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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?



 
 
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  #16  
Old January 29th 15, 10:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
philo[_8_]
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

On 01/29/2015 01:53 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per philo:
On all Windows machines used for work I'm turning off auto-update...then
will manually update on /my/ schedule and not Microsoft's.


Based on past experience I predict that you will still get burned -
albeit not as frequently.


A few months back an update ruined one of my wife's work computers...
and though I repaired the damage, it took a lot of work on my part.

The project was so critical that we had /two/ other machines ready to
put on line with the same software and data.


I had an update go bad on a Windows 7 VAIO laptop that took it down for
almost a week before I figured out how to get it back. Can't recall the
details, but it was a Windows Update gone wrong.

At the time I was whining in various fora and kept hearing "Well, it's
not happening to anybody else, so you must have done something wrong..."

But I did not do anything except click "OK" for proceeding with the
updates.




Considering that the machine only had one glitch within the past few
years...is not too bad of a record...but this was a fairly major one.



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  #17  
Old January 30th 15, 10:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

(PeteCresswell) wrote:


I can't understand why *any* update should be forced if the user has
elected to be prompted.


Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is
one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine -
that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU
to do its job.

Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU
engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows
thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time)


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  #18  
Old January 30th 15, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
(PeteCresswell)
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

Per . . .winston:
Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is
one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine -
that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU
to do its job.


Then somebody would have to explain why I got 55 updates a week or so
ago. They would also have to explain why, if somebody has been OK
without that new version of the update engine for the past week, they
need it *right now* and not a few hours later at their convenience.


Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU
engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows
thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time)


That's all very well - and the lawyers are doing their job. But try
telling it to some guy who has a bunch of users on their back while they
are trying to troubleshoot a production problem and they get "Please
wait...." when rebooting.


I know it's never going to change - but, like MS' moving the furniture
around with each new release, it's something that cries out for a
rational explanation.
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  #19  
Old January 30th 15, 06:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:14:47 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per . . .winston:
Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is
one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine -
that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU
to do its job.


Then somebody would have to explain why I got 55 updates a week or so
ago.


A couple of likely explanations are that you install updates so infrequently
that the number climbs that high when you finally get around to it, or you
just installed a Microsoft product and now you're eligible to receive all of
the pending updates for that product.

All of that begs the question of what you mean by "got 55 updates". They
were offered to you? You chose to download them? You chose to install them?
You chose to reboot? If you're in the middle of a production issue, don't
choose to do any of those things until things calm down.

They would also have to explain why, if somebody has been OK
without that new version of the update engine for the past week, they
need it *right now* and not a few hours later at their convenience.


Do you even notice that kind of update when it happens? I don't.

Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU
engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows
thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time)


That's all very well - and the lawyers are doing their job. But try
telling it to some guy who has a bunch of users on their back while they
are trying to troubleshoot a production problem and they get "Please
wait...." when rebooting.


Don't install updates when you're in the middle of something hot and heavy.


  #20  
Old January 30th 15, 09:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
(PeteCresswell)
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

Per Char Jackson:

All of that begs the question of what you mean by "got 55 updates". They
were offered to you? You chose to download them? You chose to install them?
You chose to reboot? If you're in the middle of a production issue, don't
choose to do any of those things until things calm down.


I had Windows Update set to notification only - i.e just tell me about
updates and don't even download them.

I chose nothing. Just rebooted for reasons I cannot recall. Was not
working a production problem at the time, but I find reboots to be
fairly common in times of trouble... missing connections, security
issues... call the Help Desk and like-as-not the first thing they'll
tell me is "Try a reboot".
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  #21  
Old January 30th 15, 11:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:51:59 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per Char Jackson:

All of that begs the question of what you mean by "got 55 updates". They
were offered to you? You chose to download them? You chose to install them?
You chose to reboot? If you're in the middle of a production issue, don't
choose to do any of those things until things calm down.


I had Windows Update set to notification only - i.e just tell me about
updates and don't even download them.

I chose nothing. Just rebooted for reasons I cannot recall.


I get your point, but I'm smelling some exaggeration. ;-)

Was not
working a production problem at the time, but I find reboots to be
fairly common in times of trouble... missing connections, security
issues... call the Help Desk and like-as-not the first thing they'll
tell me is "Try a reboot".


Rebooting is an excellent first step, generally, so I can't blame them
there.

  #22  
Old January 31st 15, 10:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per . . .winston:
Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is
one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine -
that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU
to do its job.


Then somebody would have to explain why I got 55 updates a week or so
ago. They would also have to explain why, if somebody has been OK
without that new version of the update engine for the past week, they
need it *right now* and not a few hours later at their convenience.


If you knew you had 55 updates, then it wasn't the Windows Update
engine needing an update agreeing to install them, its not coded to
perform that task.

Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU
engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows
thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time)


That's all very well - and the lawyers are doing their job. But try
telling it to some guy who has a bunch of users on their back while they
are trying to troubleshoot a production problem and they get "Please
wait...." when rebooting.


That guy operates under the same conditions as everyone else and by use
of the software those 'bunch of users' agreed to the same EULA.

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  #23  
Old January 31st 15, 05:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
(PeteCresswell)
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

Per . . .winston:
If you knew you had 55 updates, then it wasn't the Windows Update
engine needing an update agreeing to install them, its not coded to
perform that task.


But it did install them - and without any prompt.

And that was not the only time I've gotten unasked-for/unprompted
updates when I had Windows Update set to not do that.

Others have had the same experience.

I come away from reading of other people's accounts with the idea that
one proposed explanation is it will do that if/when the update engine
needs to be updated.

But maybe I read that wrong... Still it's happened to me and happened to
others.
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  #24  
Old February 1st 15, 05:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
(PeteCresswell)
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

Per Wolf K:
Some security updates are done regardless of your settings, and MS isn't
the only one that does it. Mozilla has been updating FF security holes
by stealth for some time now.

IMO, a lot of sudden, inexplicable glitches are caused by these stealth
updates. Eg....


Coincidentally, I just had to re-image the PC that I had been going
on-and-on about.

The thing just stopped booting... period.

Yeah... Correlation Causation..... but I'll never know.... -)
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  #25  
Old February 7th 15, 09:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Bob F[_2_]
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Default Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per philo:
On all Windows machines used for work I'm turning off
auto-update...then will manually update on /my/ schedule and not
Microsoft's.


Based on past experience I predict that you will still get burned -
albeit not as frequently.


A few months back an update ruined one of my wife's work computers...
and though I repaired the damage, it took a lot of work on my part.

The project was so critical that we had /two/ other machines ready to
put on line with the same software and data.


I had an update go bad on a Windows 7 VAIO laptop that took it down
for almost a week before I figured out how to get it back. Can't
recall the details, but it was a Windows Update gone wrong.

At the time I was whining in various fora and kept hearing "Well, it's
not happening to anybody else, so you must have done something
wrong..."

But I did not do anything except click "OK" for proceeding with the
updates.


You guys have just about convinced me to stick with XP, where I can effectively
turn off auto update, and there are no new updates anyway.


 




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