sp2..... WHY?

"Jone Doe" wrote in message

"SP2.MICKY.TAKE" wrote in
message ...
Do you not want any help on any issues you were having? Lots of
knowledgeable folks here that can probably help you.
If your just here to critisize, your wizzin in the wind. You might
want to
consider contacting MS with your complaints

So far no replies from MS

What does "wizzin in the wind" mean?

A nicer way to put it would be "spitting in the wind"



My favorite way to put it is: Don't **** into the wind and then tell me it's
raining.

"Jone Doe" wrote:

Interesting you are changing the percentages. I don't suppose you have a
source for your 60% claim. The actual percentages are 90% with absolutely
no problems, 10% with issues, that's providing you take "Hey, it doesn't say
say home (or Pro) anymore" as an issue. Probably 90% of the 10% with an
issue it's a simple fix, for the other 1% it's usually a computer that is
not compatible with the system, IBM systems seem to be having the biggest
problem.


I would be curious to learn what your sources are? Even so, a 10% fail rate
is huge, in my own profession that sort of performance gets you the sack!

"Al Smith" wrote in message
...
Nochastising, just a simple and accurate statement. If your machine was
clear of viruses and other nasties, and you had followed the suggestions
before downloading which are listed plainly on the windows update page,
you would have joined the vast majority of users now enjoying a much
better operating system under SP2.

Oh sure, criticize this poor sap because he did what Microsoft said he
should do, tried to upgrade with SP2, and screwed his system in the
process. Add insult to injury. I don't blame him for being ****ed off.
Maybe Microsoft should put this disclaimer in the EULA:

"Warning! If you attempt to install SP2 and you encounter difficulties, it
is ALL YOUR OWN FAULT. That's right, you are responsible for the failure
of your system to boot. You are responsible for the blue screens. You are
responsible for the slowness of your system. Because SP2 always works,
when installed *properly* -- a proper install is defined as any install
that does not result in problems."

Not a criticism either. A statement of fact. If you have been in this
newsgroup more than a day, you have seen the postings, "Something was wrong
with my system, so I instlled SP2 to fix it...."

SP2 is an upgrade to an operating system that will work well in almost all
XP platforms providing there are no viruses or trojans in the machine, and
that it is upgraded where it should be. Even in the worst case scenerio,
where you have to start over, you *do* have all your critical data backed
up, don't you?


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"Al Smith" wrote in message
news
I say why, because after all of the hype about security etc. I was
worried sick about all sorts of people trying to hack into my
machine, I could'nt even sleep at night. I had to install sp2, only
having to uninstall it as I could only boot into safe mode and
restore would not function. I downloaded this product that was
supposed to make my computer more secure, better to use, allow me to
rest easy, enrich my online experience. Instead, I wound up with a
machine that didn't work at all. Complete security, even I could not
get into it.

I told you so, but did you listen? Noooo. SP2 is a roll of the
dice. It works fine for maybe 60% of the people who install it.
The other four out of ten have problems. Around two out of ten
have major problems. Do you want to gamble with your data?

Sure, the odds are pretty good, when compared with Vegas, but if
you win, you get nothing, since your computer was running well
before you tried to upgrade to SP2. Even if you are successful,
your computer will still only be running well. That's best case
scenario.

Please post your extensive test data for your claim.
If you have regular backups, like every computer users should, then you
aren't gambling with your data at all. It should always be backed up. If you
don't backup your data then you're not using the tool(computer) correctly.
If you can't use it correctly then live with the consequences if you do lose
your data.
Also after installing sp2 you say you get nothing. If you truely believe
that then you know absolutely nothing about service packs and even less
about computers.

"SP2.MICKY.TAKE" wrote in message
news


"Jone Doe" wrote:

Interesting you are changing the percentages. I don't suppose you have a
source for your 60% claim. The actual percentages are 90% with
absolutely
no problems, 10% with issues, that's providing you take "Hey, it doesn't
say
say home (or Pro) anymore" as an issue. Probably 90% of the 10% with an
issue it's a simple fix, for the other 1% it's usually a computer that is
not compatible with the system, IBM systems seem to be having the biggest
problem.


