Newsgroups, Windows live mail

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:53:39 +0000, Gordon wrote:

On 25/01/2011 19:43, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:44:21 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

So, rather than find out what your problem was, and fix it (see
Relic's reply), you took the extreme step of reinstalling Windows, and
all the work that involves. That's like replacing your car because it
got a flat tire.

Wait a minute, isn't that what you're supposed to do?


No, you only replace it when the ashtray is full....

Then I'm stuck. My car has no ashtrays. But for the same reason as
relic in his reply, I'll have the car forever anyway.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 26-Jan-11 5:21 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 25/01/2011 19:17, Bruce Hagen wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message


If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the
Control Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click |
Uninstall. At that point you are given the opportunity to check the
components you want to remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.

Thanks Bruce! I didn't know that - just seeing Windows Live Essentials
in uninstall/change, I had assumed it was all or none. Has Microsoft
done anything similar with the installation of a program "suite" where
the uninstallation is not obvious, or was Live Essentials the first?



Are you speaking of a suite other than Windows Live Essentials?

Yes - any suite.

If you are asking about WLE, you can download the entire set, or just
the ones you want.

http://explore.live.com/windows-live...tials?os=other

Is that a change from WLE 2010? I'm pretty certain that when I wanted to
download WLM about this time last year I wasn't offered an option - if I
wanted WLM I had to have all the other stuff.

I believe if you choose Save for the entire set, you can install only
the ones you want from the set, but I'm not about to test that right now.

It looks like wlsetup-web.exe is some sort of download manager. Having
just uninstalled the dross, I don't intend to try it either!

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The installer is for all Windows Live products. When set up begins, you
are given the default option of installing all or customizing your
install. This is similar to the installation of other Microsoft suites.

If you choose to install only some of the Windows Live programs, you
have to be careful when updating, as you will once again be given the
default option of installing those you didn't previously install &
updating the others or updating only those that you've already installed.

John Morrison wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

Now the situation is getting quite confusing.
The only reason I'm reading this newsgroup is because I'm considering
getting a win7 PC.
I can learn a lot from newsgroups about problems.
So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

Not necessarily, I still use the now defunct Eudora 7.1.0.9 for email,
Agent 6 for newsgroups and Opera as a browser.


Interesting. But see, I did find out new items to ponder.

On this old Sun Box, and getting long in the tooth, I'm getting little
support from Oracle since Sun sold out.
No more updates... nothing. So I'm looking to ditch this box.

You've been given some good advice, my above is just tit bits from me.

For me on this old sun box, getting other mail programs or browsers is
pretty limited now.
Even upgrading to a newer version of Thunderbird is a total pain to
install properly.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Alias wrote:
On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?


comp.os.mac.advocacy is one, but it is a cesspool.
Hard to get decent information from some of the denizens there from what
I've seen.
That's why I'm now reading this newsgroup to see how things stack up for
Win7.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Alias wrote:
On 01/25/2011 06:50 PM, Jack wrote:

"Alias" wrote in message
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On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?

Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They have
been threatened by congress too.




Why would congress care?


Well, for what it is worth, they are now pushing for an internet kill
switch for the president
in case of an emergency... whatever that could mean.
From all that I've heard in the news they don't seem to like any
criticism and would like to silence
the people... consider the Gifford shooting as an example of all the
political vitriol that was just
spewed.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:00:09 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

relic wrote:
"Tom Lake" wrote in message
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"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.

Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that
are posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features
do other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L
Look at your quoting. WLM does NOT work fine for you.


This is really wierd. All I see are two colored vertical lines.
I suppose I really should buy a new PC and see what this is all about.

It has *nothing* to do with your PC or OS. That's the way your
*newsreader*, Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118), renders the "" and
"" symbols. Try using Ctrl-u to see the source.


I see now. Everything shows the symbols as you have described, but not
messed up
on my end. I always learn something new.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 17:45, Jack wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.

And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.

No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.

Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other Live
programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the other Live
progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with them using
disk space whether you use them or not.




If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the Control
Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click | Uninstall. At that
point you are given the opportunity to check the components you want to
remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.

