***** sp2 bREAKS eVERYTHING!!!!! *****

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:27:25 -0400, "Papa" wrote:

Did you have to reactivate Windows? I did.

It's a new installation that I activated recently, so let's see... no,
WPAInfo says I'm still "Fully Licensed" with no lost component votes.

If you had to "just format and re-install" then YMMV. If part of your
recovery dance was to reformat C:, then you'd lose the vote of C:'s
volume serial number. With votes lost from other causes, that might
tip you into having to reactivate XP.




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Well, the only thing I had done to my system before installing SP2 was to
add a CD-RW drive and add more RAM. I downloaded SP2 from the Microsoft
website intended for system manufacturers, rather than wait for it to appear
in the Windows Update screen.

Both were on Prescotts, with the caches enabled. What revision number is
the mobo you are using? If it is an early revision, it may have issues with
Prescotts.

Bobby

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:56:26 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"

I have installed SP2 on two....an 865 based laptop and an 875 based
desktop.... Both installations went seamlessly and the machines have
thus far exhibited no issues.

What processors?

Have you made sure that you have the latest BIOS and chipset drivers for
your mobo?

Yes; the mobo had a July 2004 BIOS update to handle Prescott. Before
that, it worked, other than exiting CMOS after saving changes would
save changes and then lock up.

There are no newer BIOS updates for the mobo; I checked today, in case
there was a "use this for SP2" update.

Then again, consider; an OS is supposed to work on the hardware as the
hardware is. Once the hardware has to have special changes for the
benefit of one particular OS, it's rolling down a slippery slope from
being an OS-agnostic platform to a Windows-only toy.

After about 4-5 hours, I've got my PC back to life. It took that long
to run XP and uninstall SP2, once L1 and L2 cache were disabled.
Disabling these caches was the only way to get back in.



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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:37:40 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"

Both were on Prescotts, with the caches enabled.

Ah, good. So far it looks as all failures have had the Prescott
factor, so more mileage on that is welcome. Nice to know that not
every Prescott will crash and burn, at least - next is to scope out
which boxen will be affected, and perhaps exclude these before
indtalling SP2 via a bit of installer stub intelligence.

That's what I'd do if I were MS, and didn't want to re-version the
whole of SP2 beyond RTM just yet.

What revision number is the mobo you are using?

Dunno about the mobo itself, but the BIOS it came with wasn't Prescott
ready (lockup after saving CMOS settings before exiting CMOS). I
applied a BIOS upgrade to "04", being of July 2004, and when I looked
yesterday, there was no newer BIOS available.

If it is an early revision, it may have issues with Prescotts.

Evidently ;-p



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******** I too got screwed by the automatic updates SP2 *****

"nAN" wrote:

dON'T INSTALL SP2! i HAVEAND NOW MY COMPUTER CAN'T TALK
TO TOHER PC'SANYMORE HERE AT HOME, AND IT COMPLAINS ABOUT
FIREWALL ANF ANTIVIRUS. cANT ACCESS VARUOIS WEBPAGES AND
EVEN THE WAY MY COMPUTER LOOKS WHEN IT IS STARTING UP IS
DIFFERENT!!! yOU WOULD BE WELL WARRNED TO STAY AWAY!!!

It is dumb asses like you that are the problem, not SP2. You simply do not
know what you are doing.. It's ok though, all first computer users go through
this stage.. So how long has it been for you? These problems are very easy to
fix, all you need to do is TYPE WITHOUT CAPSLOCK and get your head straight
so that someone will answer your question!
To answer your problems:

1.) See a brain sergian
2.) It all has to do with the firewall, go in there and read a little bit,
if you know how to, give permision to other comptuers to access yours.
3.) You can turn that off just by going into the "Change how the Security
Center notifies me" and unchecking all of the boxes, which i do not suggest
you do.
4.) Since a lot of spyware comes from java-activated webpages it has been
blocked, you can simply give access to those web pages, CLICK ON THE
INFORMATION BAR, then go on from there!
5.) The new boot screen is made more generic, which to me is better! You
can use theme-xp to change it back to normal.
6.) Shut up

"nAN" wrote:

dON'T INSTALL SP2! i HAVEAND NOW MY COMPUTER CAN'T TALK
TO TOHER PC'SANYMORE HERE AT HOME, AND IT COMPLAINS ABOUT
FIREWALL ANF ANTIVIRUS. cANT ACCESS VARUOIS WEBPAGES AND
EVEN THE WAY MY COMPUTER LOOKS WHEN IT IS STARTING UP IS
DIFFERENT!!! yOU WOULD BE WELL WARRNED TO STAY AWAY!!!

