no web but the email and usenet

It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work. It used to be only for a minute or two but tonight it's
10 minutes. In the past there was not enough time for me to want to or
make a reliable check on usenet or email, but tonight there is.

I was using FFox, but Opera and IE did no better.

I gather it's possible for there to be no web but the email and usenet
works.

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:13:47 -0500, micky
wrote:

It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work.

I guess I know what you mean when "newsgroups work and email works" but
I don't know what you mean when "web access doesn't work". Could you
please add some details?

When you launch any of your browsers, do they immediately exit? Do they
appear to lock up? When you enter a URL, do the browsers resolve the
domain to an IP address? Do they make the request, but time out while
waiting for a response? Are the sites HTTPS, and if so, are the browsers
able to negotiate a secure connection? Do you have any 'web security'
software running? Some are notorious for doing what you're describing.

That only scratches the surface. The problem could be any of those
things or more.

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?

No, what you described isn't related to your ISP or how you're
physically connected to the Internet.

micky wrote:

It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work. It used to be only for a minute or two but tonight it's
10 minutes. In the past there was not enough time for me to want to or
make a reliable check on usenet or email, but tonight there is.

I was using FFox, but Opera and IE did no better.

I gather it's possible for there to be no web but the email and usenet
works.

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?

Some possibilities (based on vague "no web"):
- Firewall (HTTP/S web filtering)
- Anti-virus (with HTTP/S web filtering)
- Using an unwanted web proxy (Internet Options - Connections - LAN)

On 09/02/2018 02:13, micky wrote:
It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work.

It means that your machine is not clean enough to browse the web. How
about cleaning your machine with this:


https://i.imgur.com/YEQ7ZkA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YEQ7ZkA.jpg

This is a better suggestion for people low intelligence like yourself.
It gets you started.




--
With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 8 Feb 2018 21:13:40 -0600, VanguardLH
wrote:

micky wrote:

It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work. It used to be only for a minute or two but tonight it's
10 minutes. In the past there was not enough time for me to want to or
make a reliable check on usenet or email, but tonight there is.

I was using FFox, but Opera and IE did no better.

I gather it's possible for there to be no web but the email and usenet
works.

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?

Thank you both for helpful answers. I went over every line, and looked
into the computer for every line where that was possible.

I didn't know it was in practice possible for all the browswers and
radiomaximus to be disabled at the same time,


Some possibilities (based on vague "no web"):
- Firewall (HTTP/S web filtering)

I didn't make any changes. It was working until 30 minutes before I
posted, and here it is 90 minutes later still and still not working (see
details about everything in answer to Char).

- Anti-virus (with HTTP/S web filtering)

I didn't make an;y changes. New definitions might have been downloaded
but no AVG messages are displayed and not a single webpage will load in
any of 4 web broswers (Firefox, IE, Edge, and Opera)


that I listen to with a different program (RadioMaximus)

- Using an unwanted web proxy (Internet Options - Connections - LAN)

I didn't make any changes.

But thanks.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 08 Feb 2018 20:41:26 -0600, Char
Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:13:47 -0500, micky
wrote:

It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work.

I guess I know what you mean when "newsgroups work and email works" but
I don't know what you mean when "web access doesn't work". Could you
please add some details?

Thank you and Vanguard for such good answers. As you can see, I went
over every line. Finally I called Verizon to see if they had a
recording that said there was a web problem. Instead I got a person
immediately after answering two questions.

I've made fun of their scripts in the past, but I should have a better
one. She asked about another computer, which I should have tried before
I called or posted. The laptop worked.

She asked about restarting Windows, which I should have done before I
called or posted. You'd think after 23 years I'd remember to restart
the computer.

That fixed it. I'm not surprised that what was probably one thing can
take down all the browsers, but I"m surprised it actually happens.

I'm sorry for bothering you for no good reason, but I did learn some
things in this thread.

When you launch any of your browsers, do they immediately exit?

No. They seem to work fine.

Do they appear to lock up?

No.

When you enter a URL, do the browsers resolve the
domain to an IP address?

No. Firefox gives a message like "The connection has timed out...."

Do they make the request, but time out while waiting for a response?

Yes, in Firefox the little dot in the tab moves from oscillates from
left to right to left to right for a couple minutes before it gives up.
The other browswers do similar things.

Are the sites HTTPS,

Maybe a couple but many are google.com, at least one each was
monoprice.com tomshardware.com, wikipedia.com, etc. None of these are
https.

and if so, are the browsers able to negotiate a secure connection?

Yesterday I connected to my bank with no trouble. I don't remember any
https that are pending now.

Do you have any 'web security' software running?

When I updated my definitions in Malwarebytes, about 3 months ago, it
offered me a 30-day free trial. It actually installed it, and I could
either revert back or wait 30-days when it would do that automatically.
I didnt' like it enough to subscribe and I think it reverted to "not
running except when I start a scan". Despite that, the Malwarebytes
Service has been running all this time, these past 2 months. I ended it
just now, and it doesn't seem to have made a difference.