I downloaded (customized) WLM, but only Windows Live Essentials is shown in
'Uninstall a Programme'. After what you said I r.c. on it and I get
'Uninstall/Change, but I did not go any further because the last thing I
want to do is lose my WLM. If I c. on it would I get the options which you
describe?

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:50:35 -0800, Jack wrote:

Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They
have been threatened by congress too.

That is a myth, right up there with "you can't use our bathroom
because our insurance company says no." In other words, it's a
convenient but mendacious excuse for doing what they want to do
anyway.

In this case, "what they want to do anyway" is drop newsgroups so
that hey can save server space and support personnel. What's
mendacious is the claim that Usenet is inherently violating the
RIAA's rights. Binary groups maybe, but text groups clearly not.
And even if binary groups are posting copyright violations, that's
not sufficient to shut them down, any more than Verizon should shut
down all its phone service because someone uses a swear word in a
phone call. Look up "common carrier" doctrine.

But ISPs *want* to eliminate Usenet, so they have no interest in
fighting outside pressure. Instead they point to the outside
pressure and say "see? we have no choice."


--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On 01/26/2011 12:27 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?


comp.os.mac.advocacy is one, but it is a cesspool.
Hard to get decent information from some of the denizens there from what
I've seen.
That's why I'm now reading this newsgroup to see how things stack up for
Win7.



I meant Apple itself.

--
Alias

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:54:03 +0000, Gordon wrote:

On 25/01/2011 20:36, milt wrote:

in fact, its looking like the Eternal September that started so long ago
is finally ending, thankfully!

Eh? Citations for that please?

"Eternal September" is now a Usenet provider. But when AOL first
gatewayed to Usenet, most groups were flooded with crap postings
(like what we're now getting from WLM and what we had from egghead,
plus Google Groups). We old hands said "it's always September",
referring to the halcyon days when most Usenet postings came from
universities, so every September we had to break in a new crowd of
newbies.

Or I could have just sent you to
http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/j...eptember-that-
never-ended.html

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 17:45, Jack wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors
include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd
like
to use.

And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the
other
Live junk that comes with it.

No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.

Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other
Live programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the
other Live progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with
them using disk space whether you use them or not.




If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the
Control Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click |
Uninstall. At that point you are given the opportunity to check the
components you want to remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.

I downloaded (customized) WLM, but only Windows Live Essentials is shown
in 'Uninstall a Programme'. After what you said I r.c. on it and I get
'Uninstall/Change, but I did not go any further because the last thing I
want to do is lose my WLM. If I c. on it would I get the options which
you describe?


You *must* go one step further. Trust me. It will ask which programs you
want to remove.

That said, like everything else WM "Live", IMHO, that is a crappy way to
remove specific programs.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

"Jack" wrote in message
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"Alias" wrote in message
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On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?

Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They have
been threatened by congress too.

Google Cuomo vs usenet

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 23:54:32 -0000, "Emrys Davies"
wrote:

I downloaded (customized) WLM, but only Windows Live Essentials is shown in
'Uninstall a Programme'. After what you said I r.c. on it and I get
'Uninstall/Change, but I did not go any further because the last thing I
want to do is lose my WLM. If I c. on it would I get the options which you
describe?

r.c. appears to be "right click"
c. appears to be "click" (left click)

I wonder what the purpose of the non-standard abbreviations might be.
I don't know, but it reminds me of the WE (Windows Explorer)
abbreviation awhile back and the confusion it caused.

--

Char Jackson

Alias wrote:
On 01/26/2011 12:27 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?


comp.os.mac.advocacy is one, but it is a cesspool.
Hard to get decent information from some of the denizens there from what
I've seen.
That's why I'm now reading this newsgroup to see how things stack up for
Win7.



I meant Apple itself.


I see. No, Apple doesn't do usenet. They have their own forums just
like MS does.
Sad really. It needs more open discussions.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

"Alias" wrote in message
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On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?


Yes, Macs had a few news groups eons ago........when my daughter got her
first Mac, I found them for her. But as she says, not much goes wrong
with a Mac, so don't need forums and the like.

Btw.......you got my paella dinner ready and waiting?? (G)

Heather (and getting too old to get back to Espana.......maybe)