Yes, and you should try using a spell checker: surgeon, not "sergian".

Hopefully, Microsoft will include precise instructions with the download, so
as to enable those of us who are not computer experts, (as so many of you
assume to be....)to download and reconfigure as necessary. The major problem
with XP has been Microsofts inability to be upfront, forthright, and honest
with the general public. Detailed installation and detailed information, not
KISS which is their normal routine, need to be available, and if not
available, then FREE support needs to be available.
I don't need Microsoft telling me to get anti-virus software, I need
Microsoft to do their job, and fix their program. Too many sites require
pop-ups to function properly. I work hard and do not have time to reconfigure
programs, sites, etc... to allow that site to operate correctly with XP
because Microsoft developed a poorly written operating system with flaws
thruout. Unfortunaltely they are, realistically, the only operating system
available (Microsoft).

Not everyone who owns a computer is as computer literate as some of you in
this forum appear to be. Look around, and in most forums people are having
some problem with SP2. (Even if it is their inability to accept change).

"Nathan McNulty" wrote:

Perfect Post Mike. Be ready for more exactly like this. People just
don't know how to configure the computer with the new security enhancements.

It is critical for everyone to install this update as it will patch so
many security problems in Windows (including IBK errors). It may take a
little while to learn how to use the new features such as Windows
Firewall and DEP, but hopefully everyone will now learn a little more
about computer security.

Also, if you have any questions about Service Pack 2, I highly recommend
joining the Expert Zone Chat Sessions for Service Pack 2. Check the
schedule here to see if there is one you can make it to:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...s/default.mspx

----
Nathan McNulty


Mike Kolitz wrote:
It does not "bREAK eVERYTHING." You'll probably want to read the Security
section of this page.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../winxpsp2.mspx


NOW MY COMPUTER CAN'T TALK
TO TOHER PC'SANYMORE HERE AT HOME


That's the firewall, but it's only inbound. If the other PCs have firewalls
as well, you'll need to tell them that PCs on the local subnet are trusted
(assuming you trust them...). This is working as intended.


AND IT COMPLAINS ABOUT
FIREWALL ANF ANTIVIRUS.


Yup. That's the security center. Turn your firewall on and install
Antivirus software, and you won't have to worry about it complaining. This
is working as intended.


cANT ACCESS VARUOIS WEBPAGES


I'm guessing that the real problem is that you're getting popups blocked, or
certain ActiveX controls aren't loading by default anymore. This is a
security modification. Look for the information bar at the top of the
screen for more information about what's going on. This is probably working
as inteded.


EVEN THE WAY MY COMPUTER LOOKS WHEN IT IS STARTING
UP IS DIFFERENT!!!


The splash screen during the boot-up process has been changed in SP2. This
is working as intended.


yOU WOULD BE WELL WARRNED TO STAY AWAY!!!


No. No, you wouldn't.

SP-2 does not appear to be your only major diffculty. I suggest you read the
other posts that pretty much cover both the problem and the solution. I am
curious if you did a system back-up, not system restore point prior to your
SP-2 experience?

If reading or spelling is a challenge, have someone help you.

"bud" wrote:


"nAN" wrote in message
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dON'T INSTALL SP2! i HAVEAND NOW MY COMPUTER CAN'T TALK
TO TOHER PC'SANYMORE HERE AT HOME, AND IT COMPLAINS ABOUT
FIREWALL ANF ANTIVIRUS. cANT ACCESS VARUOIS WEBPAGES AND
EVEN THE WAY MY COMPUTER LOOKS WHEN IT IS STARTING UP IS
DIFFERENT!!! yOU WOULD BE WELL WARRNED TO STAY AWAY!!!

