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I Have Had it with Microsoft
On 2015-08-24 12:49 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2015-08-24, A.M wrote: I did. Perhaps. Like typical users here, their definition of "awful" may well equate to "doesn't run Microsoft Office" or "the computer didn't come with it." Hearsay. My definition of "awful" includes things like "doesn't come with source code so I don't really know what's in there or what it's doing" and "dealing with product activation." I'm sure that you look at the source code on a daily basis too. In reality, the majority of users who insist on having the source code never look at it and only _believe_ that its inclusions means that the software isn't hiding anything. Unless you actually went ahead and looked at the code for every component of the operating system you use as well as its software, you have no way of knowing whether it is spying on you and sending information back to some organization. Linux losers like to claim that it's impossible to put any kind of spy mechanism in Linux because of the "thousand eyes" looking at the code but these eyes are the same ones responsible for Heartbleed and Linux's many other security issues. -- A.M Your pet's opinion on technology is more valid than that of a Linux advocate |
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On 2015-08-24 12:49 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2015-08-24, A.M wrote: I did. Perhaps. Like typical users here, their definition of "awful" may well equate to "doesn't run Microsoft Office" or "the computer didn't come with it." My definition of "awful" includes things like "doesn't come with source code so I don't really know what's in there or what it's doing" and "dealing with product activation." I just want to add that there's no reason to believe that the source code included with software is exactly the same thing as what the distribution has included. For all you know, the source code is clean but the binary provided isn't. -- A.M Your pet's opinion on technology is more valid than that of a Linux advocate |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:54:42 -0500, Johnny wrote:
My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. There are many who have felt the same way over the years. You should have good experiences with Linux - I use Debian myself. |
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On 2015-08-24, A.M wrote:
Hearsay. You apparently don't know the difference between speculation and hearsay. No surprise. Unless of course you are saying that your own information is merely hearsay, which would not surprise me. The rest of your spew is nonsense. Without source code, Windows users are completely hostage to Microsoft, not even a theoretical chance of examination. That's a fact. And ALL systems have security flaws. But really, you are wasting your time here. You need to be advising IBM of what a terrible mistake they are making in bringing out a new line of Linux-only mainframes. You can put them on the right path! With today's communications you don't even need to leave your mom's basement. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On 2015-08-24 1:14 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2015-08-24, A.M wrote: Hearsay. You apparently don't know the difference between speculation and hearsay. No surprise. Unless of course you are saying that your own information is merely hearsay, which would not surprise me. You're right, you were speculating and it wasn't hearsay. However, you were saying that you think Cubans' desire to use Windows has to do with the fact that it came with the computer and it runs Office which is idiotic to say the least. The country is strongly opposed to proprietary software in every way and its computers are usually old refurbished models which come with the state-sponsored distribution rather than Windows. What comes with the machine is Nova Linux and LibreOffice. If they were content to use whatever came with the machine, they would be using those. Instead, they ACTIVELY pursue Windows XP even though their knowledge of the operating system is limited as a result of American products being effectively boycotted. Like I said, it says a lot about the quality of Linux when the threat of being shot for using something other than Linux is not enough to keep you within the Linux ecosystem. The rest of your spew is nonsense. Without source code, Windows users are completely hostage to Microsoft, not even a theoretical chance of examination. That's a fact. And ALL systems have security flaws. Apparently, you don't know how capitalism works. People don't create something only to make it very easy for others to copy their work. If buying a license for Windows entitled you to see the code, it would mean that other companies would be free to create all sorts of illegal clones of the operating system based on the work of programmers PAID by Microsoft. It is their right to protect their creations whether by patents or by laws and no company is stupid enough to give it away just because some jobless, bearded asshole named Richard Stallman thinks that it might be unethical