want to make sure that you defrag and leave space, gap, between fixed files and editable files - JKDefrag is the best tool I've seen for this method, it will make a difference in your case. Done. And yes, it does make a difference. As for the video drive, it starts out as a blank slate after each time a project completes. Data gets archived, sent to DVDs for shipment, and then formatted prior to starting each project. A copy of the Master lives on another, separate drive along with transitions, scene changes, things like that, and scratches/renders/interim edits and final output live on the video drive. When I have to do an interim or intermediate defrag, which as I said is often, the defragger gives me three areas on the disks; Gaps are set between each of the three sets, resulting in two largish gaps depending. That way I can send the mostly unused, but kept, interim renders on the outside of the disk. Visually at leastg. Are you also a serious video editor? Cheers, Twayne |
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Leythos wrote:
In article , says... I have one drive dedicated to nothing but video work, especially rendering, so it needs to be defragged after every session unless you enjoy waiting between operations; speed matters for defrag when you want to move on to the next project and unless the last render went over a couple hours the defrag now happens in the time it takes to get a cup of coffee and take a pee break. Nothing's worse than waiting for water to boil! Actually, that's not bad advice; thanks for you time. You should consider RAID-0 for your video drive and RAID-1 for your OS if this is a work/money computer. It's more accurately described as a "pocket money" computerg. I'm retired for health reasons so some of the niceties get skipped until the "pocket" can afford more toys. I'm after another external drive next, but there should be a little left over, so maybe that'll go toward another drive for a RAID Config. I'm not sure though how RAID-0 would help that much? I must still be more ignorant of the subject than I though; care to clarify a bit please? You also want to make sure that you defrag and leave space, gap, between fixed files and editable files - JKDefrag is the best tool I've seen for this method, it will make a difference in your case. Done. And yes, it does make a difference. As for the video drive, it starts out as a blank slate after each time a project completes. Data gets archived, sent to DVDs for shipment, and then formatted prior to starting each project. A copy of the Master lives on another, separate drive along with transitions, scene changes, things like that, and scratches/renders/interim edits and final output live on the video drive. When I have to do an interim or intermediate defrag, which as I said is often, the defragger gives me three areas on the disks; Gaps are set between each of the three sets, resulting in two largish gaps depending. That way I can send the mostly unused, but kept, interim renders on the outside of the disk. Visually at leastg. Are you also a serious video editor? Cheers, Twayne |
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If you want free then DiskKeeper is good. But O & O defrag is the best. Tests
prove this over and over... nothing compares to it! Google O & O 11 defrag and you will see Olorin. Make it a great day. -- Computer/Software Tech. Charles Richmond http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ "Olórin" wrote: THE C. [MS MVP] wrote: O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth, space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional. Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best choice. snip Nonsense! Plenty of other defrag tools compare to it. In the same way as you compare to a real MS MVP. That's not to say that the comparison is necessarily favourable, mind... |
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Never mind! Defrag Tools
If you want free then DiskKeeper is good. But O & O defrag is the best. Tests
prove this over and over... nothing compares to it! Google O & O 11 defrag and you will see Olorin. Make it a great day. -- Computer/Software Tech. Charles Richmond http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ "Olórin" wrote: THE C. [MS MVP] wrote: O & O defrag is the best on the market. You can defrag in stealth, space, name, and file type or file name. I use 11 profesional. Nothing compares to it. If you want free then Diskeeper is the best choice. snip Nonsense! Plenty of other defrag tools compare to it. In the same way as you compare to a real MS MVP. That's not to say that the comparison is necessarily favourable, mind... |
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