What can I say? I installed it and didn't have any problems at all. It even
fixed the red X instead of a picture problem I had. You did make a backup
before you made such a major change, didn't you?

Yeah ok, so you get a bunch of plp that dont know anything about anything,
that come on here and think there all big a mighty and insult everyone and
everything thats living.... Well i thinks it about time for Microsoft to move
in the way of protecting them plp. Now i just installed it on my test machine
and well i love it!!!! I want to send a kudos up to Microsoft in thinking
about the little guy and well with the advances in the world i think this is
excelent.

"""We must protect the little ones who dont know nothing about nothing""""

"nAN" wrote:

dON'T INSTALL SP2! i HAVEAND NOW MY COMPUTER CAN'T TALK
TO TOHER PC'SANYMORE HERE AT HOME, AND IT COMPLAINS ABOUT
FIREWALL ANF ANTIVIRUS. cANT ACCESS VARUOIS WEBPAGES AND
EVEN THE WAY MY COMPUTER LOOKS WHEN IT IS STARTING UP IS
DIFFERENT!!! yOU WOULD BE WELL WARRNED TO STAY AWAY!!!

Machines such as Computers and the Software that runs on them are no
different to other sophisticated devices and require the Owner to take time
to understand them and be able to do certain basic tasks. IT is surprising
to me that these machines have progressed to a point where most people with
a very small effort can operate and maintain their equipment and its
software. If you don't have the time to or inclination to educate yourself
so you can maintain your machine, why do you think anyone here should want
to help you, most of us work hard too?

I wonder if you bothered to learn how to drive an auto, perhaps you didn't,
maybe you use cabs :-), but I doubt it.


"Jax2" wrote in message
...
Hopefully, Microsoft will include precise instructions with the download,
so
as to enable those of us who are not computer experts, (as so many of you
assume to be....)to download and reconfigure as necessary. The major
problem
with XP has been Microsofts inability to be upfront, forthright, and
honest
with the general public. Detailed installation and detailed information,
not
KISS which is their normal routine, need to be available, and if not
available, then FREE support needs to be available.
I don't need Microsoft telling me to get anti-virus software, I need
Microsoft to do their job, and fix their program. Too many sites require
pop-ups to function properly. I work hard and do not have time to
reconfigure
programs, sites, etc... to allow that site to operate correctly with XP
because Microsoft developed a poorly written operating system with flaws
thruout. Unfortunaltely they are, realistically, the only operating system
available (Microsoft).

Not everyone who owns a computer is as computer literate as some of you in
this forum appear to be. Look around, and in most forums people are having
some problem with SP2. (Even if it is their inability to accept change).

"Nathan McNulty" wrote:

Perfect Post Mike. Be ready for more exactly like this. People just
don't know how to configure the computer with the new security
enhancements.

It is critical for everyone to install this update as it will patch so
many security problems in Windows (including IBK errors). It may take a
little while to learn how to use the new features such as Windows
Firewall and DEP, but hopefully everyone will now learn a little more
about computer security.

Also, if you have any questions about Service Pack 2, I highly recommend
joining the Expert Zone Chat Sessions for Service Pack 2. Check the
schedule here to see if there is one you can make it to:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...s/default.mspx

----
Nathan McNulty


Mike Kolitz wrote:
It does not "bREAK eVERYTHING." You'll probably want to read the
Security
section of this page.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../winxpsp2.mspx


NOW MY COMPUTER CAN'T TALK
TO TOHER PC'SANYMORE HERE AT HOME


That's the firewall, but it's only inbound. If the other PCs have
firewalls
as well, you'll need to tell them that PCs on the local subnet are
trusted
(assuming you trust them...). This is working as intended.


AND IT COMPLAINS ABOUT
FIREWALL ANF ANTIVIRUS.


Yup. That's the security center. Turn your firewall on and install
Antivirus software, and you won't have to worry about it complaining.
This
is working as intended.


cANT ACCESS VARUOIS WEBPAGES


I'm guessing that the real problem is that you're getting popups
blocked, or
certain ActiveX controls aren't loading by default anymore. This is a
security modification. Look for the information bar at the top of the
screen for more information about what's going on. This is probably
working
as inteded.


