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Old February 11th 18, 06:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill Bradshaw
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the Windows
Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed. Would like to
avoid having to download the entire definitions file to get around this. My
searches have not turned up anything and I did find anything in the policies
that would allow me to do this. If this is possible would like some help
figuring it out.
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Old February 11th 18, 06:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill Bradshaw
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the
Windows Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed. Would
like to avoid having to download the entire definitions file to
get around this. My searches have not turned up anything and I did
find anything in the policies that would allow me to do this. If
this is possible would like some help figuring it out.


Should say "did not find"

Bill


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Old February 11th 18, 08:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Zaidy036[_5_]
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

On 2/11/2018 12:54 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the
Windows Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed. Would
like to avoid having to download the entire definitions file to
get around this. My searches have not turned up anything and I did
find anything in the policies that would allow me to do this. If
this is possible would like some help figuring it out.


Should say "did not find"

Bill


use batch and either run by Task Scheduler time or on demand or Shortcut:
(Windows Defender must have similar cmd to MSC)

START "" /WAIT "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Client\MpCmdRun.exe"
-SignatureUpdate -MMPC

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Old February 11th 18, 08:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

On 11/02/2018 17:51, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the Windows
Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed. Would like to
avoid having to download the entire definitions file to get around this. My
searches have not turned up anything and I did find anything in the policies
that would allow me to do this. If this is possible would like some help
figuring it out.


Defender updates are always available whether or not you have disabled
Windows Update. Defender updates are treated like any other 3rd party
updates.



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Old February 11th 18, 09:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the Windows
Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed. Would like to
avoid having to download the entire definitions file to get around this. My
searches have not turned up anything and I did find anything in the policies
that would allow me to do this. If this is possible would like some help
figuring it out.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

Did you try to get Defender updates? If so, what happened?
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Old February 11th 18, 10:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Monty
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 08:51:07 -0900, "Bill Bradshaw"
wrote:

Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the Windows
Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed. Would like to
avoid having to download the entire definitions file to get around this. My
searches have not turned up anything and I did find anything in the policies
that would allow me to do this. If this is possible would like some help
figuring it out.


You might find Windows Update MiniTool useful.
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Old February 12th 18, 06:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill Bradshaw
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VanguardLH wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the
Windows Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed.
Would like to avoid having to download the entire definitions file
to get around this. My searches have not turned up anything and I
did find anything in the policies that would allow me to do this.
If this is possible would like some help figuring it out.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

Did you try to get Defender updates? If so, what happened?


The problem with this is they want to download the entire 119 MB file to you
rather than just the updates.

Bill


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Old February 12th 18, 06:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill Bradshaw
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

Zaidy036 wrote:
On 2/11/2018 12:54 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the
Windows Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed.
Would like to avoid having to download the entire definitions file
to get around this. My searches have not turned up anything and I did
find anything in the policies that would allow me to do this. If
this is possible would like some help figuring it out.


Should say "did not find"

Bill


use batch and either run by Task Scheduler time or on demand or
Shortcut: (Windows Defender must have similar cmd to MSC)

START "" /WAIT "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security
Client\MpCmdRun.exe" -SignatureUpdate -MMPC


Created a batch file. Will see how it works tomorrow. The only change to
the path is C:\Program Files\Windows Defender. I ran MpCmdRun from a dos
box to look at the command line arguments and they appear to be the same.

Bill


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Old February 12th 18, 10:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Bill Bradshaw wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the
Windows Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed.
Would like to avoid having to download the entire definitions file
to get around this. My searches have not turned up anything and I
did find anything in the policies that would allow me to do this.
If this is possible would like some help figuring it out.


https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/definitions

Did you try to get Defender updates? If so, what happened?


The problem with this is they want to download the entire 119 MB file to you
rather than just the updates.


No anti-malware product would be worth a gnat's fart if it didn't update
MORE than just hash signatures. They also incorporate heuristics that
must be modified over time to adapt to the ever changing behaviors of
malware. I've used several anti-virus/malware programs. Yes, they have
sig updates but occasionally they also have *program* updates. I have
not delved into the inner workings of Defender because it has been and
remains an ineffective anti-malware choice. It's likely Microsoft nor
any other anti-virus/malware author is going to divulge the inner
workings of their product since secrecy is often considered security.

Old sigs may no longer be needed or are no longer applicable so they
should be removed. All security software based on sigs, keywords
(Bayesian), or other databased identifiers should have a floor function
to delete antiquated indicators; i.e., to remove the chaff. Perhaps
Defender doesn't have a floor function and instead the only way to flush
the old useless crap out of the sig database is to replace it. Instead
of getting an incremental update, you might periodically get a
cumulative update.

