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Juan Wei typed:
BillW50 has written on 2/28/2014 5:03 PM:

I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield
isn't installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds
freezes whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic
get messages and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

Perhaps you are pulling messages from a large number of accounts
simultaneously???

Same five IMAP, one POP3, and one newsgroup server that OE6, and WLM
2009 pull in. But they don't freeze up.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

In message , BillW50
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I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield isn't
installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds freezes
whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get messages
and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

Not that I or my supportees have this problem at the moment, but for
future reference: does it do the same if you _manually_ tell it to
fetch? (If so, how are you getting any email at all - stopping and
restarting TB? [I assume we're talking about email not usenet
messages.])
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Electricians do it 'till it Hz.

Yousuf Khan wrote:

I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of us
experience, but not others. It may have something to do with antivirus
scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from being scanned
in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually %appdata%\Thunderbird,
inside your antivirus software.

I've turned disabled MSE for my TB folder, it'll take me a few weeks to
decide if it's made a difference ...

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In message , BillW50
writes:
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I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield
isn't installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds
freezes whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get
messages and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

Not that I or my supportees have this problem at the moment, but for
future reference: does it do the same if you _manually_ tell it to
fetch?

Yes, but it doesn't seem quite as bad.

(If so, how are you getting any email at all - stopping and restarting
TB?

While I do still have it fetch on startup (and yes it freezes up then
too), that should be all it gets unless you manually fetch them again.
Although you can do it server by server so it isn't as bad as getting
everything at one time.

[I assume we're talking about email not usenet messages.])

Yes both email and newsgroups. Although I believe it doesn't matter. I
think the more servers it checks, the worse the problem becomes. I tried
not fetching one or another and the problem is still there, just not as
bad.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

On 28/02/2014 5:03 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Yousuf Khan typed:
BTW, I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of
us experience, but not others. It may have something to do with
antivirus scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from
being scanned in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually
%appdata%\Thunderbird, inside your antivirus software.

I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield isn't
installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds freezes
whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get messages
and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

I used Resource Monitor to watch what processes were using what, and
during the freezes, I found that Microsoft Security Essentials was
reading heavily from the Thunderbird database files. I've since excluded
the whole Thunderbird folder from MSE, and have not experienced a freeze
since. That's one antivirus program that it worked with, it may work
with others too.

Yousuf Khan

On 28/02/2014 5:11 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
Would it affect Firefox as well?

It might, you could try excluding the Firefox profile folder too.

Another thing to do with Firefox is to simply minimize the size of its
cache. The smaller the cache, the less the antivirus has to scan through
it. I keep mine locked at 75MB, that should be more than sufficient to
keep Firefox fast with modern high-speed Internet connections. It might
have made sense to have huge local caches when we were on dial-up, but
now it's almost imperceptible.

Yousuf Khan

On 3/1/2014 9:23 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 28/02/2014 5:03 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Yousuf Khan typed:
BTW, I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of
us experience, but not others. It may have something to do with
antivirus scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from
being scanned in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually
%appdata%\Thunderbird, inside your antivirus software.

I was asked to find the caused of this problem and my mail shield isn't
installed. And using process monitors and logs, Thunderbirds freezes
whenever it picks up messages here. I turned off automatic get messages
and Thunderbird no longer freezes at all for me.

I used Resource Monitor to watch what processes were using what, and
during the freezes, I found that Microsoft Security Essentials was
reading heavily from the Thunderbird database files. I've since excluded
the whole Thunderbird folder from MSE, and have not experienced a freeze
since. That's one antivirus program that it worked with, it may work
with others too.

That is very good to know Yousuf. Thanks much!

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

Andy Burns wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote:

I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of us
experience, but not others. It may have something to do with antivirus
scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from being scanned
in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually %appdata%\Thunderbird,
inside your antivirus software.

I've turned disabled MSE for my TB folder, it'll take me a few weeks to
decide if it's made a difference ...

