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  #16  
Old November 1st 17, 10:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On Wed, 01 Nov 2017 02:30:32 -0400 "Paul" wrote in
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C:\Windows\Panther\setupact.log 75,017,518 bytes --- Redmond time

The "error" is not right at the end of that file,
because the "unroll" of the install also gets logged.

There is also potentially a setuperr.log.

How to interpret, is documented here.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=ws.10).aspx


Thanks for the link! It makes sense of the numerous logs. I'm looking at
them now.
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  #17  
Old November 7th 17, 03:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 17:56:48 -0400 "Jason" wrote in
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I have tried this. No luck. So have the MS support people - they gathered
a ton of log files and will let me know what they find.


Another round with "support" and another failure. This time, they spotted
an error, 0x80007502, which they claim may require a complete re-
installation, a step I am -very- loath to take, given all I have on this
machine.

I did some searching on that error. One questionnable find suggested a
registry entry that I found (but haven't touched!) It's Group Policy
setting:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\WindowsUpdate\
DisableOSUpgrade REG_DWORD (1)

!

I am sufficiently ignorant of such things to dare change it, but it surely
aroused my suspicion. Searching for that particular entry online yielded a
number of articles, but none mentioned DisableOSUpgrade specifically, so I
left everything alone.



  #18  
Old November 7th 17, 05:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

Jason wrote:
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 17:56:48 -0400 "Jason" wrote in
article
I have tried this. No luck. So have the MS support people - they gathered
a ton of log files and will let me know what they find.


Another round with "support" and another failure. This time, they spotted
an error, 0x80007502, which they claim may require a complete re-
installation, a step I am -very- loath to take, given all I have on this
machine.

I did some searching on that error. One questionnable find suggested a
registry entry that I found (but haven't touched!) It's Group Policy
setting:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\WindowsUpdate\
DisableOSUpgrade REG_DWORD (1)

!

I am sufficiently ignorant of such things to dare change it, but it surely
aroused my suspicion. Searching for that particular entry online yielded a
number of articles, but none mentioned DisableOSUpgrade specifically, so I
left everything alone.


That setting was being used, to prevent Windows 7 from being "upgraded"
to Windows 10, during the "Free Upgrade Era". I don't see a reason why it
wouldn't stop other from-to combos as well. But if that was the case, it
shouldn't get part way along the upgrade, and then tip over. It should
instead refuse to start an install.

I've "forced" a number of my Win10 installations. And the reason
I have to do that, is I know there is no graphics driver update
available for the GPU.

To do that, you could:

1) Download a 1709 DVD. Make sure it matches the bitness of your
current OS. If the System control panel says you're running
an x64 OS, then you'd want to download x64 media. You can do the
download from your Win10 machine. If you store the file on a USB
stick, that's one less thing clogging up C: . When you start an
install, the contents are going to be copied to the internal
drive anyway, so you cannot avoid all space consumption by
doing it that way,

2) You don't absolutely need to burn a DVD, but the DVD comes in
handy for emergencies. Some machines don't have an optical drive,
and that's when mounting the ISO comes in handy. Modern Windows
can mount both ISO and VHD/VHDX files as virtual storage devices.
I think there's even a scheme where you can boot off a VHD (as long
as it's properly entered in the BCD file).

3) Mount the downloaded ISO file, as a virtual DVD. Then, you should see
a new optical drive, in File Explorer. Run Setup.exe off the File
Explorer window which displays the virtual DVD contents.

As long as you record the full key path for the DisableOSUpgrade, you
can always put it back later. That setting should be reasonably
independent of other stuff. There are actually, a number of keys
that can block the installation, including the operation of
"reverting" the OS. That's been known to block a re-install of
the same version. But if you're using media for a newer version,
then that should work. The "reverting rule" is so a user will
not be placed into an upgrade loop, where the user reverts over
and over again, and the OS won't stop upgrading :-) But if a
later version comes in, then it's fair game for Windows Update
to try to install the newer version.