AVG is running, 4 different processes, but it was causing several people
problems that the systray icon totally disappeared. Instructions on the
AVG page were to reinstall or repair using what was called before win10,
Control Panel / Programs and Something, but that didn't make the icon
appear.

So to get to the interface, I'd have to click on the desktop icon. I did
that no more than 2 weeks ago, but tonight the desktop icon is missing!
And there's an empty space in the first column of the desktop.
Otherwise everything is there.

So I opened it with winkey, search for avg. Then it takes two or three
steps to get to AVG for this computer itself, and it says to update, a
newer version is available, and both of the options I might use, "PC"
and "Web and Email" are "not available. My last definition download was
12 hours ago. I think I'm going to have to update like they tell me too,
but not yet.

There

Some are notorious for doing what you're describing.

AVG was bought by Avast iiuc and I think I've read that it's not as good
anymore.

That only scratches the surface. The problem could be any of those
things or more.

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?

No, what you described isn't related to your ISP or how you're
physically connected to the Internet.

I guess not. I keep looking for compelling reasons to change to FIOS.

The woman I talked to, who made no bones about being in Bangalore (sp?),
said that the billing office of Verizon was now open 24 hours a day, and
she thought -- I don't know if she knew this had happened for this
reason -- that they'd give me a discount now that Verizon mail is AOL
mail and neither is reliable. They put much mail in their trash
including some that isn't trash, and the user never gets to see it at
all.

I read a mailing list and I would see emails quoted that I never got.
And 3 other people with verizon email on the same list reported the same
thing, though I think not exactly the same missing emails. Who knows
what other email I wasn't getting.

But I've signed up with Fastmail and 30/year (that extra 30 was t he
basis for thinking I deserve a discount from Verizon) and I'm going to
switch everything off Verizon.

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:13:47 -0500, micky
wrote:

It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work. It used to be only for a minute or two but tonight it's
10 minutes. In the past there was not enough time for me to want to or
make a reliable check on usenet or email, but tonight there is.

I was using FFox, but Opera and IE did no better.

I gather it's possible for there to be no web but the email and usenet
works.

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?

Computer problem or operator error.

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 04:47:41 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 09/02/2018 02:13, micky wrote:
It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work.

It means that your machine is not clean enough to browse the web. How
about cleaning your machine with this:


https://i.imgur.com/YEQ7ZkA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YEQ7ZkA.jpg

That worked for me.

micky wrote:

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 8 Feb 2018 21:13:40 -0600, VanguardLH
wrote:

micky wrote:

It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work. It used to be only for a minute or two but tonight it's
10 minutes. In the past there was not enough time for me to want to or
make a reliable check on usenet or email, but tonight there is.

I was using FFox, but Opera and IE did no better.

I gather it's possible for there to be no web but the email and usenet
works.

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?

Thank you both for helpful answers. I went over every line, and looked
into the computer for every line where that was possible.

I didn't know it was in practice possible for all the browswers and
radiomaximus to be disabled at the same time,

Some possibilities (based on vague "no web"):
- Firewall (HTTP/S web filtering)

I didn't make any changes. It was working until 30 minutes before I
posted, and here it is 90 minutes later still and still not working (see
details about everything in answer to Char).

- Anti-virus (with HTTP/S web filtering)

I didn't make an;y changes. New definitions might have been downloaded
but no AVG messages are displayed and not a single webpage will load in
any of 4 web broswers (Firefox, IE, Edge, and Opera)

that I listen to with a different program (RadioMaximus)

- Using an unwanted web proxy (Internet Options - Connections - LAN)

I didn't make any changes.

But thanks.

That you didn't make any changes does not mean there were no changes.
Software can add/modify/delete firewall rules. They're just registry
entries. A local proxy for an AV's web interrogation can become
unresponsive. Sometimes a reboot gets it working again (because a new
instance of the proxy gets loaded). Disabling the web interrogation by
the AV should have it bypass its local transparent proxy; however, I've
seen some AVs (e.g., Symantec) that continue to try passing web traffic
through their local proxy but disabling the option merely has it no
interrogation the content of that traffic yet if the proxy is dead then
so, too, is the web traffic. Any software, including malware, can
change the LAN proxy settings. I've hit it with several "good" programs
enough times that I created a batch file to clear those proxy settings.
If you are allowing any automatic updates then you are letting them
change the state of your computer at-their-will which means you'll end
up reporting "suddenly somethingHappened".

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 04:47:41 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 09/02/2018 02:13, micky wrote:
It seems to be getting worse...

What does it mean when newsgroups work and email works and web access
doesn't work.

It means that your machine is not clean enough to browse the web. How
about cleaning your machine with this:


https://i.imgur.com/YEQ7ZkA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YEQ7ZkA.jpg

This is a better suggestion for people low intelligence like yourself.
It gets you started.