or remove power from the user. The same way an artist protects his work as much as he can with copyright law, Microsoft and other proprietary software companies protect their work from being freely distributed with product keys, activation and closed code. If you think that this is wrong then go ahead and use Linux but I actually like the way capitalism works and do NOT believe that Microsoft should be forced to share the code its well-paid programmers were compensated for creating. If you're stupid enough to believe that it wouldn't be copied so easily or that companies would refrain from re-using the code in illegal projects, think of the Atari VCS which was eventually re-created as an add-on for the ColecoVision (allowing the console to play Atari games on a competing system) and the Coleco Gemini (a console fully compatible with the Atari VCS which competed with it). The fact that Atari had used off-the-shelf parts and made it fairly clear how the system was designed ended up costing them millions in competing against their own product made by other companies. But really, you are wasting your time here. You need to be advising IBM of what a terrible mistake they are making in bringing out a new line of Linux-only mainframes. You can put them on the right path! You're using IBM as a model of success? Are we talking about the company which: a) Created the IBM PC, the most influential computer of all-time, only to be cloned and become insignificant as a computer manufacturer a few years later? b) Sold off their hard disk line after massive failures around 2003? c) Failed to get even a 1% market share with OS/2 and got slaughtered by Windows and Microsoft? d) Routinely lays off thousands of employees just to stay in the black for their shareholders? http://www.forbes.com/sites/benkepes/2015/01/28/the-ibm-axe-starts-chopping-widespread-layoffs-begin/ e) Has lost most of its stock value since embracing Linux in 1999? Yeah, IBM makes _excellent_ decisions and Linux turned out just *FINE* for a company that doesn't even produce computers anymore and is more of a technological joke than anything else. With today's communications you don't even need to leave your mom's basement. I'm willing to bet that my house is bigger than yours is and that I drive a much prettier car. If you're a Linux user, I think it's safe to assume that you haven't showered in months which is fine because you can't afford soap to begin with. -- A.M Your pet's opinion on technology is more valid than that of a Linux advocate |
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Al Drake wrote:
On 8/23/2015 12:50 PM, Dave Cohen wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:08:02 -0400, A.M wrote: On 2015-08-22 3:54 PM, Johnny wrote: My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. While I still consider Linux to be absolute trash, I understand your frustration and desire to check out the competition. You'll be back soon enough though; Linux is just too awful for anyone to stick to it. Well I'm someone and I use Linux Mint alongside Windows 7 Professional. Surely people are free to use whatever they wish without gratuitous insults from people like you and Old Guy. At least you aren't appending a bunch of HTML code at the end of your post. I have Mint on a DVD but every time I boot into Linux I find I have to reset things like my video card configuration so I can use two monitors. Is there a way I can update these settings to the DVD or should I simply devote one system to Linux and install on the SSD? If you have room for a FAT32 partition, you can put a 4GB "casper-rw" file on the FAT32 partition. There's supposed to be a way to have the DVD keep state information inside the casper-rw file. The casper-rw is actually a bitmap file that holds an entire EXT4 partition. It is loopback mounted by the OS, and overlays slash so that files that get changed during a session, are recorded inside the casper-rw file. The FAT32 file system, sets the upper limit on casper-rw to 4GB, so you cannot make a persistent store larger than that. The reason FAT32 is selected, probably has more to do with designing a USB stick format, than dealing with more capable desktop/hard drive setups. And some DVDs, you could make a single EXT flavor partition on your hard drive, and no GRUB at all. And store the contents of the DVD in that partition. When you run the DVD, from the kernel boot line, you use something like fromhd=/dev/sda3 and that tells Linux to run the squashfs file it finds on /dev/sda3 disk (third partition of the first disk). I used that technique with Knoppix, back when Knoppix was all the rage. Knoppix at the time, was a 3GB DVD, and on computers here that only had a CD drive, I constructed a Knoppix CD (no squashfs) and used it as a boot loader, until the fromhd thing cuts in, and Knoppix would use the hard drive partition. Then the CD could be ejected. There are all sorts of tricks for this stuff. And some of it, changing over time (as to whether it is supported or not). ******* You need a "persistent store", to be able to keep session state between boot cycles. Paul |
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ray carter wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:54:42 -0500, Johnny wrote: My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. There are many who have felt the same way over the years. You should have good experiences with Linux - I use Debian myself. Back up the hard drive, before using Debian. Debian is the least user-friendly distro you could latch onto. Whereas hard drive backup is optional while testing other Linux distros, for Debian the odds are high (as a first time user), you'll make a mistake and regret your moves later. That's why backup is mandatory before testing Debian. I've tested Debian desktop and Debian server. The server version is lots of fun, as you add a DE manually to a text only operator screen :-) I used to have pictures of my desktop setup experiments, but Imageshack deleted all the pictures I uploaded. So now I have nothing. Paul |
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On 8/24/2015 4:12 PM, Paul wrote:
Al Drake wrote: On 8/23/2015 12:50 PM, Dave Cohen wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:08:02 -0400, A.M wrote: On 2015-08-22 3:54 PM, Johnny wrote: My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. While I still consider Linux to be absolute trash, I understand your frustration and desire to check out the competition. You'll be back soon enough though; Linux is just too awful for anyone to stick to it. Well I'm someone and I use Linux Mint alongside Windows 7 Professional. Surely people are free to use whatever they wish without gratuitous insults from people like you and Old Guy. At least you aren't appending a bunch of HTML code at the end of your post. I have Mint on a DVD but every time I boot into Linux I find I have to reset things like my video card configuration so I can use two monitors. Is there a way I can update these settings to the DVD or should I simply devote one system to Linux and install on the SSD? If you have room for a FAT32 partition, you can put a 4GB "casper-rw" file on the FAT32 partition. There's supposed to be a way to have the DVD keep state information inside the casper-rw file. The casper-rw is actually a bitmap file that holds an entire EXT4 partition. It is loopback mounted by the OS, and overlays slash so that files that get changed during a session, are recorded inside the casper-rw file. The FAT32 file system, sets the upper limit on casper-rw to 4GB, so you cannot make a persistent store larger than that. The reason FAT32 is selected, probably has more to do with designing a USB stick format, than dealing with more capable desktop/hard drive setups. And some DVDs, you could make a single EXT flavor partition on your hard drive, and no GRUB at all. And store the contents of the DVD in that partition. When you run the DVD, from the kernel boot line, you use something like fromhd=/dev/sda3 and that tells Linux to run the squashfs file it finds on /dev/sda3 disk (third partition of the first disk). I used that technique with Knoppix, back when Knoppix was all the rage. Knoppix at the time, was a 3GB DVD, and on computers here that only had a CD drive, I constructed a Knoppix CD (no squashfs) and used it as a boot loader, until the fromhd thing cuts in, and Knoppix would use the hard drive partition. Then the CD could be ejected. There are all sorts of tricks for this stuff. And some of it, changing over time (as to whether it is supported or not). ******* You need a "persistent store", to be able to keep session state between boot cycles. Paul Well Paul I have to thank you again. You must understand that what you offered is all Geek to me. I will do some more reading and at some point when I get to overwhelmed I just go for it and see what happens. Booting the DVD takes several minutes and this particular system doesn't seem to accommodate booting from USB stick but I'll be playing with a different one. Is there any advantage to using a RAMdisk? I've been waiting to find a use for the one I read that you have played with. I am using the free version and I think that is limited to 4 Gigs. |
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On 8/24/2015 4:19 PM, Paul wrote:
ray carter wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:54:42 -0500, Johnny wrote: My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. There are many who have felt the same way over the years. You should have good experiences with Linux - I use Debian myself. Back up the hard drive, before using Debian. Debian is the least user-friendly distro you could latch onto. Whereas hard drive backup is optional while testing other Linux distros, for Debian the odds are high (as a first time user), you'll make a mistake and regret your moves later. That's why backup is mandatory before testing Debian. I've tested Debian desktop and Debian server. The server version is lots of fun, as you add a DE manually to a text only operator screen :-) I used to have pictures of my desktop setup experiments, but Imageshack deleted all the pictures I uploaded. So now I have nothing. Paul Paul, that's funny. You didn't back them up? |
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On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:19:53 -0400, Paul wrote:
ray carter wrote: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:54:42 -0500, Johnny wrote: My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. There are many who have felt the same way over the years. You should have good experiences with Linux - I use Debian myself. Back up the hard drive, before using Debian. Debian is the least user-friendly distro you could latch onto. Whereas hard drive backup is optional while testing other Linux distros, for Debian the odds are high (as a first time user), you'll make a mistake and regret your moves later. That's why backup is mandatory before testing Debian. I've tested Debian desktop and Debian server. The server version is lots of fun, as you add a DE manually to a text only operator screen :-) I used to have pictures of my desktop setup experiments, but Imageshack deleted all the pictures I uploaded. So now I have nothing. Paul I didn't mean to imply OP should use Debian - he'll most likely be quite happy with Mint. Certainly backup - always back up anything you'd hate to lose before doing anything unfamiliar or twiddling the system. Generally, I've found that any distro using Debian Package Management is quite good - certainly robust and secure. |
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Al Drake wrote:
On 8/24/2015 4:12 PM, Paul wrote: Al Drake wrote: On 8/23/2015 12:50 PM, Dave Cohen wrote: On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:08:02 -0400, A.M wrote: On 2015-08-22 3:54 PM, Johnny wrote: My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. While I still consider Linux to be absolute trash, I understand your frustration and desire to check out the competition. You'll be back soon enough though; Linux is just too awful for anyone to stick to it. Well I'm someone and I use Linux Mint alongside Windows 7 Professional. Surely people are free to use whatever they wish without gratuitous insults from people like you and Old Guy. At least you aren't appending a bunch of HTML code at the end of your post. I have Mint on a DVD but every time I boot into Linux I find I have to reset things like my video card configuration so I can use two monitors. Is there a way I can update these settings to the DVD or should I simply devote one system to Linux and install on the SSD? If you have room for a FAT32 partition, you can put a 4GB "casper-rw" file on the FAT32 partition. There's supposed to be a way to have the DVD keep state information inside the casper-rw file. The casper-rw is actually a bitmap file that holds an entire EXT4 partition. It is loopback mounted by the OS, and overlays slash so that files that get changed during a session, are recorded inside the casper-rw file. The FAT32 file system, sets the upper limit on casper-rw to 4GB, so you cannot make a persistent store larger than that. The reason FAT32 is selected, probably has more to do with designing a USB stick format, than dealing with more capable desktop/hard drive setups. And some DVDs, you could make a single EXT flavor partition on your hard drive, and no GRUB at all. And store the contents of the DVD in that partition. When you run the DVD, from the kernel boot line, you use something like fromhd=/dev/sda3 and that tells Linux to run the squashfs file it finds on /dev/sda3 disk (third partition of the first disk). I used that technique with Knoppix, back when Knoppix was all the rage. Knoppix at the time, was a 3GB DVD, and on computers here that only had a CD drive, I constructed a Knoppix CD (no squashfs) and used it as a boot loader, until the fromhd thing cuts in, and Knoppix would use the hard drive partition. Then the CD could be ejected. There are all sorts of tricks for this stuff. And some of it, changing over time (as to whether it is supported or not). ******* You need a "persistent store", to be able to keep session state between boot cycles. Paul Well Paul I have to thank you again. You must understand that what you offered is all Geek to me. I will do some more reading and at some point when I get to overwhelmed I just go for it and see what happens. Booting the DVD takes several minutes and this particular system doesn't seem to accommodate booting from USB stick but I'll be playing with a different one. Is there any advantage to using a RAMdisk? I've been waiting to find a use for the one I read that you have played with. I am using the free version and I think that is limited to 4 Gigs. On the test machine, I have a larger RAMdisk. It's large enough, to just barely install two OSes, in a .vhd container. And have it all in RAM. And the funny part of that, is it runs no faster than a regular hard drive. Even though I even changed my %temp% pointer, to prevent usage of the C: hard drive for mapped things. Some things just *refuse* to run fast :-( What the RAMDisk amounts to now, is it is mostly a scratch pad, a place to store files temporarily when moving stuff from one partition to another. That sort of thing. To make it easier on the mechanical drives when moving a couple hundred thousand small files. It still doesn't have sufficient utility, to run down to the computer store, and just buy RAM for this specific