Newsgroups, Windows live mail

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:10:24 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:54:32 -0000, "Emrys Davies"
wrote:

I downloaded (customized) WLM, but only Windows Live Essentials is shown in
'Uninstall a Programme'. After what you said I r.c. on it and I get
'Uninstall/Change, but I did not go any further because the last thing I
want to do is lose my WLM. If I c. on it would I get the options which you
describe?

r.c. appears to be "right click"
c. appears to be "click" (left click)

I wonder what the purpose of the non-standard abbreviations might be.
I don't know, but it reminds me of the WE (Windows Explorer)
abbreviation awhile back and the confusion it caused.

Yes.

Different poster, however. FWIW...

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Lee Waun wrote:



There are several cars in that lot I would love to have.


None of them would be any good to you because they don't have ashtrays!!
A chain-smoker must have an ashtray in the car that is in working order.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:36:30 -0800, relic wrote:

"Lee Waun" wrote in message
...


"relic" wrote in message
...

Wait a minute, isn't that what you're supposed to do?


No, you only replace it when the ashtray is full....

Whoa... I was wondering why my car is so old, I quit smoking!
Thanks.

What if your car doesn't have an ashtray?

Does that mean you can never get rid of it?

My back yard:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/47661552@N00/3609275630/

I seriously like that kind of photo.

But isn't that illegal fraternization? :-)

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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:34 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:13:26 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:26:16 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 02:44:59 -0600, "Valorie *~"
wrote:
[snip]

With the multitudes of email clients and newsreaders to choose
from, I can't believe you weren't able to find something you can
live with.

Did you not notice whom you were replying to? :-)

Yes, or at least I think so. I'm one of the few who hasn't plonked
this individual.

I have no problem with that -- it's a matter of individual choice. I
was really alluding to your comment to Valorie, "I can't believe you
weren't able to find something you can live with." I personally
would be surprised if Valorie *did* find something s/he could live
with, in any context. :-)

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http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On 26/01/2011 21:40, KCB wrote:

MS really pulled a fast one by including
Live Essentials updates in Windows Update.

But it doesn't get installed automatically - you have to AGREE to it
dirst....

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:41:17 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:34 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:13:26 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

Did you not notice whom you were replying to? :-)

Yes, or at least I think so. I'm one of the few who hasn't plonked
this individual.

I have no problem with that -- it's a matter of individual choice. I
was really alluding to your comment to Valorie, "I can't believe you
weren't able to find something you can live with." I personally
would be surprised if Valorie *did* find something s/he could live
with, in any context. :-)

I'm ever the optimist.

--

Char Jackson

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 03:41:17 -0500, Stan Brown wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:03:34 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:13:26 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:26:16 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 02:44:59 -0600, "Valorie *~"
wrote:
[snip]

With the multitudes of email clients and newsreaders to choose
from, I can't believe you weren't able to find something you can
live with.

Did you not notice whom you were replying to? :-)

Yes, or at least I think so. I'm one of the few who hasn't plonked
this individual.

I have no problem with that -- it's a matter of individual choice. I
was really alluding to your comment to Valorie, "I can't believe you
weren't able to find something you can live with." I personally
would be surprised if Valorie *did* find something s/he could live
with, in any context. :-)

Now why would you think that?

:-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

"John Morrison" wrote in message
b.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 08:03:00 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:26:58 +1100, John Morrison
wrote:

I bought a new computer and created 3 partitions: C: D: E: which has
been my practice for many years. IE: C: for the operating system, D: for
programs and E: for Music .

Why do you separate the operating system and programs on different
partitions? Most people who do that do it because they think that if
they ever have to reinstall Windows, they won't lose their installed
programs.

I don't think that because when I'm about to reinstall Windows I format
C: before reinstalling Windows.

Also when I sometimes dual boot Windows versions I can access my
programs on D: whichever version of Windows I boot up.

That is *not* correct. If you reinstall Windows, you will also have to
reinstall all your programs (with perhaps a rare exception).

I find it an advantage when I reinstall Windows that all the programs I
have downloaded and installed on D: retain all their data & settings.

Only if they store all their settings in files alongside the program, which
is pretty rare. Most programs store a lot of settings in the Windows
registry.


Security, antivirus or other programs that have no data & settings I
need to retain, I install straight to C: Windows .

And if E: is just for music, where do you put the rest of your data
files?

Any Windows 7 data files are automatically placed on C:.

As I mentioned above most programs that I download and install myself
are placed on D: and their data is also on D:.

You might be interested in reading this article on partitioning I've
written: "Understanding Disk Partitioning" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326

Thanks Ken, I've placed a bookmark in my browser and will have a look
after I finish posting this message.

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Brian Gregory. (In the UK)

To email me remove the letter vee.

On 1/23/2011 7:24 PM, Alex Clayton wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.




I started in with Usenet with Web-TV. I started with a computer with a
Win.ME, then XP, Vista, and now W-7. I tried OE at first since it came
with the PC. Tired it for E-Mail but never liked it as much as web based
E-mail, so I just have stuck with Yahoo.
I tried T-Bird twice. first time was long ago because so many people
said everything was better than OE. I could not get it to work so I gave
up since to me OE seemed to be working fine.
I then tried it again with Vista because for a while MS had screwed up
WM so it would not work with Usenet. As usual MS was claiming nothing
was wrong on their end. I again could not get T-Bird to work with my
news feed but before trying to find out why someone suggested a free
news feed that is called Eternal September now, it was something else
then. It worked with the WM for some reason, so again I gave up on T-Bird.
When W-7 came along I loaded WLM and it was close enough to OE and WM as
far as a news reader that I could figure it out fast so stuck with it.