You could use this on your mouth!

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:13:47 -0500, micky
wrote:

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?



I don't know that it would help your problem, but once you get the
problem fixed, it would make an enormous improvement in speed. I wish
FiOS was available where I live.

On Fri, 09 Feb 2018 08:21:13 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:13:47 -0500, micky
wrote:

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?



I don't know that it would help your problem, but once you get the
problem fixed, it would make an enormous improvement in speed. I wish
FiOS was available where I live.

Where I live, I have the following options:
Spectrum - 50, 200, or 300 megabits/second (Mbps)
at&t Uverse - the top two speed tiers are 18 and 24 Mbps

(I don't consider dial-up or satellite to be viable options, nor do I
want to use my cellular service as my primary ISP.)

For the past year, Google has been making a lot of noise about coming in
here and building a symmetrical 1000/1000Mbps service, so in response to
that at&t has been sending flyers saying that they're working on a
similar service offering, but no details yet. Meanwhile, Spectrum just
announced in the past month or so a new speed tier of 900Mbps. On the
local news, they say that Google crews have been spotted in certain
parts of the city, so it looks like that's going to happen, too.

Competition is wonderful.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2018 08:21:13 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:13:47 -0500, micky
wrote:

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?


I don't know that it would help your problem, but once you get the
problem fixed, it would make an enormous improvement in speed. I wish
FiOS was available where I live.

Where I live, I have the following options:
Spectrum - 50, 200, or 300 megabits/second (Mbps)
at&t Uverse - the top two speed tiers are 18 and 24 Mbps

(I don't consider dial-up or satellite to be viable options, nor do I
want to use my cellular service as my primary ISP.)

For the past year, Google has been making a lot of noise about coming in
here and building a symmetrical 1000/1000Mbps service, so in response to
that at&t has been sending flyers saying that they're working on a
similar service offering, but no details yet. Meanwhile, Spectrum just
announced in the past month or so a new speed tier of 900Mbps. On the
local news, they say that Google crews have been spotted in certain
parts of the city, so it looks like that's going to happen, too.

Competition is wonderful.

Is Google still "enthusiastic" about their network business ?

I thought they'd kinda put things in stasis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fiber

"In October 2016, all expansion plans were put on hold and
some jobs were cut.[10] Google Fiber will continue to provide
service in the cities where it is already installed."

The telco here has promised 1GbE level service, but I think
the deployment is purely in the mind of their executives.
Maybe just their executive team got GbE level service
to their homes.

Reminds me of the dude running his own ISP, who ran 10GbE
to his moms house. I bet she didn't even know what all the
gear in the garage was for, and what the fuss was.

Paul

On Fri, 09 Feb 2018 15:07:55 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

For the past year, Google has been making a lot of noise about coming in
here and building a symmetrical 1000/1000Mbps service, so in response to
that at&t has been sending flyers saying that they're working on a
similar service offering, but no details yet. Meanwhile, Spectrum just
announced in the past month or so a new speed tier of 900Mbps. On the
local news, they say that Google crews have been spotted in certain
parts of the city, so it looks like that's going to happen, too.

Competition is wonderful.

Is Google still "enthusiastic" about their network business ?

I thought they'd kinda put things in stasis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fiber

"In October 2016, all expansion plans were put on hold and
some jobs were cut.[10] Google Fiber will continue to provide
service in the cities where it is already installed."

Yeah, I heard the same about Google, but people who signed up for the
free t-shirt have received them, (I was too lazy, my t-shirt request
never got submitted), and now their trucks are being spotted around the
city.

The telco here has promised 1GbE level service, but I think
the deployment is purely in the mind of their executives.
Maybe just their executive team got GbE level service
to their homes.

Reminds me of the dude running his own ISP, who ran 10GbE
to his moms house. I bet she didn't even know what all the
gear in the garage was for, and what the fuss was.

10Gbe sounds wonderful in theory, but most consumer gear isn't designed
to take advantage of it. Heck, I can't count on getting 1Gbe here on my
LAN. I see transfer speeds of about 984 Mbps down to about 130 Mbps,
depending on whichever link in the chain wants to be slowest that day.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 09 Feb 2018 08:21:13 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Feb 2018 21:13:47 -0500, micky
wrote:

This is DSL. If I switched to FIOS (fiber optic cable) would that
ensure that this woudln't happen. Would it at least change the odds?



I don't know that it would help your problem, but once you get the
problem fixed, it would make an enormous improvement in speed. I wish

Normally I'm satisfied with my speed. I can watch a video, so it's good
enough. But there are frequent interruptions. Some might be because of
100% harddrive use, but others I think are the signal. Of course I
thought that this time and I guess I was wrong, bu tthere have been
times when nothing works, email, usenet, web. I'm hoping fios won't have
that problem.

FiOS was available where I live.