SeaMonkey Still a sputtering dog.

Use seamonkeyfor newsgroips only.
Use exact same newsgroups and subscripts on a Win 7 and Win XP PCs with
NO problems like on In 10.

It is wifi to my AT&T router.
I tried the 2gH and 5GH wifi connections and both have the problem
I got a new AT&T wifi router and still the same problem.
(It just now hung, this time for 8 seconds).

Thunderbird used for eMail seems to have a similar problem.

It just freezes for 20 to 30 seconds often.

Started seamonkey in safe mode.
virus scanner switched off.
put an exception in MS virus scan for seamonkey.exe with full path.
Found a mcafee and removed it.

but I still see msmpeng.exe in process explorer. why?

I see nothing in Process Explorer using CPU when the hangs occur.

I do archive posts in seamonkey on this Win10 and my Win XP laptop.

Process Explorer sits at about 80% idle.

If I try to use Process Explorer to kill msmpeng.exe it will not die.

Seamonkey 2.49.2 running.

Puddintane wrote:
Use seamonkeyfor newsgroips only.
Use exact same newsgroups and subscripts on a Win 7 and Win XP PCs with
NO problems like on In 10.

It is wifi to my AT&T router.
I tried the 2gH and 5GH wifi connections and both have the problem
I got a new AT&T wifi router and still the same problem.
(It just now hung, this time for 8 seconds).

Thunderbird used for eMail seems to have a similar problem.

It just freezes for 20 to 30 seconds often.

Started seamonkey in safe mode.
virus scanner switched off.
put an exception in MS virus scan for seamonkey.exe with full path.
Found a mcafee and removed it.

but I still see msmpeng.exe in process explorer. why?

I see nothing in Process Explorer using CPU when the hangs occur.

I do archive posts in seamonkey on this Win10 and my Win XP laptop.

Process Explorer sits at about 80% idle.

If I try to use Process Explorer to kill msmpeng.exe it will not die.

Seamonkey 2.49.2 running.


On Win10 Pro, you could try this GPEdit solution for MsMpEng.

https://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/25/ho...0-permanently/

Win10 Home doesn't have GPEdit installed. Everything that GPEdit
does, can probably be instantiated with Regedit... but you need the
spreadsheet that maps GPEdit policy to Regedit entry, to make
changes that way.

*******

I'm seeing networking issues on Windows 10.

If I start Firefox, I type in a URL, the "animation" in the upper left
corner of Firefox runs. Yet, my web page doesn't show up. It
might take *20 seconds* for the page to paint.

You know the OS has something to do with this, but what exactly ?
Think of the components. There is a firewall. The firewall is
written in .NET, and the firewall won't start promptly
if ngen.exe hasn't pre-compiled the firewall .NET assembly.
After the firewall, there could be the AllJoyn router.

Could MsMpEng be "gating" the processing of a URL ?
I don't know the answer to that. Firefox seems to think
a request was sent, because the animation is running, and
it almost seems like it's waiting for something to come back.
Could it be that the first TCP packet sent is being "lost"
in the Microsoft slush ? Could be. Maybe the second (re-transmitted)
packet is actually getting through. The timing of the
web page finally showing up, doesn't look consistent enough
to be a TCP/IP time constant.

Maybe it's a DNS problem, where the first attempt to resolve
the host portion of the URL is not working properly. And
requires a retry.

You can use a copy of Wireshark to debug this if you want.
It can watch the DNS packet leave the computer. It can tell
you when the processed URL became a packet and also left
the computer. If this doesn't seem to run, remember that
to operate a promiscuous receiver, the Winpcap has to
run as Administrator to be able to access the NIC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireshark

But once this little charade is done (20 second delay for
first web page), later web pages may choose to load faster.
That rules out a good many things.

I wouldn't say "stuttering" is the right description,
but I can tell you that if I go back to my WinXP machine
and type in those URLs, the browser responds immediately,
without any drama.

And always keep in mind, that Firefox, Seamonkey, and
Thunderbird, can "share" a code base. You cannot consider them
to have totally independent operations. Maybe they all suffer
a common "bug". There is some time delay, between a Firefox
change showing up elsewhere, but it's still possible
that something you see in all three, has a root cause
buried in some Firefox code in the source. Now, if you
said Chrome had a problem, Chrome comes from Google, while
the other three travel in a Mozilla orbit (even though
officially now, Thunderbird is its own orphan project living
on its own website).

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/

It looks like all thunderbird.net has been able to do
so far, is make that page. As all the links on the page
still lead to Mozilla. Even though Mozilla doesn't have
a lot of Thunderbird pages left. You probably won't see a
Thunderbird promo on the front page of Mozilla.

