Disk images

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........



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2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 02/09/2018 02:44 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have never create a back up image of my computers.Â*Â* However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS:Â*Â* Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........




Here is one way to do it:

http://clonezilla.org/

Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

Macrium Reflect Free will store to a file share too.

Don't forget to make your emergency boot CD once Macrium
Reflect Free is installed.

You can actually do the backup operation from the emergency boot
CD, and this helps prove out that the network drivers on the
Emergency CD are working properly.

You want version 6.3 of Macrium rather than version 7.
When I tested Version 7 I could find a service wasting
CPU cycles. I think the service was installed, to listen
to the Journal and keep track of files for incrementals
or something. But that's not all that essential to the
Free version. It was just easier to go back to the
previous version.

The last time I did it, the details were similar to this.

http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v6/ReflectDLv6.exe

gives downloader 6.0.553.0, select a 32 bit or 64 bit version,
plus WinPE5 or WinPE10 to make emergency boot CDs.

v6.3.1849_reflect_setup_free_x86.exe 44,303,520 bytes

SHA1: A11293417C4A48972D104B94B5C2B530C375774A

v6.3.1849_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe 46,645,904 bytes

SHA1: 2AFF03BD9AFD677F65647F890026F4D239C70005

A "kit" consists of two parts. The installer (...x86.exe or
....x64.exe) plus one of WinPE5 or WinPE10. These are
WinPE archives similar to what is used by the
Windows 7 Backup emergency CD. One corresponds to around
Windows 8 capabilities (includes USB3 drivers), and the
other to Windows 10. The WinPE download is fairly large
(500MB+), then the ReflectDLv6.exe will carve up the
download and store the parts it needs in a ZIP file.
Then, you can run the ...x86.exe or ...x64.exe to
install it in Windows. Preparation of the emergency CD
inside the tool can then be run from the toll itself
(from Program Files etc).

You can probably make any backup tool work over a file
share, if the network driver is present, if it actually
has the capability. Sometimes, it's finding the right icon
in the blasted interface, to get a file sharing setup going.
But you can do it. Many times I've sat there looking at
the screen going "OK, what do I do next". Some of these
products actually have manuals... so it's off to read
the manual.

Random example.

http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...user_guide.pdf

HTH,
Paul

"Keith Nuttle" wrote

| QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
| the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
| on the hard drive of Computers A:
|
| I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........
|

Any imaging program should work fine. They make
something like an ISO -- an optionally compressed
copy of data on disk.
The free Macrium is very popular. I've been using
BootIt for many years. I like to make images of a
fresh system after the software is installed and
things are configured. It basically means that I
can boot to a BootIt CD and recopy a fresh C
drive from DVD, USB or hard disk at any time. It
sounds like that's what you want. But there may be
variations in programs as far as whether the image
software can resize the image. In other words, it
sounds like your complaint is that your disk image
ends up being the size of the full disk. I don't think
it has to be that way. But frankly I'm not sure
whether I've needed to care. I always resize C drive
to something sensible before imaging and then
make data partitions with the rest of the disk.
7-10 GB for XP. 60ish GB for 7. Win10? I don't know.

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

Of the backup programs I've tried, I like Aomei backupper the best. It's
free and even comes with the ability to schedule backups. You can backup
whole disks or the system partition. I routinely backup my C drive to my D
drive in D:\backups

https://www.backup-utility.com/ If you try it, be sure to burn the
recovery disk in case something happens to your C drive.

On 10-2-2018 3:30, EGK wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

Of the backup programs I've tried, I like Aomei backupper the best. It's
free and even comes with the ability to schedule backups. You can backup
whole disks or the system partition. I routinely backup my C drive to my D
drive in D:\backups

https://www.backup-utility.com/ If you try it, be sure to burn the
recovery disk in case something happens to your C drive.

Tested Aomei, and uninstalled it. Cloning is done from within windows,
instead of from a cd.
I dont like that.

On 2/9/2018 9:30 PM, EGK wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

Of the backup programs I've tried, I like Aomei backupper the best. It's
free and even comes with the ability to schedule backups. You can backup
whole disks or the system partition. I routinely backup my C drive to my D
drive in D:\backups

https://www.backup-utility.com/ If you try it, be sure to burn the
recovery disk in case something happens to your C drive.

can it back up to drive M: a lan drive on a different computer?

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 22:05:23 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 2/9/2018 9:30 PM, EGK wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

Of the backup programs I've tried, I like Aomei backupper the best. It's
free and even comes with the ability to schedule backups. You can backup
whole disks or the system partition. I routinely backup my C drive to my D
drive in D:\backups

https://www.backup-utility.com/ If you try it, be sure to burn the
recovery disk in case something happens to your C drive.

can it back up to drive M: a lan drive on a different computer?

I've never tried but it says you can:
https://www.backup-utility.com/artic...ork-drive.html

On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 04:04:17 +0100, Sjouke Burry
wrote:

On 10-2-2018 3:30, EGK wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

Of the backup programs I've tried, I like Aomei backupper the best. It's
free and even comes with the ability to schedule backups. You can backup
whole disks or the system partition. I routinely backup my C drive to my D
drive in D:\backups

https://www.backup-utility.com/ If you try it, be sure to burn the
recovery disk in case something happens to your C drive.

Tested Aomei, and uninstalled it. Cloning is done from within windows,
instead of from a cd.
I dont like that.

