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On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:24:56 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 19:06:38 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:09:42 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:56:58 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:04:54 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:53:20 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:19:13 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:03:48 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know
that rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem.
I'm very surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it makes me extremely
happy to know that this feature is disabled.

At the time I was busy cleaning up the remnants off my hard drive that was
eating up a lot of space. Unfortuanely, one particular remnant directory
was also tied to VS. VS wouldn't load any projects. So I resorted to the
restore point. Problem solved. All you have to do is make a restore
point once a week and you won't have any problems.

Regarding that last sentence, I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a
second.

Then you apparently just don't do much system cleaning then.

No, that's not the problem with that statement. The problem is that you're
saying that if everyone made a restore point once a week then no one would
have any problems. Restore points don't prevent problems, as you surely must
know. In the best case, they might fix an issue, but you never know what
else they might 'fix' at the same time. Restore points aren't able to read
your mind. Instead, they just change everything they think they should
change, all at once. In anything less than the best case, they make one or
more changes to your system without fixing the issue you're currently
interested in, so you're left wondering what got changed while knowing that
the thing that was surely broken is still broken. It's sort of a lose-lose.

I'd say "In anything less than the best case, they make one or more
changes to your system without fixing the issue you're currently
interested in" is quite an exaggeration...

How about "in some of the worst cases" as a more moderate - and IMO
*much* more accurate - qualifier?

I've never experienced the extreme of which you write.

I re-read my text and compared it to yours, and I think I have to stay with
mine. Aren't there really only two possible outcomes when you roll back to a
previous restore point? Either your issue is resolved, or it isn't. Either
way, the user has no idea what else was changed in the process. I don't see
a gray area in between "my issue was resolved" and "my issue wasn't
resolved", and in both of those cases there can be other things that got
changed that you may not even see until later because you're focused on the
thing you were trying to resolve.

Am I looking at it wrong?

You have ignored a range of grey shades (way more than 50, IME).

Give me some hints, please. What am I overlooking?

(I'm not intentionally ignoring anything, so I translated 'ignored' into
'overlooking'.)


I'm going to try to wrap up by doing one last post, then I'll follow your
lead, at least until the topic comes up again next time. :-)

For one thing, many people have already posted about having their butts
saved by restoring to an earlier restore point, me among them.

I fully acknowledge that it works (sometimes or even most of the time). My
only concern is, and has always been, that the process isn't transparent.

If it fixes the issue that you're trying to fix, then you know it made
changes related to that issue. However, whether restoring fixed the issue or
not, there's no way to tell what *other* system-level changes it made at the
same time. That's pretty black/white to me, and it makes me too
uncomfortable to consider using it. I certainly can't use it on someone
else's system, for example.

I have absolutely no problem with other people using it, of course. I assume
they've weighed the pros and cons and then decided the benefits outweigh the
risks. I'm fine with that.

I will say no more on this topic.

Thanks for trying to enlighten me.

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:24:56 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


For one thing, many people have already posted about having their butts
saved by restoring to an earlier restore point, me among them.


Me too.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:24:56 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


For one thing, many people have already posted about having their butts
saved by restoring to an earlier restore point, me among them.


Me too.

Out of curiosity, but do you have any info on what David Cutler is working
on now at MS?