I would be curious to learn what your sources are? Even so, a 10% fail
rate
is huge, in my own profession that sort of performance gets you the sack!

Nope, I asked first.


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Al Smith wrote:
Nochastising, just a simple and accurate statement. If your machine
was clear of viruses and other nasties, and you had followed the
suggestions before downloading which are listed plainly on the
windows update page, you would have joined the vast majority of
users now enjoying a much better operating system under SP2.

Oh sure, criticize this poor sap because he did what Microsoft
said he should do, tried to upgrade with SP2, and screwed his
system in the process. Add insult to injury. I don't blame him for
being ****ed off. Maybe Microsoft should put this disclaimer in
the EULA:

"Warning! If you attempt to install SP2 and you encounter
difficulties, it is ALL YOUR OWN FAULT. That's right, you are
responsible for the failure of your system to boot. You are
responsible for the blue screens. You are responsible for the
slowness of your system. Because SP2 always works, when installed
*properly* -- a proper install is defined as any install that does
not result in problems."

I don't seen anyone criticizing him.

I think if he wanted to just come here and complain, then it's a waste of
his time. He should compain directly to MS.
I also think, someone could probably help him, if he desired.


--
Don Burnette

Al;
"it is ALL YOUR OWN FAULT"
I see statements like yours on these newsgroup quite often.
The funny thing is it is almost always someone such as you quoting the
unknown and rarely someone posting actual advice.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Al Smith" wrote in message
news:EVybd.147947$Np3.6377763@ursa- Oh sure, criticize this poor sap
because he did what Microsoft
said he should do, tried to upgrade with SP2, and screwed his system
in the process. Add insult to injury. I don't blame him for being
****ed off. Maybe Microsoft should put this disclaimer in the EULA:

"Warning! If you attempt to install SP2 and you encounter
difficulties, it is ALL YOUR OWN FAULT. That's right, you are
responsible for the failure of your system to boot. You are
responsible for the blue screens. You are responsible for the
slowness of your system. Because SP2 always works, when installed
*properly* -- a proper install is defined as any install that does
not result in problems."

Al;
As long as you consider SP-2 or any upgrade "a roll of the dice.", you
are depending on luck instead of preparation.
As long as you depend on mythical luck, you are almost certain to
fail.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Al Smith" wrote in message
newsOybd.147942$Np3.6377667@ursa- I told you so, but did you
listen? Noooo. SP2 is a roll of the
dice. It works fine for maybe 60% of the people who install it. The
other four out of ten have problems. Around two out of ten have
major problems. Do you want to gamble with your data?

Sure, the odds are pretty good, when compared with Vegas, but if you
win, you get nothing, since your computer was running well before
you tried to upgrade to SP2. Even if you are successful, your
computer will still only be running well. That's best case scenario.

You just changed what she said.
She said "10% with issues"
You changed it to "10% fail rate"
They are not the same at all.

Most issues are quickly resolved after making appropriate changes such
as changing the Security Center to no monitor an older anti virus that
does not have the appropriate updates to be recognized by the Security
Center.

Many of those 10% are expected and could be easily known in advance if
research is done.
Even if research is not done, most are still easily fixed with simple
reconfigurations, updated drivers or patches from the software
manufacturer.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"SP2.MICKY.TAKE" wrote in
message news


"Jone Doe" wrote:

Interesting you are changing the percentages. I don't suppose you
have a
source for your 60% claim. The actual percentages are 90% with
absolutely
no problems, 10% with issues, that's providing you take "Hey, it
doesn't say
say home (or Pro) anymore" as an issue. Probably 90% of the 10%
with an
issue it's a simple fix, for the other 1% it's usually a computer
that is
not compatible with the system, IBM systems seem to be having the
biggest
problem.


I would be curious to learn what your sources are? Even so, a 10%
fail rate
is huge, in my own profession that sort of performance gets you the
sack!