Paul
  #19  
Old November 8th 17, 06:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(



"Jason" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 17:56:48 -0400 "Jason" wrote in
article

I have tried this. No luck. So have the MS support people - they gathered
a ton of log files and will let me know what they find.


Another round with "support" and another failure. This time, they spotted
an error, 0x80007502, which they claim may require a complete re-
installation, a step I am -very- loath to take, given all I have on this
machine.

I did some searching on that error. One questionnable find suggested a
registry entry that I found (but haven't touched!) It's Group Policy
setting:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\WindowsUpdate\
DisableOSUpgrade REG_DWORD (1)

!

I am sufficiently ignorant of such things to dare change it, but it surely
aroused my suspicion. Searching for that particular entry online yielded a
number of articles, but none mentioned DisableOSUpgrade specifically, so I
left everything alone.

Jason,

In Paul's post he noted that not having a driver for a GPU....etc.... Read
that part carefully.

Did you even try upgrading using just a *generic* video driver and not the
NVidia?

And hopefully, you have checked in the Advanced section of the Windows
Updates screen and made sure that disable feature updates was not checked.
I'm not on a Win10 system at the moment so I'm not sure of the exact wording
but you'll get the idea once you see it.

Bob S.

  #20  
Old November 10th 17, 04:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 00:35:38 -0500 "Bob_S" wrote in
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In Paul's post he noted that not having a driver for a GPU....etc.... Read
that part carefully.

Did you even try upgrading using just a *generic* video driver and not the
NVidia?


Yes. I did try that. Same result.

And hopefully, you have checked in the Advanced section of the Windows
Updates screen and made sure that disable feature updates was not checked.


Yup. "Defer feature updates" is what I think you refer to.




  #21  
Old November 13th 17, 06:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

Well, after six sessions with MS Support steering the ship remotely,
they've given up. The issue was escalated to "Tier 1 - the engineers".
They suggested several things: running the update on a system as clean
as could be - no unnecessary services, startup items, etc; uninstalling
a handful of old apps; updating drivers, and using the generic video
driver instead of the Nvidia one. (There is a TON of traffic on Nvidia's
site about upgrade issues seemingly caused by their software. It's
almost enough to convince me to swap out the card for an AMD one, but I
don't have one and that's too big a hassle...)

Their final suggestion, 'tho they'll leave the issue open for a while,
is installation from scratch. That would be a gigantic headache, but I
may do it sometime.

As I've told Support all along, I've little interest in new features. I
just want security updates. From what I read of the timeline for
Windows-as-a-Service, it looks like my version falls off the edge early
next year - no more updates.
  #22  
Old November 13th 17, 06:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On 11/13/2017 11:08 AM, Jason wrote:
Well, after six sessions with MS Support steering the ship remotely,
they've given up. The issue was escalated to "Tier 1 - the engineers".
They suggested several things: running the update on a system as clean
as could be - no unnecessary services, startup items, etc; uninstalling
a handful of old apps; updating drivers, and using the generic video
driver instead of the Nvidia one. (There is a TON of traffic on Nvidia's
site about upgrade issues seemingly caused by their software. It's
almost enough to convince me to swap out the card for an AMD one, but I
don't have one and that's too big a hassle...)

Their final suggestion, 'tho they'll leave the issue open for a while,
is installation from scratch. That would be a gigantic headache, but I
may do it sometime.

As I've told Support all along, I've little interest in new features. I
just want security updates. From what I read of the timeline for
Windows-as-a-Service, it looks like my version falls off the edge early
next year - no more updates.



You've spent enough time ****ing around with this problem to have done a
clean install and reinstall of all your apps and have a perfectly clean
system.
Doesn't your head hurt from banging it against a wall?

Rene

  #23  
Old November 14th 17, 01:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On 13/11/2017 17:08, Jason wrote:

Their final suggestion, 'tho they'll leave the issue open for a while,
is installation from scratch. That would be a gigantic headache, but I
may do it sometime.


