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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
I count 1117 and it scanned update folders for a long time. I'm guessing a
clean install would give a different story. "OMEN3" wrote in message ... I just counted 1023 executable inside %SYSTEMROOT% and its subfolders alone on an XPSP2 box. Add in the %PROGRAMFILES% bits that ship with Windows and you're rapidly approaching that number. Toss in a Resource Kit, deployment tools, the Adminpak or some Sysinternals stuff and you'll match it. to say nothing of the bundled HW manufacturer or Microsoft bundleware (Office 2003 trial or Works, for example. And some of my boxes came with M$ Money *shudder*) "Justin" wrote: Oh, I get it. What you're saying is Linux installs a bunch of resource hogging crap of which the average person will never use. Wow, what a wonderful way to spend HDD space! I wish Windows would install 2500+ applications for no good reason! I MUST COLLECT THEM ALL!!!!!!! "arachnid" wrote in message newsan.2007.02.22.20.22.40.552282@goawayspammers .com... On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:03:19 -0800, Justin wrote: Few X 2? So you have at least 600 apps on your machine? How many apps I have on my machine is an entirely different question from how many I use. Here's how many are installed on the system: /usr/sbin 157 /usr/bin 107 /usr/sbin 210 /usr/bin 2031 Most of those are part of the default install but I discount the majority because I only use a small portion of them. I call BS on that one! It's easy enough to generate a list of all the applications I use but you'll still refuse to believe me. Ask in the Linux groups, you'll find that around 400 applications is typical of someone who has used Linux for several years and uses both GUI and CLI tools. And note that I'm not saying I use each and every application every day. However, each is likely to get used at least once over the course of several weeks. 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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
"Justin" wrote in message
... I count 1117 and it scanned update folders for a long time. I'm guessing a clean install would give a different story. Clean Install (XP Pro w/SP2): Windows (plus all subfolders): 811 files Program Files (plus all subfolders): 37 files |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:00:01 -0700, OMEN3
wrote: So how many times in the past 5 years have you had to reinstall\rebuild a windows box? Once. That was due to a SATA drive install. I had a backup but it didn't like the drive when I put it on there; probably a driver problem. -- Top 10 Conservative Idiots: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10 |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:00:01 -0700, OMEN3
wrote: and forced retirement of XP will only further encourage us to move to *nix and OpenOffice or Google apps. What "forced retirement"? You think your XP is gonna suddenly stop working? I'll happily take the license(s) off your hands. -- Top 10 Conservative Idiots: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10 |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
Paul
Do you feel like sharing some of them? "Paul Knudsen" wrote in message ... On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:00:01 -0700, OMEN3 wrote: and forced retirement of XP will only further encourage us to move to *nix and OpenOffice or Google apps. What "forced retirement"? You think your XP is gonna suddenly stop working? I'll happily take the license(s) off your hands. -- Top 10 Conservative Idiots: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10 -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:26:23 -0400, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
wrote: Paul Do you feel like sharing some of them? Heheh, you thinking of Ebay too? -- Top 10 Conservative Idiots: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10 |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
You Must Be Joking.
