[OT] Planet of the Humans

A new documentary film about all the bad things we humans are doing!

https://planetofthehumans.com

You'll certainly find something to think about if you watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

(1 hour and 40 minutes)

7,672,597 views•21 Apr 2020

Michael Moore
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Michael Moore presents Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to
say what no one else will this Earth Day — that we are losing the battle
to stop climate change on planet earth because we are following leaders
who have taken us down the wrong road — selling out the green movement
to wealthy interests and corporate America. This film is the wake-up
call to the reality we are afraid to face: that in the midst of a
human-caused extinction event, the environmental movement’s answer is to
push for techno-fixes and band-aids. It's too little, too late.

On 2020-05-13, David_B wrote:
Michael Moore

You lost me at Michael Moore. Moore was at his peak level best in the
2004 movie "Team America: World Police."

You can no more stop the natural phenomenon of climate change than you
can stop the sun from rising in the east and setting in the west.

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On 14/05/2020 01:29, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-05-13, David_B wrote:

A new documentary film about all the bad things we humans are doing!

https://planetofthehumans.com

You'll certainly find something to think about if you watch this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

You lost me at Michael Moore. Moore was at his peak level best in the
2004 movie "Team America: World Police."

I'd be interested in hearing your views AFTER you have watched the
documentary.

You can no more stop the natural phenomenon of climate change than you
can stop the sun from rising in the east and setting in the west.

Agreed! :-)

On 5/13/2020 11:38 AM, David_B wrote:
A new documentary film about all the bad things we humans are doing!
By the way, I'd like to get sodomized by a mountain gorilla.

https://planetoftheapes.com

Hear an angel sing instead! :-D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9PQ7qPkluM


Enjoy, once more, the beautiful sound - and view the glorious setting
before social distancing. 😎

On 16/05/2020 22:22, David_B wrote:
On 14/05/2020 01:29, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-05-13, David_B wrote:

A new documentary film about all the bad things we humans are doing!

https://planetofthehumans.com

You'll certainly find something to think about if you watch this!

Unfortunately, most of those things are either deliberately misleading,
10-years-out-of-date, or just blatant lies.

https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/michael-moore-presents-planet-of-the-humans/

"Calum" wrote

| Unfortunately, most of those things are either deliberately misleading,
| 10-years-out-of-date, or just blatant lies.
|
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https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/michael-moore-presents-planet-of-the-humans/

That's one of the more level-headed reviews I've read, but it
doesn't actually say what you're saying. It says Moore is
making many good points but that some of it is misleading.

Most of the reviews I've seen are from rabid "progressives"
who see only two sides of the issue, polarized against each
other. Moore is trying to point out that exactly that
oversimplification is the problem.

One of the first reviews I came across was at Vox.com

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/28/212385...climate-change

"Early in the film, Gibbs goes to see an electric vehicle demonstration. He
concludes they are dirty because they probably run on coal."

But that's not at all what the film said. It's not even a
misinterpretation. It's just a foolish lie. They asked her
where the electricity came from. It turned out it was
coming from the building behind them and that the building's
power was generated by coal. The point was not that
e-vehicles run on coal but that electric vehicles need to
be looked at more critically. It's not a magic pill. If the
electricity is generated from a coal plant then it's not
a solution. and of course the e-car saleswoman was trying
to sell it as a solution. People don't think. Buying an e-SUV
to cart your kids around to appointments is not a "solution".

A link from one of these rabid reviews actually made the
case that research does show e-cars are a mixed blessing:

https://theicct.org/sites/default/fi...9022018_vF.pdf

It shows that the carbon footprint of an electric
vehicle is actually significantly increased by the
the environmental costs of the battery. So if you
have electricity generated by coal, stored in such
a battery, it becomes an exercise in absurdity. That's
not a case against electric cars. It's a case against
magical thinking and overconfidence in high-tech.

I see the same thing repeated over and over. House
insulation, insulated windows, solar panels... They all
have good uses, but they're not always an improvement
in either cost or environmental aspects. A few years
ago the energy conservation people were passing out
fluorescent lightbulbs to save energy. They save a little.
Turning off unused lights would save a lot more. And now,
as a contractor, I repeatedly see boxes full of those bulbs
in peoples' cellars. And they contain mercury. So it's
a massive environmental problem. But no one thought
of that when they were handing out the bulbs.

The wood pulp story in Moore's movie was a shock to
me. So idiotic! McKibben now agrees that it's a bad idea,
but he apparently supported it for a long time.

So if you learn nothing else from Moore's movie, it's
enough to learn just that one thing: That it's more
complex than black/white, conservative/liberal. And as
long as we expect nuts like Elon Musk to invent our
way out of the problem then we're not being honest
with ourselves... and that only helps the people who
want to portray environmentalists as kooks.

On Sun, 17 May 2020 15:41:03 +0100, Calum
wrote:

On 16/05/2020 22:22, David_B wrote:
On 14/05/2020 01:29, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2020-05-13, David_B wrote:

A new documentary film about all the bad things we humans are doing!

https://planetofthehumans.com

You'll certainly find something to think about if you watch this!

Unfortunately, most of those things are either deliberately misleading,
10-years-out-of-date, or just blatant lies.

https://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/michael-moore-presents-planet-of-the-humans/

So things change as time passes.

Get used to it.

The points made in the film remain valid.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens