ReactOS

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:13:30 +0100, John Q. Public wrote:


Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically.

You do know that Slimer is just another turd who infests the "linux
advocacy" groups.

Slimer wrote:

On 2016-02-17 11:58 AM, Stef wrote:
/less wrote:

Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/

Been following its development for some years now just out of
curiousity. If it ever reaches "final release" status, will it run my
old Windows 2000 or XP apps? Didn't think so. That's much of the
reason that many don't upgrade to newer Windows: the excessive cost of
to replace all that perfectly good, working, still useful software.

As well as the hardware from that era which probably won't work with
subsequent releases. If Windows 2000 and XP are good enough for you and
you don't mind that they're basically full of holes as a result of a
lack of continued Microsoft support, there's nothing wrong with that.
Hell, George R. R. Martin uses WordStar on an old 286 running MS-DOS.

Well, I figure after a dozen years of updates, bug and security fixes,
all that can be fixed has been. I just don't use XP (or W2k) as my
everyday OS. I just use it when it's needed.

Stef

Slimer wrote:

On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/

I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once
installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working
at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't
deserve to be run in general.
[snip]

And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading
on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't
just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle.
Usually some pre-install reading is in order,
even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome.
For example, some RAID packages support "migration",
you can install the OS on a single disk, then
"migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID
rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen,
first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID
supports migration, and you learn that by reading.
I can think of at least two RAID implementations,
where extra effort was put into software RAID
migration for the array.

Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016,
still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old
technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it
entirely.

I don't know about your system, but my motherboard has hardware
RAID built-in -- not that I use it, and the last two installs of Linux I
did (in virtual machines no less), during the partitioning phase, had
options for RAID. Maybe you missed it. Even installs not in VM
recognized that RAID was available and offered the option. Maybe, you
really don't have RAID or it's a software one.

Stef

On 02/17/2016 09:14 PM, Stef wrote:
Slimer wrote:

On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/

I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once
installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working
at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't
deserve to be run in general.
[snip]

And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading
on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't
just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle.
Usually some pre-install reading is in order,
even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome.
For example, some RAID packages support "migration",
you can install the OS on a single disk, then
"migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID
rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen,
first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID
supports migration, and you learn that by reading.
I can think of at least two RAID implementations,
where extra effort was put into software RAID
migration for the array.

Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016,
still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old
technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it
entirely.

I don't know about your system, but my motherboard has hardware
RAID built-in -- not that I use it, and the last two installs of Linux I
did (in virtual machines no less), during the partitioning phase, had
options for RAID. Maybe you missed it. Even installs not in VM
recognized that RAID was available and offered the option. Maybe, you
really don't have RAID or it's a software one.

Stef


He doesn't use Linux. He never tried to install Linux. So
his nonexistent Linux doesn't see his Raid setup.
That also presumes that he knows how to set raid up.

--
Caver1

sctvguy1 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:13:30 +0100, John Q. Public wrote:


Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically.

You do know that Slimer is just another turd who infests the "linux
advocacy" groups.


No, I didn't but I'm not surprised.

--
John Q. Public

On 2016-02-17 7:10 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/17/2016 06:01 PM, Slimer wrote:


I snipped it because your level of English was fairly embarrassing as
was the suggestion that it was somehow a poem.





Ok I'll give you another one to critique:

No, you won't. I have no interest in your desire to speak about poetry
when the topic is Windows 10 and its superiority over garbage like Linux.


--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.

On 2016-02-17 8:03 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/

I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once
installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working
at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't
deserve to be run in general.


Did you research what distro that Steam gamers are using ?

My guess is, you picked the wrong distro for this.

Typical Linux user response. There should be no handicap to a Linux
user who chooses Sabayon over Debian; they should all work in the same
manner. The fact that they don't highlights one of the many problems
with Linux.

Remember that some distros have a relatively small
team of people working on them. Or, the "scope" of the
project is way too big, and the fit and finish ends
up lacking.

While people may have issues with the direction Ubuntu
is taking, if I needed something to work, I might start
there (their Repository is in good shape). But I'm saying
that, without collecting the opinion of Steam users, and
Linux Steam users are likely to already have identified
a good distro for the purpose. The idea being, gaming is #1,
and all other considerations are secondary. Their
game might always work, but maybe some other thing
is less than perfect.

And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading
on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't
just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle.
Usually some pre-install reading is in order,
even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome.
For example, some RAID packages support "migration",
you can install the OS on a single disk, then
"migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID
rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen,
first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID
supports migration, and you learn that by reading.
I can think of at least two RAID implementations,
where extra effort was put into software RAID
migration for the array.

Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016,
still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old
technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it
entirely.

Here's an article identifying some distros for Steam.
SteamOS is in the list. It would be pretty hard for
a distro like that ot get distracted.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/sof...istros-1293840


*******

It took me a while to stumble on a good article,
but your kind of RAID is probably called "fakeRAID",
since the chipset RAID doesn't have actual hardware
support. There is no XOR in hardware for doing
parity on RAID5 for example.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/RAID

"Therefore, this type of RAID is sometimes called FakeRAID.
dmraid from the official repositories, will be used to
deal with these controllers. Here are some examples of
FakeRAID controllers: Intel Rapid Storage, JMicron JMB36x
RAID ROM, AMD RAID, ASMedia 106x, and NVIDIA MediaShield.
"

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto

"Ubiquity will fail when installing grub, and will not
automatically add dmraid to the new installation. This
needs to be done manually."

So you do have to read about it first.

Here's the problem: while one distribution might handle Steam better, it
doesn't already come with kernel 4.4 which is necessary for my wireless
and wired nics to be detected. 4.4 is more important than Steam and
considering how every Linux _should_ work the same, I have no interest
in choosing one because it works better with one thing all the while
sacrificing other functionality I might consider important. Let's not
beat around the bush; Linux didn't work out for me not because I didn't
research it but because it is a piece of junk which can only get one
thing right at a time rather than all simultaneously. It is a joke and
even if one thing DOES work at first, it might not after an update which
is inexcusable. The world is best off leaving it in the trash where it
belongs.


--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.

On 2016-02-17 8:10 PM, John Q. Public wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 4:13 PM, John Q. Public wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 1:10 AM, John Q. Public wrote:
Slimer wrote:
1. Run Linux LiveCD, enjoy what I'm using.
2. Attempt to install Linux. For whatever reason, it doesn't see my
RAID
and forces me to use my two SSDs as separate drives rather than just
one.
3. Install Linux anyway and am pleased to discover that all of the
hardware works. Don't mind that startup goes from taking 8 seconds to
about 60.
4. Run Steam, it asks to update.
5. Update the whole computer.
6. Steam suddenly doesn't load at all.
7. Try to restore the Macrium Reflect image of my previous Windows 10
install: it fails (apparently because the RAID I re-created is
different
even though the settings are identical. However, it claims that the
image is corrupted).
8. Try to restore my computer's image of Windows 8.1 OS install,
created
when I purchased the machine. It fails as well.
9. Out of desperate, try to restore an image of the whole computer
and
risk losing all of my data. Luckily, it works without deleting the
data
I was careful to put on a separate drive.
10. Partitions are suddenly out of whack even though the RAID was for
two M.2 SSD drives totaling 240GB. Everything works but EaseUS is
used
to correct the partitions and bring everything back to normal.

Windows 10? No wonder you had problems.

With Windows 8.1 and 10, my computer boots to the desktop in about 8
seconds and is completely ready for action after about 20. In Linux,
one
whole minute and the icons in KDE still hadn't appeared. Not only that
but if my display turned off in Linux (kernel 4.4 btw), it froze the
computer. That is definitely not what I would consider to be quality.

Try installing Linux with
Windows 10 nowhere near the machine.

Linux is like a Chrysler car; if it is anywhere near something better,
it breaks down and leaves you stranded on the highway.

And when you do, install Linux Mint
Mate and then get back to us with your stereotypes, biases and
ignorance.

The typical answer of a Linux loser: you chose the wrong one of our
hundreds of distributions. #371 is the right one.

BTW, Windows 10 is more of a store than an operating system. Be
prepared
to pay rent soon.

We'll see. If that happens, I'd still rather pay whatever Microsoft
asks.


Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically.

I'm not sure about that:

User tries Linux then user discovers that it's garbage so he returns to
Windows.

Nope, the logic is perfect.



I don't have a problem with either one of them. What am I doing wrong?

You're not _doing_ anything wrong but you _are_ delusional.


--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.

On 2016-02-17 8:46 PM, sctvguy1 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:13:30 +0100, John Q. Public wrote:


Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically.

You do know that Slimer is just another turd who infests the "linux
advocacy" groups.

I've actually moved out of there; Linux as a whole makes me sick and
I've grown tired of being surrounded by delusional idiots and liars who
try to convince me that it is anything but absolute trash.
--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.

On 2016-02-17 9:14 PM, Stef wrote:
Slimer wrote:

On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/

I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once
installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working
at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't
deserve to be run in general.
[snip]

And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading
on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't
just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle.
Usually some pre-install reading is in order,
even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome.
For example, some RAID packages support "migration",
you can install the OS on a single disk, then
"migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID
rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen,
first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID
supports migration, and you learn that by reading.
I can think of at least two RAID implementations,
where extra effort was put into software RAID
migration for the array.

Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016,
still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old
technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it
entirely.

I don't know about your system, but my motherboard has hardware
RAID built-in -- not that I use it, and the last two installs of Linux I
did (in virtual machines no less), during the partitioning phase, had
options for RAID. Maybe you missed it. Even installs not in VM
recognized that RAID was available and offered the option. Maybe, you
really don't have RAID or it's a software one.

The RAID was set up in the BIOS. It is clearly not a software one.
Perhaps other distributions had options for RAID, however Sabayon did not.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.