I find this hole "Blob" Quite Misleading. The umber one thing I can see you did wrong is this: When your reading on linux and you actully look into it before you switch your system, you should have learned about Samba, and root. There is no way that you should have never learned about it. My friend Is A Computer Wiz, He has been using Linux for the past couple of years. It never did anything wrong, it was perfect. He Uses it for normal Things, and for "Nerdy" Type things. The only times it has ever crashed is if HE did somthing wrong. " wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in operating systems. After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install. First problem, my SATA drives were not found. Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a Custom Install Option. (After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user, Fedora was installed) Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub Error 15 message. Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD. So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off the screen and too low to click on anything. Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were incorrect for my common Nvidia card. So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what appeared to be 16 colors. Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at the same time like I have with Windows. Bummer. I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow. So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty good. Time to add a printer. I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed? I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this. It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page does the same thing over and over and over again. Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad beast, starts right up again wasting my paper. Finally I turn the damm thing off while I..................... Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and thankfully it behaves. Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network. The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines. And now it's......... you guessed it! GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working, and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba. I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working. At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might add, into the dustbin. I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of garbage into my systems. I can see why Linux is free. It doesn't work! I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in Microsoft's armour: It, Linux, doesn't work. I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people, to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are daft. Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla |
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Linux is not for the computer illiterate, the faint of heart, or the
unprepared. I believe the OP was woefully unprepared to embark on the Linux path. After 4 hours of google, he discovered "the wonderful account called root". That alone tells me he had no idea what he was getting himself into, and that he should have spent some time researching Linux, his distro, and it's issues before jumping into it. I have gone down the same path the OP went down, but with very different results. I choose Slackware for my distro. Slackware is one of the "purer" Linux distribution in that it is not bundled with any branded add-ons. It is also one of the more difficult distros to install and configure because it doesn't do a whole lot for you. My results? Everything works. Yes, things did not work at first, I had to learn about Samba, I had to find out that the mixer mutes the audio by default, I had to find out how to manually configure inet1.conf to support my wireless card, etc. I have a desktop running only linux. I have another that I split my time between both XP and Linux. I have my laptop 95% converted to Linux. The only thing I can't do is watch encrypted/protected DVDs, and I know how to get it to work but haven't had the time to do it. And with Wine I can even run a lot of my Windows programs. "Linux ")" Linux wrote in message ... You Must Be Joking. I find this hole "Blob" Quite Misleading. The umber one thing I can see you did wrong is this: When your reading on linux and you actully look into it before you switch your system, you should have learned about Samba, and root. There is no way that you should have never learned about it. My friend Is A Computer Wiz, He has been using Linux for the past couple of years. It never did anything wrong, it was perfect. He Uses it for normal Things, and for "Nerdy" Type things. The only times it has ever crashed is if HE did somthing wrong. " wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in operating systems. After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install. First problem, my SATA drives were not found. Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a Custom Install Option. (After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user, Fedora was installed) Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub Error 15 message. Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD. So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off the screen and too low to click on anything. Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were incorrect for my common Nvidia card. So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what appeared to be 16 colors. Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at the same time like I have with Windows. Bummer. I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow. So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty good. Time to add a printer. I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed? I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this. It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page does the same thing over and over and over again. Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad beast, starts right up again wasting my paper. Finally I turn the damm thing off while I..................... Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and thankfully it behaves. Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network. The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines. And now it's......... you guessed it! GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working, and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba. I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working. At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might add, into the dustbin. I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of garbage into my systems. I can see why Linux is free. It doesn't work! I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in Microsoft's armour: It, Linux, doesn't work. I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people, to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are daft. Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
PS. Google is greatly over rated. If you need help with Linux, go to