purpose. ******* Even when you have a lot of RAM, things still run slow. I used the latest version of Microsoft ICE to make a panoramic image. The first stages of the operation finished in about five minutes. It took *one week* to produce an actual output file with the Export option. With the computer writing to a temporary file at 1MB/sec. The more that computers get faster, the more they run slower. Etc. This is one of the reasons I'm against the new whizzy I/O added to Z170 chipset. It implies that "I can make a space ship if I own a new motherboard". The evidence is, it's nothing of the sort. All that fast I/O is worthless. It might as well be the PCI bus for all the good it does in real work situations. Hardware resources are wasted, on modern computing. Like all those cores on my test machine, twiddling their thumbs all the time. Because nobody seems to be able to write multi-threaded code. Paul |
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-= Hawk =- wrote in
web.com: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 00:49:55 +0000 (UTC), Cujo DeSockpuppet scribbled: -= Hawk =- wrote in raweb.com: On 23 Aug 2015 11:41:47 GMT, Bucky Breeder scribbled: -= Hawk =- posted this via straweb.com: On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:54:42 -0500, Johnny scribbled: My computer with Windows 8.1 is downloading Windows 10 right now. I had updates set to download the updates but to let me choose which ones to install. So while it's downloading, I checked my update settings, and sure enough, it was still set to only check for updates, not to install them. I am removing Windows 8.1 from that computer, and I'm removing Windows 7 Professional from another computer, and I will only be using Linux Mint from now on. And who's supposed to care? Yer mama, apparently. As an obviously deformed and mentally ill thalidomide baby from the '60s, she didn't abort you, now did she? But that was probably mainly because of the welfare checks and food stamps she would have missed out on to support her crack and heroin habits if she'd just flushed you once and for all back then. Alas, hindsight, ehhh? Do you just cut and past these? Oh, hey, hi AUK! Any of the old crowd around? Your buddy Emmett Gulley is back in prison for stalking. SSDD. No ****? I knew that boy was going to be going places. Any sightings of Erik Mouse? I know Bullis is supposed to be ****ing up over in 24hoursupport but I haven't wandered thar way in a while. Haven't seen Emmy's buddy in ages. I understand his family lived near me but I never cared to find out. I recall looking for Erik's sites a few years and they were still up but not maintained. -- Cujo - The Official Overseer of Kooks and Trolls in dfw.*, alt.paranormal, alt.astrology and alt.astrology.metapsych. Supreme Holy Overlord of alt.****nozzles. Winner of the 8/2000, 2/2003 & 4/2007 HL&S award. July 2005 Hammer of Thor. Winning Trainer - Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895. "I WILL GO IN PERSON AND TAKE ALL LEGAL, ETHICAL, AND MATERIAL ACTION I CAN" -Edmo finally right, but not in the way he expected .... This signature was made by SigChanger. You can find SigChanger at: http://www.phranc.nl/ |
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mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 05:00:17 +0000 (UTC), Stef wrote: I've never like Ubuntu since the day it was released, and I tested it for two weeks before uninstalling it. Never tried it again. Although, it seems to be one of the most popular distros, it's too non-standard Linux for me. How is it non-standard? Part of the problem with Linux is that there are no standards. Actually, there are "standards," but following them is voluntary. Canonical chose to deviate from them to suit their purposes. For example, there is no root (admin in Windows speak) account by default. (It can be enabled though.) Root adminstration is handle by users using the "sudo" call which is enabled by default and is more insecure. On almost all other distros, the opposite is true: root is the default; sudo is not. There are others like where configurations are put, but they're minor oddities. Stef |
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On 24/08/15 15:18, mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 05:00:17 +0000 (UTC), Stef wrote: I've never like Ubuntu since the day it was released, and I tested it for two weeks before uninstalling it. Never tried it again. Although, it seems to be one of the most popular distros, it's too non-standard Linux for me. How is it non-standard? Part of the problem with Linux is that there are no standards. Has Windows got Standard? |
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On 25/08/15 04:17, Stef wrote:
For example, there is no root (admin in Windows speak) account by default. Is it any different from Windows? Windows hasn't got Administrator Account by default but you can enable it in the same way as you can enable a root account in Ubuntu. They are all copying from each other. Soon you will find Microsoft creating software for Linux because the main users for its Azzure platform are Linux users. |
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