Did you verify SP-2 compatibility with your hardware and software?
Did you prepare the computer by performing steps such as those in the
Service Pack Installation Checklist:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"SP2.MICKY.TAKE" wrote in
message ...
I say why, because after all of the hype about security etc. I was
worried
sick about all sorts of people trying to hack into my machine, I
could'nt
even sleep at night. I had to install sp2, only having to uninstall
it as I
could only boot into safe mode and restore would not function. I
downloaded
this product that was supposed to make my computer more secure,
better to
use, allow me to rest easy, enrich my online experience. Instead, I
wound up
with a machine that didn't work at all. Complete security, even I
could not
get into it. I would have gladly paid some hacker heaps of money to
access my
machine. I can now almost hear the roar from the experts "How dare
you
criticise the mighty MS "Look in the help pages" "Don't post your
whinings
here dear boy". Well I did look at the help pages, and why can't I
post here
about my whinging, free speech for some maybe? Lets take a reality
check
here, many computer users are like me. One lonely desktop at home
with one
internet connection, it has a firewall and quality virus software to
boot. So
why do I need sp2? it seems like having heart bypass surgery to cure
the
common cold. I have managed so far without my computer being raided
by
hackers. Giving service pack 2 away free on the front of computer
mags is
like leaving sharp objects around in front of the children. Can I
suggest
putting something more useful on the front of the mags, like a blank
recordable CD (better still a DVD). If the industry were to do this,
then I
won't lay awake all night worring about if I have the latest update,
I can
get on with my life and the computer can get on with it's work.

Cheers

-----Original Message-----
So far no replies from MS

What does "wizzin in the wind" mean?

You just answered another one of your own questions.
Even if Microsoft were inclined to reply, they'd have as
much trouble as the rest of us in determining exactly
what your question was. Your original post seems to
consist of an attempt at humor and a question, which you
have already answered to your own satisfaction.

Want to post your source for 4 out of 10 having problems, or apologize for
posting it?

I was tempted to say half the people who install SR2 have
problems, but I thought I'd give Microsoft the benefit of the
doubt. There's no way to know how many who install SP2 have
problems with certainty, since most don't bother to report them
here. Then you get into the whole question of what constitutes a
problem, and what constitutes a serious problem. There's nothing
more futile than trying to play the "my statistics are better than
your statistics" game, and no one more pathetic than those who try
to play it -- at least, 87% of the time. What we can be sure of is
that many, many, many people who try to install SP2 are very sorry
they tried.

Also after installing sp2 you say you get nothing. If you truely believe
that then you know absolutely nothing about service packs and even less
about computers.

So what do you get if it works, that anyone really needs? The
security fixes can be installed separately. I grant you, they are
necessary for the average user, who is determined to surf the Net
with ActiveX and all the other MS crap turned on and running, but
what else is there that is so essential, we must have it?

I see statements like yours on these newsgroup quite often.
The funny thing is it is almost always someone such as you quoting the
unknown and rarely someone posting actual advice.

-- Jupiter Jones [MVP]

I help when I can, Jup, but I'm not an MVP, just a Windows XP user
who's here to learn the ins and outs of the OS. Every now and then
I make a post. It bugs me that people get stomped on in here when
they complain that SP2 screwed up their system, or that they can't
get product activation to let them use their own computer. Sure,
they'd be unlikely to suffer these problems if they had your
extensive knowledge of Windows, but most people don't have that.

So you agree "it is ALL YOUR OWN FAULT" is rarely if ever said here.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Al Smith" wrote in message
...
I see statements like yours on these newsgroup quite often.
The funny thing is it is almost always someone such as you quoting
the unknown and rarely someone posting actual advice.

-- Jupiter Jones [MVP]

I help when I can, Jup, but I'm not an MVP, just a Windows XP user
who's here to learn the ins and outs of the OS. Every now and then I
make a post. It bugs me that people get stomped on in here when they
complain that SP2 screwed up their system, or that they can't get
product activation to let them use their own computer. Sure, they'd
be unlikely to suffer these problems if they had your extensive
knowledge of Windows, but most people don't have that.