Trivia: Microsoft is messing with WordPad

And other stuff I'm sure. But about WordPad...

Windows 10 Pro
1709
16299.309

Now I know why the recent weird experience with WordPad, like
duplicate instances showing on restart. This is not exactly the
same, but obviously related.

1. Open WordPad.

2. Type something.

3. Do not close WordPad.

4. Use the Start button to restart.

5. Upon restart, you will see an instance of WordPad titled
filename (recovered).

If that WordPad file is on your start menu, you will have two
similar WordPad files open upon restart. If you try to save the
filename (recovered) file, you will receive an error "The document
may already be open".

John Doe wrote:

And other stuff I'm sure. But about WordPad...

Windows 10 Pro
1709
16299.309

Now I know why the recent weird experience with WordPad, like
duplicate instances showing on restart. This is not exactly the
same, but obviously related.

1. Open WordPad.

2. Type something.

3. Do not close WordPad.

That's why, right there. Windows tells WordPad "Hey, we're shutting down" and
WordPad says "Oh ****, I have unsaved data, gimme a sec" and saves the data
to some sort of recovery file.

4. Use the Start button to restart.

5. Upon restart, you will see an instance of WordPad titled
filename (recovered).

If that WordPad file is on your start menu, you will have two
similar WordPad files open upon restart. If you try to save the
filename (recovered) file, you will receive an error "The document
may already be open".

Are you seriously complaining that Microsoft is trying to save users from
their own stupidity? I mean, it's an impossible dream, but still.

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When the world's your oyster you don't generally settle for fish paste.

John Doe wrote:
And other stuff I'm sure. But about WordPad...

Windows 10 Pro
1709
16299.309

Now I know why the recent weird experience with WordPad, like
duplicate instances showing on restart. This is not exactly the
same, but obviously related.

1. Open WordPad.

2. Type something.

3. Do not close WordPad.

4. Use the Start button to restart.

5. Upon restart, you will see an instance of WordPad titled
filename (recovered).

If that WordPad file is on your start menu, you will have two
similar WordPad files open upon restart. If you try to save the
filename (recovered) file, you will receive an error "The document
may already be open".

There's the possibility of an application understanding you "killed"
it while a file was open and changes were present. Some applications
retain a "backup" file until you close out the session. They
try and recover it the next time they're started. (This
feature has been around forever, no surprises yet.)

Whereas, on the other hand, the Fall Creator has the ability to
start applications that were open when you shut down. At least
one person notices that even applications properly closed, are
getting restarted on a reboot (without clicking on them).
You can see Microsoft has made a royal UI mess of this,
providing improperly designed controls for the purpose.
And muddling together a bunch of behaviors, on local
account versus MSA signin versus domain... whatever.

https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1...on-bootreboot/

I think I had a file explorer window open about a day ago,
seemingly on its own. Now I'm beginning to understand
where that came from.

Paul

On 3/15/2018 5:49 AM, Auric__ wrote:
John Doe wrote:

And other stuff I'm sure. But about WordPad...

Windows 10 Pro
1709
16299.309

Now I know why the recent weird experience with WordPad, like
duplicate instances showing on restart. This is not exactly the
same, but obviously related.

1. Open WordPad.

2. Type something.

3. Do not close WordPad.

That's why, right there. Windows tells WordPad "Hey, we're shutting down" and
WordPad says "Oh ****, I have unsaved data, gimme a sec" and saves the data
to some sort of recovery file.

4. Use the Start button to restart.

5. Upon restart, you will see an instance of WordPad titled
filename (recovered).

If that WordPad file is on your start menu, you will have two
similar WordPad files open upon restart. If you try to save the
filename (recovered) file, you will receive an error "The document
may already be open".

Are you seriously complaining that Microsoft is trying to save users from
their own stupidity? I mean, it's an impossible dream, but still.

And the world will be better for this...........

--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman

Paul wrote in news
https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1...g-opened-apps-
on-bootreboot/

I think I had a file explorer window open about a day ago,
seemingly on its own. Now I'm beginning to understand
where that came from.

Paul

I have about seven file explorer windows that I use often enough that I
make it a practice to open them when my system starts. Note, 'I' start
them. Except for one of the windows - it has been being opened by Windows
for a couple months now. I wind up closing it because I have a defined
sequence of file explorer windows I use, so that I can jump right to the
one I want without having to read the heading of each window.

At one time I tried to set up a batch file to open these windows
automatically, but they would never open in the same sequence so I gave up
on that idea. Now, someone has graciously pointed me to the 'time' DOS
command so I should be able to guarantee the same sequence of opening each
time, but I can't remember where to put the batch file so it is executed at
startup. It's hell getting old.

"Tim" wrote in message
. 29...
Paul wrote in news
https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1...g-opened-apps-
on-bootreboot/

I think I had a file explorer window open about a day ago,
seemingly on its own. Now I'm beginning to understand
where that came from.