How about inserting a completely new HD and start again. Your old HD
can remain as it is in an enclosure so that in the future you can try
something else with it. In terms of time and money this is the best way
forward considering you have un-replaceable data on the HD that you
can't backup despite having tons of portable HDs in your repository.

Keep your old HD in a safe place until you get fed up looking after it.
In my case this is normally after 3 days!!.




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  #24  
Old November 14th 17, 01:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 11:24:03 -0600 "Rene Lamontagne"
wrote in article
You've spent enough time ****ing around with this problem to have done a
clean install and reinstall of all your apps and have a perfectly clean
system.


Far from true. Thanks for the helpful remark.
  #25  
Old November 14th 17, 02:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 00:06:24 +0000 "Good Guy"
wrote in article

On 13/11/2017 17:08, Jason wrote:

Their final suggestion, 'tho they'll leave the issue open for a while,
is installation from scratch. That would be a gigantic headache, but I
may do it sometime.


How about inserting a completely new HD and start again. Your old HD
can remain as it is in an enclosure so that in the future you can try
something else with it. In terms of time and money this is the best way
forward considering you have un-replaceable data on the HD that you
can't backup despite having tons of portable HDs in your repository.

Keep your old HD in a safe place until you get fed up looking after it.
In my case this is normally after 3 days!!.


I do not have irreplacable data - it's well backed up (externally), so
that's not an issue, and I can restore the system from it, so trying a
clean install is an option. I'm concerned that I'll run into the same
problem again with some incompatibility that MS couldn't nail down that
has nothing to do with the software I have installed now. The update could
be failing for reasons having to do with hardware. I guess what annoys me
most is why the wizards can't give a specific reason for the failure. In
years past there were so-called "readiness tools" that would examine your
system to see if a new Windows version could be installed. No more?
  #26  
Old November 14th 17, 03:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ben Myers[_11_]
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On 11/13/2017 8:41 PM, Jason wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 00:06:24 +0000 "Good Guy"
wrote in article

On 13/11/2017 17:08, Jason wrote:

Their final suggestion, 'tho they'll leave the issue open for a while,
is installation from scratch. That would be a gigantic headache, but I
may do it sometime.


How about inserting a completely new HD and start again. Your old HD
can remain as it is in an enclosure so that in the future you can try
something else with it. In terms of time and money this is the best way
forward considering you have un-replaceable data on the HD that you
can't backup despite having tons of portable HDs in your repository.

Keep your old HD in a safe place until you get fed up looking after it.
In my case this is normally after 3 days!!.


I do not have irreplacable data - it's well backed up (externally), so
that's not an issue, and I can restore the system from it, so trying a
clean install is an option. I'm concerned that I'll run into the same
problem again with some incompatibility that MS couldn't nail down that
has nothing to do with the software I have installed now. The update could
be failing for reasons having to do with hardware. I guess what annoys me
most is why the wizards can't give a specific reason for the failure. In
years past there were so-called "readiness tools" that would examine your
system to see if a new Windows version could be installed. No more?


Wondering if you have tried the "Update Assistant".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

Ben

  #27  
Old November 14th 17, 03:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On 11/13/2017 7:41 PM, Jason wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 00:06:24 +0000 "Good Guy"
wrote in article

On 13/11/2017 17:08, Jason wrote:

Their final suggestion, 'tho they'll leave the issue open for a while,
is installation from scratch. That would be a gigantic headache, but I
may do it sometime.


How about inserting a completely new HD and start again. Your old HD
can remain as it is in an enclosure so that in the future you can try
something else with it. In terms of time and money this is the best way
forward considering you have un-replaceable data on the HD that you
can't backup despite having tons of portable HDs in your repository.

Keep your old HD in a safe place until you get fed up looking after it.
In my case this is normally after 3 days!!.