Seeing a 20 second delay on Chrome too, would finger the
OS as being a culprit. Especially if your WinXP machine
worked perfectly fine with the browsers.

*******

And believe it or not, I don't debug everything here.
I'm relying on *you* to dig up an answer for us.

As for the behavior of Thunderbird, I hope you realize
that the latest versions are pure crap - there is all sorts
of "internal activity", disk reads, CPU usage, when absolutely
nothing is going on. Try not to rely on the "stuttering"
Thunderbird now does naturally, to draw any conclusions.
Seamonkey should be better in this regard, and isn't over
the top like the modern Thunderbird is. If Seamonkey
stutters, there is more likely to be a real problem present.

Good luck,
Paul

On 3/13/2018 11:10 AM, Puddintane wrote:
Use seamonkeyfor newsgroips only.
Use exact same newsgroups and subscripts on a Win 7 and Win XP PCs with
NO problems like on In 10.

It is wifi to my AT&T router.
I tried the 2gH and 5GH wifi connections and both have the problem
I got a new AT&T wifi router and still the same problem.
(It just now hung, this time for 8 seconds).

Thunderbird used for eMail seems to have a similar problem.

It just freezes for 20 to 30 seconds often.

Started seamonkey in safe mode.
virus scanner switched off.
put an exception in MS virus scan for seamonkey.exe with full path.
Found a mcafee and removed it.

but I still see msmpeng.exe in process explorer.Â* why?

I see nothing in Process Explorer using CPU when the hangs occur.

I do archive posts in seamonkey on this Win10 and my Win XP laptop.

Process Explorer sits at about 80% idle.

If I try to use Process Explorer to kill msmpeng.exe it will not die.

Seamonkey 2.49.2 running.

Are you sure it is the program, Firefox,Thunderbird, seamonkey, etc.?

One of the frustrations I have with ATT is that while they push speed,
their overall through put stinks. Even on small request to the ATT
servers it may take several seconds for ATT to respond. I have a 12
Mbps, however when I was at my brothers, I was getting the same
performance through put with his system which was 2 Mbps. The difference
was the lag time, With ATT you may get a burst of 12 Mbps, then another
burst several seconds later. On my brothers system the total packet
would be delivered in a second at 2 Mbps



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As I have said many times, I do not have these problems on two Win & Pro
PC and two Win P Pro laptops all wifi to my home AT&T Router.
Ant this is actually the forth AT&T Router model installed by AT&T.
Those router changes were for adjusting the download speed to meet
myneeds. that is all confirmed by internet speedtest.




Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/13/2018 11:10 AM, Puddintane wrote:
Use seamonkeyfor newsgroips only.
Use exact same newsgroups and subscripts on a Win 7 and Win XP PCs
with NO problems like on In 10.

It is wifi to my AT&T router.
I tried the 2gH and 5GH wifi connections and both have the problem
I got a new AT&T wifi router and still the same problem.
(It just now hung, this time for 8 seconds).

Thunderbird used for eMail seems to have a similar problem.

It just freezes for 20 to 30 seconds often.

Started seamonkey in safe mode.
virus scanner switched off.
put an exception in MS virus scan for seamonkey.exe with full path.
Found a mcafee and removed it.

but I still see msmpeng.exe in process explorer.Â* why?

I see nothing in Process Explorer using CPU when the hangs occur.

I do archive posts in seamonkey on this Win10 and my Win XP laptop.

Process Explorer sits at about 80% idle.

If I try to use Process Explorer to kill msmpeng.exe it will not die.

Seamonkey 2.49.2 running.

Are you sure it is the program, Firefox,Thunderbird, seamonkey, etc.?

One of the frustrations I have with ATT is that while they push speed,
their overall through put stinks.Â* Even on small request to the ATT
servers it may take several seconds for ATT to respond.Â*Â* I have a 12
Mbps, however when I was at my brothers, I was getting the same
performance through put with his system which was 2 Mbps. The difference
was the lag time,Â* With ATT you may get a burst of 12 Mbps, then another
burst several seconds later.Â*Â* On my brothers system the total packet
would be delivered in a second at 2 Mbps

I have tried running wireshark before and it is too confusing and too
much of a learning curve for me to handle.

Is there some other simpler app ?

What am I looking for? maybe some other app will do similar without
all those features to sort through.

Puddintane wrote:
As I have said many times, I do not have these problems on two Win & Pro
PC and two Win P Pro laptops all wifi to my home AT&T Router.
Ant this is actually the forth AT&T Router model installed by AT&T.
Those router changes were for adjusting the download speed to meet
myneeds.Â* that is all confirmed by internet speedtest.