linuxquestions.org, and don't waste your time with google. "Linux ")" Linux wrote in message ... You Must Be Joking. I find this hole "Blob" Quite Misleading. The umber one thing I can see you did wrong is this: When your reading on linux and you actully look into it before you switch your system, you should have learned about Samba, and root. There is no way that you should have never learned about it. My friend Is A Computer Wiz, He has been using Linux for the past couple of years. It never did anything wrong, it was perfect. He Uses it for normal Things, and for "Nerdy" Type things. The only times it has ever crashed is if HE did somthing wrong. " wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in operating systems. After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install. First problem, my SATA drives were not found. Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a Custom Install Option. (After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user, Fedora was installed) Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub Error 15 message. Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD. So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off the screen and too low to click on anything. Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were incorrect for my common Nvidia card. So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what appeared to be 16 colors. Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at the same time like I have with Windows. Bummer. I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow. So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty good. Time to add a printer. I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed? I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this. It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page does the same thing over and over and over again. Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad beast, starts right up again wasting my paper. Finally I turn the damm thing off while I..................... Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and thankfully it behaves. Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network. The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines. And now it's......... you guessed it! GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working, and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba. I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working. At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might add, into the dustbin. I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of garbage into my systems. I can see why Linux is free. It doesn't work! I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in Microsoft's armour: It, Linux, doesn't work. I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people, to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are daft. Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
Came across this brain-dead post while googling for Vista problems
" wrote: I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and finally after 3 days I have everything working. This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in operating systems. After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install. First problem, my SATA drives were not found. Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a Custom Install Option. duh - google for 2 hours!!!! - its on the install screen for gods sake (After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user, Fedora was installed) and diskpart is better? Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub Error 15 message. Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD. So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off the screen and too low to click on anything. Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were incorrect for my common Nvidia card. So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what appeared to be 16 colors. Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at the same time like I have with Windows. Bummer. again duh - load the nvidia linux driver, like you would in windows I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow. So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty good. Time to add a printer. I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed? I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this. It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page does the same thing over and over and over again. Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad beast, starts right up again wasting my paper. Finally I turn the damm thing off while I..................... same thing with any os with wrong printer driver Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and thankfully it behaves. Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network. The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines. And now it's......... you guessed it! GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working, and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba. I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working. http://www.dice.inf.ed.ac.uk/groups/...ocs/samba.html 3rd link on google and samba At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might add, into the dustbin. I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of garbage into my systems. I can see why Linux is free. It doesn't work! I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in Microsoft's armour: It, Linux, doesn't work. I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people, to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are daft. Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user. Karla Either a troll or seriously stupid |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
" wrote: On Feb 25, 5:17 am, Stephan Rose wrote: The problem with Linux is that while the postage may be free, the time required to make Linux work is astronomical. Sure the Linux pundits will cry "it works fine for me" and blame the user, but the internet is chock full of Linux horror stories. Astronomical? I can have Kubuntu up and running on my machine with all my development tools and a 3D Accelerated Desktop in probably less than 2 hours. Key words 'development tools' Now try the same thing with average Joe's desktop. Why won't Quicken work? How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss). when did windows play these out of the box - again same deal with Linux Assuming the user knows this, which he won't. Why are my fonts horrible? (Time to go steal Microsoft ttfs) Assuming the user knows this, which he won't. no probs with my fonts - MS free on 3 boxes Why can't I see my other Windows machines on the family network? (Time to discover Samba. That should take about a month to sort out) and so forth. no issues You are a geek. Geeks and Linux are a perfect combination. Yea...astronomical.. Yes. And note that I am not a hardcore life-long linux user. I didn't switch until Microsoft released Vista... Funny, you sure sound like one. Development tools gave you away. Next time tell them you run a library, the kind with books, or something. I've always wondered what "works for me" actually means when spoken by a Linux zealot. Does it mean the system boots? Yes. And...... Does it mean 640x480 on the screen? Means 1600x1200 at 32bits per pixel fully 3D Accelerated with Beryl if I want. All the features that Aero has and them some without the price of screwing my machine up with vista. =) If you say so, but a little googling shows a lot of problems in that area with (k)ubuntu. But you say it works for you so that means it must. Does it mean their Epson 9 pin printer works? No clue, don't own one. It was probably built before you were born. Their Soundblaster 8 bit or Adlib card (remember those?) makes noise? My Audigy works perfect including the 7.1 surround sound... So they finally got that one working with Linux after about 2 years of trying? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18802.html Does it work FULLY? IOW everything that Windows is able to use on the card. Amazing. Cue: "It's not Linux's fault that hardware manufacturers don't provide specs for Linux programmers to write drivers:" You were going to say that now weren't you? Here's a clue: They don't provide specs for Windows programmers either. They include the drivers for the current version of the OS in the box. Time invested? Maybe a few hours per day for a couple days to learn the basics to work with the operating system....Nothing that is unreasonable to expect form learning how to work with a new operating system. Time for average Joe to get his data back after he hoses his system by trying to install Linux infinite. -- Stephan Rose 2003 Yamaha R6 君のこと思い出すひなんてないのは 君のこと忘れた時がないから |
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