Why do you care about the size of the sig update file? What type of
Internet access do you have: always-on cable, DSL, or dial-up? Are you
on a metered service? At 200 Mbps (what I have), the file would take
less than 5 seconds to download (actually it was so fast that I didn't
have time to move the mouse cursor to a Start button on a timer app that
was ready to measure the download time). At 20 Mbps, it might take 50
seconds. On dialup, of course, it would take a lot longer, like 5
hours. 119 MB is probably less than all the slack space in your file
system (file allocation is by clusters, not individual bytes) along with
volume slack space (unused space between the end of file system and end
of the partition where the file system resides) and partition slack
space (the unused portion of the drive outside of the partition),
especially if you are using drives in the terabyte capacity range.

I'm wondering why you care about a 119 MB file. You aren't trying to
archive the sig update downloads on floppies, are you?
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Old February 12th 18, 11:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Zaidy036 wrote:

Bill Bradshaw wrote:

Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the
Windows Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed.
Would like to avoid having to download the entire definitions file
to get around this.


use batch and either run by Task Scheduler time or on demand or
Shortcut: (Windows Defender must have similar cmd to MSC)

START "" /WAIT "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security
Client\MpCmdRun.exe" -SignatureUpdate -MMPC


Created a batch file. Will see how it works tomorrow. The only change to
the path is C:\Program Files\Windows Defender. I ran MpCmdRun from a dos
box to look at the command line arguments and they appear to be the same.


Changing the user interface or method to retrieve signature updates for
Defender is NOT going to change the size of the delivered file. It will
still be 119 MB in size. You still get the entire definitions file.

Make sure the BITS (Background Intelligent Transfer Service) is not
disabled. Both BITS and wuauserv are used by the WU client. BITS can
be used by any program for background downloads (to minimize impact on
system responsiveness). Defender uses BITS.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../mt703280.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backgr...ansfer_Service

To prevent any updating, including covert updates (those you see without
any prompt but notice upon shutdown a message saying updates are getting
applied), I use a batch file to enable BITS & wuauserv, then run the WU
client, and another batch file to disable both BITS & wuauserv. With
the services disabled, your above MpCmdRun program won't be able to use
BITS to download the update.

https://fossbytes.com/stop-disable-w...dates-command/

Under pre-10 Windows, I've only disabled the BITS and wuauserv services.
The above article mentions the dosvc service for Windows 10. I'll have
to check if I should add "sc.exe [start|stop} dosvc" to my batch files
as that service could affect more than just Windows updates.

I use the service control (sc.exe) program to manage services which has
more options than does 'net [start|stop]'. I don't just want to stop
the services as they'll start on the next Windows load. I don't want a
per Windows session lockout on updating. Instead I want those services
stopped AND DISABLED until I decide to check for updates hence why I use
sc.exe to manage them.
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Old February 12th 18, 11:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

VanguardLH wrote:

https://fossbytes.com/stop-disable-w...dates-command/

Under pre-10 Windows, I've only disabled the BITS and wuauserv services.
The above article mentions the dosvc service for Windows 10. I'll have
to check if I should add "sc.exe [start|stop} dosvc" to my batch files
as that service could affect more than just Windows updates.


Instead of bothering to enable/disable the dosvc (Delivery Optimization
service) in my batch files, I'll just turn off that feature.

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/...y-optimization

I don't want any portion of Windows, Defender, Office, or other
Microsoft updates to originate from non-Microsoft sources. Microsoft
doesn't get to use my computer as a local cache nor my bandwidth to help
make their update system appear faster.
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Old February 13th 18, 12:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Bill Bradshaw" wrote in message
...
Running Windows 10 Pro 32 bit. Would like to be able to update the
Windows Defender definitions while the other updates are delayed. Would
like to avoid having to download the entire definitions file to get around
this. My searches have not turned up anything and I did find anything in
the policies that would allow me to do this. If this is possible would
like some help figuring it out.


First task after turning on the PC is to update Windows Defender from the
GUI.
Windows 8.1 but I think it's the same in Windows 10.

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Old February 13th 18, 07:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bill Bradshaw
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Default Update Defender With Other Updates Delayed

VanguardLH wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:

https://fossbytes.com/stop-disable-w...dates-command/

Under pre-10 Windows, I've only disabled the BITS and wuauserv
services. The above article mentions the dosvc service for Windows
10. I'll have to check if I should add "sc.exe [start|stop} dosvc"
to my batch files as that service could affect more than just
Windows updates.


Instead of bothering to enable/disable the dosvc (Delivery
Optimization service) in my batch files, I'll just turn off that
feature.

https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/...y-optimization

I don't want any portion of Windows, Defender, Office, or other
Microsoft updates to originate from non-Microsoft sources. Microsoft
doesn't get to use my computer as a local cache nor my bandwidth to
help make their update system appear faster.


This worked fine. Also added a line to run a quick scan. Now I just click
the batch file short cut on the desktop and everything works.

For some reason I had already disabled dosvc.

Thanks for your help.

Bill


 




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