On 2016-02-17 9:47 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 02/17/2016 09:14 PM, Stef wrote:
Slimer wrote:

On 2016-02-17 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-16 11:34 PM, /less wrote:
Try the live cd, it's fun!
http://distrowatch.com/
http://www.reactos.org/

I installed Linux two days ago... it ignored my RAID and once
installed, froze after going to sleep and prevented Steam from working
at all after an update. To say the least, mediocre software doesn't
deserve to be run in general.
[snip]

And as for running a RAID, did you do any reading
on the topic first ? If I had a RAID, I wouldn't
just "whap in a copy of Linux" and expect a miracle.
Usually some pre-install reading is in order,
even with other OSes, to achieve the best outcome.
For example, some RAID packages support "migration",
you can install the OS on a single disk, then
"migrate" to a RAID 0/1/5 config, and the RAID
rebuilds while you work. But for that to happen,
first you'd have to realize the brand of RAID
supports migration, and you learn that by reading.
I can think of at least two RAID implementations,
where extra effort was put into software RAID
migration for the array.

Good points but I don't respect an operating system which, in 2016,
still doesn't recognize what the Hell a RAID is. It's a very old
technology so it's surprising that some distributions would ignore it
entirely.

I don't know about your system, but my motherboard has hardware
RAID built-in -- not that I use it, and the last two installs of Linux I
did (in virtual machines no less), during the partitioning phase, had
options for RAID. Maybe you missed it. Even installs not in VM
recognized that RAID was available and offered the option. Maybe, you
really don't have RAID or it's a software one.

Stef


He doesn't use Linux. He never tried to install Linux. So his
nonexistent Linux

Sabayon. I stated it before.

doesn't see his Raid setup.
That also presumes that he knows how to set raid up.

Yeah, because it takes one of your Linux losers to set one up. It's
never Linux's fault, it's always the user. Keep going with that excuse,
people have stopped believing it fifteen years ago but keep trying.

--
Slimer
OpenMedia & EFF Member / Conservative Party of Canada, IFAW, PETA &
Mozilla Supporter

After several serious attempts at using Linux, I can honestly say that
the word is synonymous with garbage.

Slimer wrote:
No, you won't. I have no interest in your desire to speak about poetry
when the topic is Windows 10 and its superiority over garbage like Linux.

Don't like Linux? Don't use it. I don't like Windows 10 so I don't use
it. Too complicated for you?

--
John Q. Public

Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 8:10 PM, John Q. Public wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 4:13 PM, John Q. Public wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2016-02-17 1:10 AM, John Q. Public wrote:
Slimer wrote:
1. Run Linux LiveCD, enjoy what I'm using.
2. Attempt to install Linux. For whatever reason, it doesn't see my
RAID
and forces me to use my two SSDs as separate drives rather than just
one.
3. Install Linux anyway and am pleased to discover that all of the
hardware works. Don't mind that startup goes from taking 8
seconds to
about 60.
4. Run Steam, it asks to update.
5. Update the whole computer.
6. Steam suddenly doesn't load at all.
7. Try to restore the Macrium Reflect image of my previous
Windows 10
install: it fails (apparently because the RAID I re-created is
different
even though the settings are identical. However, it claims that the
image is corrupted).
8. Try to restore my computer's image of Windows 8.1 OS install,
created
when I purchased the machine. It fails as well.
9. Out of desperate, try to restore an image of the whole computer
and
risk losing all of my data. Luckily, it works without deleting the
data
I was careful to put on a separate drive.
10. Partitions are suddenly out of whack even though the RAID was
for
two M.2 SSD drives totaling 240GB. Everything works but EaseUS is
used
to correct the partitions and bring everything back to normal.

Windows 10? No wonder you had problems.

With Windows 8.1 and 10, my computer boots to the desktop in about 8
seconds and is completely ready for action after about 20. In Linux,
one
whole minute and the icons in KDE still hadn't appeared. Not only that
but if my display turned off in Linux (kernel 4.4 btw), it froze the
computer. That is definitely not what I would consider to be quality.

Try installing Linux with
Windows 10 nowhere near the machine.

Linux is like a Chrysler car; if it is anywhere near something better,
it breaks down and leaves you stranded on the highway.

And when you do, install Linux Mint
Mate and then get back to us with your stereotypes, biases and
ignorance.

The typical answer of a Linux loser: you chose the wrong one of our
hundreds of distributions. #371 is the right one.

BTW, Windows 10 is more of a store than an operating system. Be
prepared
to pay rent soon.

We'll see. If that happens, I'd still rather pay whatever Microsoft
asks.


Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically.

I'm not sure about that:

User tries Linux then user discovers that it's garbage so he returns to
Windows.

Nope, the logic is perfect.



I don't have a problem with either one of them. What am I doing wrong?

You're not _doing_ anything wrong but you _are_ delusional.



Really? What's the delusion, hot shot? For me both Windows and Linux
work just fine and when Windows 7 is no longer supported, I will bid
Windows adieu.

--
John Q. Public

Slimer wrote:
Linux as a whole makes me sick

The why do you obsess on it so much?

--
John Q. Public

John Q. Public wrote:

sctvguy1 wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:13:30 +0100, John Q. Public wrote:


Another Windows loser that's lost his ability to think logically.

You do know that Slimer is just another turd who infests the "linux
advocacy" groups.


No, I didn't but I'm not surprised.


In fact, he is the worst liar apart from Snit Michael Glasser. To top it
off, he is a rabid racist. In general, he is a swine.