No problem with SeaMonkey here on Windows 10, nor on my Ubuntu systems.
Maybe the unique factor is not (SeaMonkey + Windows 10) but your
hardware, i.e. network adapter, specific to that machine running Windows
10. Seems to be a possibility where you said you have similar issue with
Thunderbird.

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Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Try reposting this issue in news.mozilla.org usenet server's
mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup.


Puddintane wrote:
Use seamonkeyfor newsgroips only.
Use exact same newsgroups and subscripts on a Win 7 and Win XP PCs with
NO problems like on In 10.

It is wifi to my AT&T router.
I tried the 2gH and 5GH wifi connections and both have the problem
I got a new AT&T wifi router and still the same problem.
(It just now hung, this time for 8 seconds).

Thunderbird used for eMail seems to have a similar problem.

It just freezes for 20 to 30 seconds often.

Started seamonkey in safe mode.
virus scanner switched off.
put an exception in MS virus scan for seamonkey.exe with full path.
Found a mcafee and removed it.

but I still see msmpeng.exe in process explorer. why?

I see nothing in Process Explorer using CPU when the hangs occur.

I do archive posts in seamonkey on this Win10 and my Win XP laptop.

Process Explorer sits at about 80% idle.

If I try to use Process Explorer to kill msmpeng.exe it will not die.

Seamonkey 2.49.2 running.
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On 13/03/2018 22:31, Ant wrote:
Try reposting this issue in news.mozilla.org usenet server's
mozilla.support.seamonkey newsgroup.



No we don't him there. He is a pain in the ass; He listens to no one
because he knows it all.

He has been told many times that Yahoo servers have inherent problems
and they go down most often than Microsoft or Gmail but Puding**** is
too thick to understand this.

/--- This email has been checked for viruses by Windows
Defender software.
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satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Puddintane wrote:
As I have said many times, I do not have these problems on two Win &
Pro PC and two Win P Pro laptops all wifi to my home AT&T Router.
Ant this is actually the forth AT&T Router model installed by AT&T.
Those router changes were for adjusting the download speed to meet
myneeds. that is all confirmed by internet speedtest.

No problem with SeaMonkey here on Windows 10, nor on my Ubuntu systems.
Maybe the unique factor is not (SeaMonkey + Windows 10) but your
hardware, i.e. network adapter, specific to that machine running Windows
10. Seems to be a possibility where you said you have similar issue with
Thunderbird.


DNS can be a factor.

A person could switch to 8.8.8.8 or 9.9.9.9
using the networking panel, and test to see if
a different DNS server leads to better/different
results. Normally, your networking panel will
be on "Auto", but you can change it and set
your own DNS choice.

My previous ISP, would provide two DNS servers in
the DHCP info, then make sure the first DNS server
was always dead. Then good ole Windows would try the
first DNS server over and over again, and wouldn't
switch permanently on its own to the backup. This
meant constant annoying delays.

My current ISP, I've never ever seen a DNS flaw
like that. DNS on the current ISP is seamless.
The previous ISP, you "got to know" their entire
DNS structure and setup - or, you didn't get
a working browser. Those were your choices.
I used to keep lists of replacement DNS server
IP addresses at that ISP, to substitute when
something was broke. That ISP would also "reboot"
the DNS servers *in pairs*, causing a complete
DNS outage lasting 15 minutes per day. Good help
is so so hard to find...

Paul

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:10:30 -0700, Puddintane wrote:

Use seamonkeyfor newsgroips only.
Use exact same newsgroups and subscripts on a Win 7 and Win XP PCs with
NO problems like on In 10.

It is wifi to my AT&T router.
I tried the 2gH and 5GH wifi connections and both have the problem
I got a new AT&T wifi router and still the same problem.
(It just now hung, this time for 8 seconds).

Thunderbird used for eMail seems to have a similar problem.

It just freezes for 20 to 30 seconds often.


I run SeaMonkey and Thunderbird on Windows 10, and I do not see this
problem.


Started seamonkey in safe mode.
virus scanner switched off.
put an exception in MS virus scan for seamonkey.exe with full path.
Found a mcafee and removed it.

but I still see msmpeng.exe in process explorer. why?


Better, put an exception for the folders where SeaMonkey's data is stored.

1. The roaming profile folder, at:

C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMon key\Profiles\xxxxxxxx.default

and subfolders of this roaming profile folder,
whe
* %USERNAME% is your Windows login username;
* the xxxxxxxx are 8 random characters.

2. The "local profile folder" (cache folders), at:

C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonke y\Profiles\xxxxxxxx.default

and subfolders of the "local profile folder" (cache folders),
whe
* %USERNAME% is your Windows login username;
* the xxxxxxxx are 8 random characters.