EVEN THE WAY MY COMPUTER LOOKS WHEN IT IS STARTING
UP IS DIFFERENT!!!


The splash screen during the boot-up process has been changed in SP2.
This
is working as intended.


yOU WOULD BE WELL WARRNED TO STAY AWAY!!!


No. No, you wouldn't.

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 06:42:14 +0100, "Edward W. Thompson"
wrote:

Machines such as Computers and the Software that runs on them are no
different to other sophisticated devices and require the Owner to take time
to understand them and be able to do certain basic tasks. IT is surprising
to me that these machines have progressed to a point where most people with
a very small effort can operate and maintain their equipment and its
software. If you don't have the time to or inclination to educate yourself
so you can maintain your machine, why do you think anyone here should want
to help you, most of us work hard too?

I wonder if you bothered to learn how to drive an auto, perhaps you didn't,
maybe you use cabs :-), but I doubt it.

My grandparents don't know how to use a computer. They don't even own
one. Not everyone smart as you. I know a person who needs step by
step instructions to use the computer. However, once this person
learn how- this person no longer needs help


Jax2, if you can read other post in this group
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
It will tell where you can download it and how to use automatic update


On my website I have some installation instructions.


Greg R

"Jax2" wrote in message
...
Hopefully, Microsoft will include precise instructions with the download,
so
as to enable those of us who are not computer experts, (as so many of you
assume to be....)to download and reconfigure as necessary. The major
problem
with XP has been Microsofts inability to be upfront, forthright, and
honest
with the general public. Detailed installation and detailed information,
not
KISS which is their normal routine, need to be available, and if not
available, then FREE support needs to be available.
I don't need Microsoft telling me to get anti-virus software, I need
Microsoft to do their job, and fix their program. Too many sites require
pop-ups to function properly. I work hard and do not have time to
reconfigure
programs, sites, etc... to allow that site to operate correctly with XP
because Microsoft developed a poorly written operating system with flaws
thruout. Unfortunaltely they are, realistically, the only operating system
available (Microsoft).

Not everyone who owns a computer is as computer literate as some of you in
this forum appear to be. Look around, and in most forums people are having
some problem with SP2. (Even if it is their inability to accept change).

"Nathan McNulty" wrote:

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http://www.angelfire.com/in4/computertips/

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:27:02 -0700, "Jax2"

Too many sites require pop-ups to function properly. I work hard
and do not have time to reconfigure programs, sites, etc... to
allow that site to operate correctly with XP

Look at the big picture, and rephrase your first line as "too many
sites rely on features that are too dangerous to be left open".

Sure, this is the result of imprudent design decisions of the past;
not just MS, but the industry as a whole. MS and IE were competing,
and a way of attracting site lock-in ("Best viewed with IE") was to
offer web site developers features that would let them run roughshod
all over the visitor's system.

Then when the DoJ case looked as if it was going to demand ripping IE
out of Windows, the defense was "it's not a stand-alone bundled app,
it's part of Windows". So even as IE 5 was cut loose from IE 4's
"Desktop Integration", OS and IE were mingled in Win98.

So now it's even easier for HTML to rip into the OS, and harder to rip
MS's HTML parsing out of the OS.

By now, commercial malware is ripping into the OS through IE to such
an extent that there's a groundswell of users choosing Mozilla,
Netscape etc. because they offer *less* functionality - i.e. they
don't offer the same opportunities to scumbags who want to integrate
into the browser as a BHO, or auto-install junk, etc.

So SP2 aims to stuff Pandora back in the box, and it's not easy,
because by now Pandora's bloated on the fat of the land.

So yes, SP2 is going to stuff up sites that demand the right to crawl
all over you. Such sites can lose trade from users like yourself who
don't care to expend the effort needed to give them what they demand,
and hopefully these wretched sites will die out - and good riddance!

We might just end up with a cleaner 'net that respects visitor's
rights better, just as if the whole IE4 nightmare had never happened.

But to get there from here, we WILL have to go through some pain, such
as apps and sites written for last year's hunting season that now have
to go "vegitarian" in this new age of enlightenment cough

because Microsoft developed a poorly written operating system with flaws

SP2 is part of the painful U-turn on those flaws. It's ungainly to
watch, but I for one prefer to see MS headed in the right direction.



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OK, here is a dumb question! What is a "Prescott's"


Bob Eyster



"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
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Both were on Prescotts, with the caches enabled. What revision number is
the mobo you are using? If it is an early revision, it may have issues
with Prescotts.

Bobby

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:56:26 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"

I have installed SP2 on two....an 865 based laptop and an 875 based
desktop.... Both installations went seamlessly and the machines have
thus far exhibited no issues.

What processors?

Have you made sure that you have the latest BIOS and chipset drivers for
your mobo?

Yes; the mobo had a July 2004 BIOS update to handle Prescott. Before
that, it worked, other than exiting CMOS after saving changes would
save changes and then lock up.

There are no newer BIOS updates for the mobo; I checked today, in case
there was a "use this for SP2" update.

Then again, consider; an OS is supposed to work on the hardware as the
hardware is. Once the hardware has to have special changes for the
benefit of one particular OS, it's rolling down a slippery slope from
being an OS-agnostic platform to a Windows-only toy.

After about 4-5 hours, I've got my PC back to life. It took that long
to run XP and uninstall SP2, once L1 and L2 cache were disabled.
Disabling these caches was the only way to get back in.



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"Prescott" is the latest (3rd) internal core design of Intel Pentium 4
processors [the 1st was Willamette, the 2nd, still being sold, was
Northwood]. Prescott is relatively new, and is most easily evidenced by
an 800 MHz front side bus (but some 800 MHz FSB processors are Northwoods).

There is a problem with SP2 and some motherboards that have Prescott
processors installed on them. The problem isn't actually SP2 per se, or
Prescott CPUs either, but that the BIOS' on the motherboards in question
have an old version of the Intel Pentium 4 microcode. Intel had
released fixed microcode some time (months) ago. But both because not
all motherboard makers put out new BIOS', and/or because not all
computer owners keep the latest BIOS version installed on their
computers, there are, in fact, a lot of people having problems with the
combination of SP2 and Prescott processors.

The fix is go into the BIOS setup program and disable all cache memory
on the CPU chip, which will allow the system to boot and run (slowly).
Then boot up, download the latest BIOS, install it, turn cache memory
back on and reboot. An obvious requirement here is that the motherboard
maker has released a BIOS for the motherboard in question that contains
the SP2 compatible version of the Pentium 4 microcode. This will
generally be the case, but there may be cases in which it's not.


Bob Eyster wrote:

OK, here is a dumb question! What is a "Prescott's"


Bob Eyster



"NoNoBadDog!" mypants_bjsledgeATpixi.com wrote in message
...

Both were on Prescotts, with the caches enabled. What revision number is
the mobo you are using? If it is an early revision, it may have issues
with Prescotts.

Bobby

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:56:26 -1000, "NoNoBadDog!"


I have installed SP2 on two....an 865 based laptop and an 875 based
desktop.... Both installations went seamlessly and the machines have
thus far exhibited no issues.

What processors?


Have you made sure that you have the latest BIOS and chipset drivers for
your mobo?

Yes; the mobo had a July 2004 BIOS update to handle Prescott. Before
that, it worked, other than exiting CMOS after saving changes would
save changes and then lock up.

There are no newer BIOS updates for the mobo; I checked today, in case
there was a "use this for SP2" update.

Then again, consider; an OS is supposed to work on the hardware as the
hardware is. Once the hardware has to have special changes for the
benefit of one particular OS, it's rolling down a slippery slope from
being an OS-agnostic platform to a Windows-only toy.

After about 4-5 hours, I've got my PC back to life. It took that long
to run XP and uninstall SP2, once L1 and L2 cache were disabled.
Disabling these caches was the only way to get back in.




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Our senses are our UI to reality

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"Bob Eyster" wrote in message
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OK, here is a dumb question! What is a "Prescott's"


Bob Eyster

Look he http://cquirke.mvps.org/sp2intel.htm

To find out what a Prescott processor is, what the problem is,
and what to do about it.

Dick Kistler