So far, I think it has improved it, yesterday I notice that TB had gone
into "not responding" mode for quite a long time, but when I checked
with Task Manager, the system (mainly FF+TB together) was eating over
3.3GB, so restarting FF brought it back to normal - I'm afraid I have
several hundred tabs open :-(

On 14/03/2014 1:43 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
So far, I think it has improved it, yesterday I notice that TB had gone
into "not responding" mode for quite a long time, but when I checked
with Task Manager, the system (mainly FF+TB together) was eating over
3.3GB, so restarting FF brought it back to normal - I'm afraid I have
several hundred tabs open :-(

Yeah, I pretty much can notice a difference side-bi-side because I
implemented the solution inside my desktop, but not on my laptop. After
also implementing the solution on the laptop, the laptop's performance
has increased too.

Yousuf Khan

Andy Burns wrote:

- I'm afraid I have several hundred tabs open :-(

Statements such as that always puzzle me. Why? It cannot be easy to pore
through "several hundred tabs" looking for the one or few that you really
need. No wonder the computer is "not responding."

If you are working on a massive research project, then .. well .. good
luck! :-)

--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I'm afraid I have several hundred tabs open :-(

Statements such as that always puzzle me. Why?

Because I'm lazy and tabs are the new bookmarks.

It cannot be easy to pore through "several hundred tabs" looking for
the one or few that you really need.

It isn't, but did I mention I'm lazy?

No wonder the computer is "not responding."

If I wanted FF to not do the "not responding" thing, I think removing
flash would be an easier win.

On 3/14/2014 1:43 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote:

I might have a solution to the Thunderbird freezes that some of us
experience, but not others. It may have something to do with antivirus
scanning. I'd suggest excluding the entire directory from being scanned
in which Thunderbird's databases exists, usually %appdata%\Thunderbird,
inside your antivirus software.

I've turned disabled MSE for my TB folder, it'll take me a few weeks to
decide if it's made a difference ...

So far, I think it has improved it, yesterday I notice that TB had gone
into "not responding" mode for quite a long time, but when I checked
with Task Manager, the system (mainly FF+TB together) was eating over
3.3GB, so restarting FF brought it back to normal - I'm afraid I have
several hundred tabs open :-(


Dumb question:

What is the advantage of having several hundred tabs open, over having
several hundred book marks arranged on the bookmark toolbar, arranged in
folders so you can open a group of URL by opening the folder.

I arrange several bookmarks in a folder and place it on the bookmark
toolbar. as an example the folder may contain several newspaper URL
that I read regularly. Opening the folder with center mouse click or
right click, "Open in tab" opens each newspaper in its own tab.

On 14/03/2014 12:11, Keith Nuttle wrote:

Dumb question:

What is the advantage of having several hundred tabs open, over having


I think he mentioned about two hours ago before your post that he is
lazy to close them. Perhaps he should reconfigure his FF so that all
new windows open in the same window!

He can do this by going to:

Tools Options Tabs

Uncheck the first item that says:

"Open new windows in a new tab instead"

Andy Burns wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
I'm afraid I have several hundred tabs open :-(

Statements such as that always puzzle me. Why?

Because I'm lazy and tabs are the new bookmarks.

There is a practical limit to "lazy" and I do believe you have exceeded
this limit. Tabs are not bookmarks. How do you ever find what you're
looking for in row upon row of tiny tabs?

It cannot be easy to pore through "several hundred tabs" looking for
the one or few that you really need.

It isn't, but did I mention I'm lazy?

Yes, you did.

No wonder the computer is "not responding."

If I wanted FF to not do the "not responding" thing, I think removing
flash would be an easier win.

I doubt that -- a lot. What if 30 or 40 of your tabs all begin to download
huge images? "Not responding" is what happens.

--
-bts
-This space for rent, but the price is high

On 3/14/2014, Beauregard T. Shagnasty posted:
There is a practical limit to "lazy" and I do believe you have
exceeded
this limit. Tabs are not bookmarks. How do you ever find what you're
looking for in row upon row of tiny tabs?

He uses the button that displays a screen of thumbnails.

Then all he has to do is scroll through, oh, maybe a dozen or two
screenfuls of thumbnails.

Is the humor sufficiently evident to allow me to omit a smiley?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)