Doesn't the boot disk you create let you backup from it? I haven't tried
it.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 04:04:17 +0100, Sjouke Burry
wrote:

On 10-2-2018 3:30, EGK wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

Of the backup programs I've tried, I like Aomei backupper the best. It's
free and even comes with the ability to schedule backups. You can backup
whole disks or the system partition. I routinely backup my C drive to my D
drive in D:\backups

https://www.backup-utility.com/ If you try it, be sure to burn the
recovery disk in case something happens to your C drive.

Tested Aomei, and uninstalled it. Cloning is done from within windows,
instead of from a cd.
I dont like that.

When I boot my AOMEI Backupper Rescue CD, I get three clone options:

Disk Clone - Clone a hard disk drive to another.

System Clone - Clone or migrate your system to SSD or other disk.

Partition Clone - Clone a partition or volume from one to another.

My Windows 10 System does not play any part in cloning - apart from
being an input target.

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

Yes.

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.


Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

That should not happen.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.

Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

If you backup an image of each drive to the other, you soon end up
with massive sizes for each backup, as they add to each other (no
point in backing up a backup file). I found this out the hard way
when I tried the same scheme years ago.

On 10/02/2018 12:22:07, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B:
on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.

Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

If you backup an image of each drive to the other, you soon end up
with massive sizes for each backup, as they add to each other (no
point in backing up a backup file). I found this out the hard way
when I tried the same scheme years ago.

Create a new partition on each computer e.g. Z:/Backups. Then do backup
images 'excluding the Z:/ partition' on each computer. ;-)

--
mick

mick wrote:
On 10/02/2018 12:22:07, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both
have at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on
the hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer
B: on the hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.

Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is
created, destroying the operating system, files and programs on that
disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

If you backup an image of each drive to the other, you soon end up
with massive sizes for each backup, as they add to each other (no
point in backing up a backup file). I found this out the hard way
when I tried the same scheme years ago.

Create a new partition on each computer e.g. Z:/Backups. Then do backup
images 'excluding the Z:/ partition' on each computer. ;-)


While it's fun to do stuff like this, the backups really
belong on an external. An external you *unplug* when not in usage.

The only case that doesn't cover is fire protection.
And I'm comfortable with that. I don't need to bury the
backup drive in a hole in the back yard, to feel safe.

Just unplugging the external, and having an "air-gap", if my
computer room goes to hell due to malware, I can glance
over at that drive and know what materials I have to work with
for later. If my external was plugged in and powered when
some Ransomware hit, someone would only need to write a byte
or two, to a terabyte sized image, to ruin it. It doesn't take much
to make a backup useless. You don't have to encrypt the entire
file. The restore software does checksum checks on chunks it is
restoring, and it'll stop if one is corrupted. The user manual
doesn't normally address how to "walk around" a bad chunk.

I've had a couple backups ruined here by bad RAM on this
computer, and that's why I know what the behavior is on
a restore. I got half way through a restore of a 1TB image,
and it just stopped and gave me some bad news. And I correlated
the failures I could detect, with when the RAM on this
computer got replaced last year, because the RAM failed in service.
The backup software usually has a "Verify" option, and you can
run that on a set of backup images, to get some idea what
epoch of backups is ruined. Not all backup corruptions are
detect-able, but luckily this one was.

Paul

On 10/02/2018 14:03:02, Paul wrote:
mick wrote:
On 10/02/2018 12:22:07, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 9 Feb 2018 17:44:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote:

I have never create a back up image of my computers. However both have
at least 1TB of space of which I am using less that 160 GB.

QUESTIONS: Is there any way to store a disk image of Computer A: on the
hard drive of Computer B: and visa versa. the image of Computer B: on the
hard drive of Computers A:

The two computer are on the same LAN and share files.

Every thing I see seems to take over the disk when the images is created,
destroying the operating system, files and programs on that disk.

I understand Acronis, does what I thing I want to do, but..........

If you backup an image of each drive to the other, you soon end up
with massive sizes for each backup, as they add to each other (no
point in backing up a backup file). I found this out the hard way
when I tried the same scheme years ago.

Create a new partition on each computer e.g. Z:/Backups. Then do backup
images 'excluding the Z:/ partition' on each computer. ;-)


While it's fun to do stuff like this, the backups really
belong on an external. An external you *unplug* when not in usage.

The only case that doesn't cover is fire protection.
And I'm comfortable with that. I don't need to bury the
backup drive in a hole in the back yard, to feel safe.

Just unplugging the external, and having an "air-gap", if my
computer room goes to hell due to malware, I can glance
over at that drive and know what materials I have to work with
for later. If my external was plugged in and powered when
some Ransomware hit, someone would only need to write a byte
or two, to a terabyte sized image, to ruin it. It doesn't take much
to make a backup useless. You don't have to encrypt the entire
file. The restore software does checksum checks on chunks it is
restoring, and it'll stop if one is corrupted. The user manual
doesn't normally address how to "walk around" a bad chunk.

I've had a couple backups ruined here by bad RAM on this
computer, and that's why I know what the behavior is on
a restore. I got half way through a restore of a 1TB image,
and it just stopped and gave me some bad news. And I correlated
the failures I could detect, with when the RAM on this
computer got replaced last year, because the RAM failed in service.
The backup software usually has a "Verify" option, and you can
run that on a set of backup images, to get some idea what
epoch of backups is ruined. Not all backup corruptions are
detect-able, but luckily this one was.

Paul

While I completely agree with you Paul, I do images on both alternate
computers and an external drive which is kept away in another part of
the house.
Images are only of the C drive, which is operating system and programs.
Personal files which are on separate partitions are just synced to all
machines and another external drive so images of the C drive are quick
to do and only take a few minutes.

--
mick