I do not have irreplacable data - it's well backed up (externally), so
that's not an issue, and I can restore the system from it, so trying a
clean install is an option. I'm concerned that I'll run into the same
problem again with some incompatibility that MS couldn't nail down that
has nothing to do with the software I have installed now. The update could
be failing for reasons having to do with hardware. I guess what annoys me
most is why the wizards can't give a specific reason for the failure. In
years past there were so-called "readiness tools" that would examine your
system to see if a new Windows version could be installed. No more?


Very frustrating problem Indeed,, I had one of my friends machines over
to look for much the same reason a couple weeks ago and spent a fair
amount of time trying to get it updated to 1703, Having no luck with it
I finally decided to bite the bullet and do a good backup on Macrium
Reflect and save all his email and photo stuff to USB drives.
I made sure he had his relevant program disks and made a list of all
installed software. and drivers.
Then wiped the disk knowing I could go back to where we were if things
didn't work.
Well in about 4 hours I had the system up and running and reinstalled
his 4 or 5 major programs, The little programs and utilities he could
install at his leisure.
So what seemed a gargantuan job wasn't half as bad as anticipated
and he now has a faster cleaner system without all that Win 7 and 8
cruft dragging along.
HTH

Rene




  #28  
Old November 14th 17, 05:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:25:09 -0500 "Ben Myers"
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Wondering if you have tried the "Update Assistant".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

Ben




I have. So did the support people. Didn't work

  #29  
Old November 14th 17, 07:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Creators Update: 0 for 2 :(

Jason wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:25:09 -0500 "Ben Myers"
wrote in article

Wondering if you have tried the "Update Assistant".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

Ben




I have. So did the support people. Didn't work


That method should try to stage drivers, before
the install begins.

Whereas if you run setup.exe off the downloaded DVD,
it should try to install anyway. It will use the
Microsoft Basic Display Adapter, until while it's sitting
in the desktop, it "calls home" and finds a better
driver. There are then, fewer dependencies on finishing
the install, and potentially a more ugly Device Manager
(which can be dealt with, one way or another). Using
the DVD and running setup.exe off it, covers situations
where the automated upgraders are "blocked by drivers".

I'm sure the tier 1 tried all the easy stuff, such
as DISM and SFC, to try to clean up the baseline
before the install happens.

If you did any customization, like move your home
directory to D:, move Program Files to E: , that
sort of stuff, the Windows Installer is guaranteed to fail.
But I don't know if the log shows an appropriate snotty
message from MS about it. One other poster, a couple of
years ago, was noticing this problem, and I've seen
discussion threads on the web about it. But never
an apology from MS (they leave the customization
trap for you to fall into it).

What your experience tells me, is the MS log files
really do suck, and the Tier 1 support isn't having
an easy time as a result. But you as the owner,
probably have a good idea what you've done to it.

I can relate a funny story about Win10 install. I
originally had a data partition, one where I'd formatted
NTFS with 32K clusters, instead of 4K clusters. I
didn't even think about it at the time, and did a
Win10 install (apparently without the partition being
reformatted) right into that partition.

Well, everything was fine on the Insider program for
maybe 10-15 OS Upgrades. Then one day, wham... dead.
The next OS simply would not install. It took me the longest
while, to run fsutil, and notice that the damn cluster
size was wrong. Your dude at MS, would never think
of looking for something like that. The owner of the
computer must have an excellent memory, to remember
the "pedigree" of the partition used, and remember
"Doh, wrong cluster size" at a later date :-)

Paul
  #30  
Old November 14th 17, 12:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mechanic
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On Tue, 14 Nov 2017 01:11:13 -0500, Paul wrote:

I can relate a funny story about Win10 install. I originally had a
data partition, one where I'd formatted NTFS with 32K clusters,
instead of 4K clusters. I didn't even think about it at the time,
and did a Win10 install (apparently without the partition being
reformatted) right into that partition....


Why would the installer worry about the cluster size? Files don't
care, do they?
 




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