Paul

I have about seven file explorer windows that I use often enough that I
make it a practice to open them when my system starts. Note, 'I' start
them. Except for one of the windows - it has been being opened by Windows
for a couple months now. I wind up closing it because I have a defined
sequence of file explorer windows I use, so that I can jump right to the
one I want without having to read the heading of each window.

At one time I tried to set up a batch file to open these windows
automatically, but they would never open in the same sequence so I gave up
on that idea. Now, someone has graciously pointed me to the 'time' DOS
command so I should be able to guarantee the same sequence of opening each
time, but I can't remember where to put the batch file so it is executed
at
startup. It's hell getting old.

You can put a shortcut to it in your "Startup" folder- drag and drop, or
copy to "C:\Users\XXX\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\St art
Menu\Programs", where XXX can be your username, or Default.
Or you can add a registry entry under
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Win dows\CurrentVersion\Run"
for just you, or
"Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Wi ndows\CurrentVersion\Run"
for all users.

There. A number of ways to get confused (yes, it can be hell getting old. I
write down a helluva lot more than I used to, LOL!)
--

SC Tom

"Paul" wrote

| I think I had a file explorer window open about a day ago,
| seemingly on its own. Now I'm beginning to understand
| where that came from.
|

That functionality dates back to at least XP.
But they had the sense to provide a choice. In
Folder Options there's a checkbox under View
marked "Restore open folder windows at logon."
(Maybe it there, somewhere, on Win10?)

Actually I've always been fond of *not* having
that restore function operating. It means I don't
have to close all folders before shutting down.

It should be the same with software. A program
can know if a call to close is coming from the system
or from a click on the X. But either way, a properly
designed program should never force anything. It
should ask whether you want to save unsaved work
before closing. That, too, is "as old as the hills".
Notepad in Win98 has that much intelligence.

A program won't know if the system has crashed.
That's the only scenario where restoring the last
window makes sense. That's where the duplicate
file you mentioned would come into play.

"Auric__" wrote:

John Doe wrote:

And other stuff I'm sure. But about WordPad...

Windows 10 Guru
1709
16299.309

Now I know why the recent weird experience with WordPad, like
duplicate instances showing on restart. This is not exactly the
same, but obviously related.

1. Open WordPad.

2. Type something.

3. Do not close WordPad.

That's why, right there. Windows tells WordPad "Hey, we're
shutting down" and WordPad says "Oh ****, I have unsaved data,
gimme a sec" and saves the data to some sort of recovery file.

4. Use the Start button to restart.

5. Upon restart, you will see an instance of WordPad titled
filename (recovered).

If that WordPad file is on your start menu, you will have two
similar WordPad files open upon restart. If you try to save the
filename (recovered) file, you will receive an error "The
document may already be open".

Are you seriously complaining that Microsoft is trying to save
users from their own stupidity? I mean, it's an impossible dream,
but still.

I simply presented the facts.

If I were complaining, there is lots of stuff to complain about, for
example the fact in WordPad Shift+F3 no longer searches backwards like
it still does in most other Windows applications. I would complain
about the weird behavior in the file manager, like the Delete key not
working to delete a file, but then using the mouse works except the
file manager loses focus afterwards. That is just weird. And then,
beginning in prior iterations of file manager, for some idiotic reason
Microsoft no longer shows on the right-hand pane what is selected on
the left-hand pane. And the fact using the arrow keys no longer works
for browsing from the left-hand pane in the file manager.

Plenty to complain about, but I was not complaining.

"Mayayana" wrote:

"Paul" wrote

| I think I had a file explorer window open about a day ago,
| seemingly on its own. Now I'm beginning to understand where that
| came from.

That functionality dates back to at least XP.
But they had the sense to provide a choice. In Folder Options
there's a checkbox under View marked "Restore open folder windows
at logon." (Maybe it there, somewhere, on Win10?)

It there. It is called "Restore previous folder windows at logon".

Actually I've always been fond of *not* having
that restore function operating. It means I don't have to close
all folders before shutting down.

It is useful when installing drivers and programs, getting me back
to the point of interest when doing a new install of Windows.

"SC Tom" wrote in news


"Tim" wrote in message
. 29...
Paul wrote in
news
https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1...ing-opened-app
s- on-bootreboot/

I think I had a file explorer window open about a day ago,

You can put a shortcut to it in your "Startup" folder- drag and drop,
or copy to "C:\Users\XXX\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\St art
Menu\Programs", where XXX can be your username, or Default.
Or you can add a registry entry under
"Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Win dows\CurrentVersion\R
un" for just you, or
"Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Wi ndows\CurrentVersion\
Run" for all users.

There. A number of ways to get confused (yes, it can be hell getting
old. I write down a helluva lot more than I used to, LOL!)

Thank you. My next step would have been my old friends at How To Geek.