Or, switch to a better AV than Defender, one that doesn't bog your
system down.


I see nothing in Process Explorer using CPU when the hangs occur.

I do archive posts in seamonkey on this Win10 and my Win XP laptop.

Process Explorer sits at about 80% idle.

If I try to use Process Explorer to kill msmpeng.exe it will not die.


If another program could kill Defender, then that is what every wannabe
virus would do.


Seamonkey 2.49.2 running.


Same here.

But my AV is Kaspersky, not Defender.


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Kind regards
Ralph
🦊

Puddintane wrote:
I have tried running wireshark before and it is too confusing and too
much of a learning curve for me to handle.

Is there some other simpler app ?

What am I looking for? maybe some other app will do similar without
all those features to sort through.


All I can say is "wow" when I looked inside.

I'm going to have to buy some extra tinfoil hats.

It took Firefox 17 seconds to respond to the first URL
typed into it.

For five seconds of that, Firefox appears to be meditating.
There was no external activity. Firefox has various places.sql,
phishing databases and so on. And some step warming up those,
seems to keep Firefox pretty busy internally.

That leaves about 12 seconds unaccounted for.

It appears some proxy service is getting queried. Does
Firefox know it's using a proxy, or is the Microsoft proxy
simply a "trap" ? A way to eavesdrop ?

The sequence involved Cortana contacting a site called "Bingbot",
which suggests my URL used by me, was sent to the Vortex for recording.
I couldn't understand why this needed to be done in real time.
It also looked like what I was doing was also logged locally.
The process looked pretty thorough.

There were seconds and seconds of surveillance system powering
up in the trace. This could be why, further URLs types into
Firefox would go faster, because Cortana and friends are
already listening and ready to act. Cortana records your
purient interests, to put related tiles in your menu later.

But seeing the contacts to 65.52.108.103, not having it
resolve in Wireshark, being forced to go to a third party
nslookup and discovering the site was BingBot, that was
truly hilarious. I understand Microsoft selected that
domain name, because "bwahahaha.com" was already taken.

*******

Summary:

It looks like multiple contributing factors are involved
in my slow initial Firefox browser response. Some of it
is Firefoxes fault. And some of what I saw, made me
want to go back to WinXP (sad panda).

Good luck with your research.

*******

Tools I used:

1) FFMPEG screen recording, with timestamper.

This allowed me to record the URL going into Firefox at
27:02 and Firefox finally drawing the screen at 27:19.

2) Process Monitor - a trace with 2 million events in it.

3) Wireshark, for the packet part of it.

4) Process Explorer (Run As Administrator) - to examine
a SVCHOST seen in Process Monitor and discover the name
of the service.

Paul

Ralph Fox wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:10:30 -0700, Puddintane wrote:

Use seamonkeyfor newsgroips only.
Use exact same newsgroups and subscripts on a Win 7 and Win XP PCs with
NO problems like on In 10.

It is wifi to my AT&T router.
I tried the 2gH and 5GH wifi connections and both have the problem
I got a new AT&T wifi router and still the same problem.
(It just now hung, this time for 8 seconds).

Thunderbird used for eMail seems to have a similar problem.

It just freezes for 20 to 30 seconds often.


I run SeaMonkey and Thunderbird on Windows 10, and I do not see this
problem.


Started seamonkey in safe mode.
virus scanner switched off.
put an exception in MS virus scan for seamonkey.exe with full path.
Found a mcafee and removed it.

but I still see msmpeng.exe in process explorer. why?


Better, put an exception for the folders where SeaMonkey's data is stored.

1. The roaming profile folder, at:

C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMon key\Profiles\xxxxxxxx.default

and subfolders of this roaming profile folder,
whe
* %USERNAME% is your Windows login username;
* the xxxxxxxx are 8 random characters.

2. The "local profile folder" (cache folders), at:

C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Local\Mozilla\SeaMonke y\Profiles\xxxxxxxx.default

and subfolders of the "local profile folder" (cache folders),
whe
* %USERNAME% is your Windows login username;
* the xxxxxxxx are 8 random characters.


Or, switch to a better AV than Defender, one that doesn't bog your
system down.


I see nothing in Process Explorer using CPU when the hangs occur.

I do archive posts in seamonkey on this Win10 and my Win XP laptop.

Process Explorer sits at about 80% idle.

If I try to use Process Explorer to kill msmpeng.exe it will not die.


If another program could kill Defender, then that is what every wannabe
virus would do.


Seamonkey 2.49.2 running.


Same here.

But my AV is Kaspersky, not Defender.


No problem using SM 2.49.2 and AV Bitdefender