According to Stan Brown's note, there are "plenty of other choices that
are superior to Thunderbird." His favorite seems to be "Gravity." Well,
I tried to access Gravity, but I didn't get any instructions on how to
use Gravity to access newsgroups. - Can someone provide some basic
advice on how to get on "Gravity" to access newsgroups, or at least, one
of the "plenty of other choices."? Or even, perhaps, one of the earlier
versions of WLM?

Thanks, and have a great day.

Jim

On 1/24/2011 6:33 PM, Jim wrote:
On 1/24/2011 5:43 PM, Lewis wrote:
In
wrote:
Thanks to all for the information. I suppose that I can stay with TB
for newsgroup access, although I don't like it for email.

I don't like it for either news or email. If I read news on a Windows
machine I'd install slrn.exe and notepad++ (or gvim, but I don't
recommend gvim to others)

The problem arose when I bought a new PC with Windows 7, downloaded
Yahoo mail, and found that it no longer provided access to newsgroups,
as far as I can tell. (Same with Windows live mail.) Regarding the
programs such as Gravity specifically intended for newsgroups, what's
the advantage of such a program over what I have now?

Thunderbird works, but I find it pretty annoying. It's been awhile since
I last used it (it was when 3.0 came out, iirc) and so I can't remember
specifically, but one thing that annoyed me was how it handled
.signature files


Folks, I have a stupid question. - After going to this newsgroup via
Thunderbird, I now find that I can't get back to Thunderbird. When I
click on the icon for TB, I can only get to this newsgroup. (So, I can't
see the accumulating mail on TB, and can't get to the list of other
newsgroups.) - I must have clicked on something I shouldn't have, but i
can't seem to resolve the problem. Does anyone have suggestions?

Jim


This particular problem (couldn't see the Thunderbird menu) was cured by
simply moving the ng screen to the right with the pointer, which
uncovered the TB inputs. Sorry for the distraction.

I'm still looking for recommendations for a good ng reader. Apparently
"Gravity" is functionally limited, Thunderbird seems rather crude, and
MS Live isn't helpful. (In my case, with the latest version, the NG
reader tells me that it can't access the internet.) What about earlier
versions of MS Live?

Thanks,
Jim

?Hi, Ken.

I finally got around to reading your article. I like it. ;)

You might want to update the line near the end ("True, partitions can be
resized when necessary, but except with Windows Vista, doing so requires
third-party software...") to include Windows 7 in your exception.

Since the Vista and Win7 betas have ended, and since 64-bit Windows and
supporting infrastructure and applications are readily available now and I
no longer feel the need to run 32-bit versions alongside 64-bit, I don't
need nearly as many partitions as I did a few years ago. I still have a
couple of "legacy" partitions that I created back in Win98/NT4.0 days that I
haven't gotten around to combining. But your reasons make a lot of sense to
me and I expect I'll have fewer partitions by the next time I see you.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-9/30/10)
Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3504.1109) in Win7 Ultimate x64
SP1 RC


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:26:58 +1100, John Morrison
wrote:

I bought a new computer and created 3 partitions: C: D: E: which has
been my practice for many years. IE: C: for the operating system, D: for
programs and E: for Music .

Why do you separate the operating system and programs on different
partitions? Most people who do that do it because they think that if
they ever have to reinstall Windows, they won't lose their installed
programs.

That is *not* correct. If you reinstall Windows, you will also have to
reinstall all your programs (with perhaps a rare exception).

And if E: is just for music, where do you put the rest of your data
files?

You might be interested in reading this article on partitioning I've
written: "Understanding Disk Partitioning" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326

On 27 Jan 2011 16:16:54 -0600, Jim wrote:

I'm still looking for recommendations for a good ng reader.

Others have said it better than me, but the "best" newsreader is the
one that YOU like best. We all have different tastes, expectations,
and ways that we work, so one size does not fit all. No one can tell
you which one to use or which one is best. Try them all and see what
you like. Some are free and the rest mostly have free trials, so you
aren't out anything but some time.

--

Char Jackson

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:03:27 -0600, "R. C. White"
wrote:

?Hi, Ken.

I finally got around to reading your article. I like it. ;)


Thanks very much, RC.


You might want to update the line near the end ("True, partitions can be
resized when necessary, but except with Windows Vista, doing so requires
third-party software...") to include Windows 7 in your exception.

Since the Vista and Win7 betas have ended, and since 64-bit Windows and
supporting infrastructure and applications are readily available now and I
no longer feel the need to run 32-bit versions alongside 64-bit, I don't
need nearly as many partitions as I did a few years ago. I still have a
couple of "legacy" partitions that I created back in Win98/NT4.0 days that I
haven't gotten around to combining. But your reasons make a lot of sense to
me and I expect I'll have fewer partitions by the next time I see you.


I wish I could, but as far as I know, I have no ability to change
anything there. I'd like to bring several of my articles there up to
date, but I can't. I can't even correct the typos, whether I made
them, or the person who edited my article made them (at this point I
can see the typos, but don't remember whether they were mine or not).

I don't even like all the "improvements" the editor made, but that's
the way it is; I have to live with them. ;-(

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:44:16 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On 27 Jan 2011 16:16:54 -0600, Jim wrote:

I'm still looking for recommendations for a good ng reader.

Others have said it better than me, but the "best" newsreader is the
one that YOU like best. We all have different tastes, expectations,
and ways that we work, so one size does not fit all. No one can tell
you which one to use or which one is best. Try them all and see what
you like. Some are free and the rest mostly have free trials, so you
aren't out anything but some time.


You said the same thing I said, but differently. Different as what we
said was, I don't know that mine was any better than yours.

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

You might be interested in reading this article on partitioning I've
written: "Understanding Disk Partitioning" at
http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326


Ken

Great article and nicely written. Thanks

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