UEFI And Macrium Reflect vs Acroins

Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC using UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis

I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8 machine UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?

Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin +
install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.


Thanks




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On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:26:18 -0600, wrote:

Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC using UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis

I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8 machine UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?

Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin +
install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.

Thanks

Macrium Reflect has a free edition (which might be hard to find on the
site, but it did exist only a couple of weeks ago).

So you could try it and see if it works on your system before committing
to the paid version.

Other than that, wait for a post from someone who already knows the
answer.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

wrote on 12/21/2014 12:26 PM:
Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC using UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis

I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8 machine UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?

Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin +
install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.


Thanks




I have 4 versions of Acronis, and all of them, some boxed retail, some download, but if you have a CD Key you can
register it at Acronis.com and they let you download all the ISO's you want. ISO for the install which can also be
used for booting, or you can make a recovery CD once installed. You might be able to make a recovery from the CD
without install, but why?, the install CD will boot and do recovery.
Not sure about Macrium just used it one day, and did no recovery.

Big_Al wrote on 12/21/2014 6:10 PM:
wrote on 12/21/2014 12:26 PM:
Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC using UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis

I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8 machine UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?

Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin +
install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.


Thanks




I have 4 versions of Acronis, and all of them, some boxed retail, some download, but if you have a CD Key you can
register it at Acronis.com and they let you download all the ISO's you want. ISO for the install which can also be
used for booting, or you can make a recovery CD once installed. You might be able to make a recovery from the CD
without install, but why?, the install CD will boot and do recovery.
Not sure about Macrium just used it one day, and did no recovery.

I should say, I have Acronis True Image Home, currently V14. I know they have other products.

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in
:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 11:26:18 -0600, wrote:

Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC
using UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis

I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8
machine UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?

Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE
recover ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download
a plugin + install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.

Thanks

Macrium Reflect has a free edition (which might be hard to find on the
site, but it did exist only a couple of weeks ago).

So you could try it and see if it works on your system before
committing to the paid version.

Other than that, wait for a post from someone who already knows the
answer.


I downloaded the free version of Macrium Reflect for a specific reason.

I created the CD which supporte UEFI. In the process of creating this CD
files are downloade which I presume is or Win PE iso.

I am using this CD for one purpose only. After cloning with "Drive
clone" if the disk is not bootable Macrium Reflect makes it bootable in a
very nice way.

i am disappointed with Acrois products for this simple task. I use
ACRONIS TRUE Image for all my imaging needs.

"Drive Clone" will clone partition which I needed badly as most other
programs clone the entired hard disk.

HS

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it.)

In message ,
writes
Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover
ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin
+ install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.

I have used Macrium free version a great deal, sometimes using the Linux
recovery CD, more recently the Windows PE. It has always worked well and
has cost nothing.

I haven't had anything with UEFI rather than a bios, but am now
extremely interested in any answers since I've been fiddling with the
Windows 8.1 tablet with EFI. I've not yet discovered how to get into any
bios-like settings.

Macrium does have some support FAQ's on their site that refer to UEFI.

I think you have to be extra careful that you are really accessing the
right site, as a search for Reflect seems to bring up hits for other
sites eg ones for Macrium Reflex. Being a coward, I've never looked at
what they contain.
--
Bill

On 21/12/2014 23:12:17, Big_Al wrote:
Big_Al wrote on 12/21/2014 6:10 PM:
wrote on 12/21/2014 12:26 PM:
Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC using
UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis

I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8 machine
UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?

Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover ISO
very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin +
install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.

Thanks

I have 4 versions of Acronis, and all of them, some boxed retail, some
download, but if you have a CD Key you can register it at Acronis.com and
they let you download all the ISO's you want. ISO for the install which
can also be used for booting, or you can make a recovery CD once installed.
You might be able to make a recovery from the CD without install, but why?,
the install CD will boot and do recovery. Not sure about Macrium just used
it one day, and did no recovery.

I should say, I have Acronis True Image Home, currently V14. I know they
have other products.

If you want to do a recovery CD which works for certain Win 8 64bit
machines you may have to purchase the Premium edition like I did. The
normal Acronis True Image Home just would not detect the hard drive
after making the recovery CD. Fourteen emails backwards and forwards
to Acronis support could not resolve the problem (February this year).
There is also a lot of info about it if you search:
acronis boot disk cannot find hard drive

--
mick

mick wrote on 12/21/2014 8:24 PM:
On 21/12/2014 23:12:17, Big_Al wrote:
Big_Al wrote on 12/21/2014 6:10 PM:
wrote on 12/21/2014 12:26 PM:
Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC using
UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis

I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8 machine
UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?

Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover ISO
very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin +
install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.

Thanks

I have 4 versions of Acronis, and all of them, some boxed retail, some
download, but if you have a CD Key you can register it at Acronis.com and
they let you download all the ISO's you want. ISO for the install which
can also be used for booting, or you can make a recovery CD once installed.
You might be able to make a recovery from the CD without install, but why?,
the install CD will boot and do recovery. Not sure about Macrium just used
it one day, and did no recovery.

I should say, I have Acronis True Image Home, currently V14. I know they
have other products.

If you want to do a recovery CD which works for certain Win 8 64bit
machines you may have to purchase the Premium edition like I did. The
normal Acronis True Image Home just would not detect the hard drive
after making the recovery CD. Fourteen emails backwards and forwards
to Acronis support could not resolve the problem (February this year).
There is also a lot of info about it if you search:
acronis boot disk cannot find hard drive

Now that you say it, I did try to clone my win8.1 laptop HD to a new SSD about a month ago. When I tried, Acronis said
there were problems with one of the devices (can't remember right now, I think the SSD). There wasn't but it said so.
I loaded Macruium Reflect Free and made a boot disk and did the mirror with it. Worked like a champ. I don't have
UEFI so I can't shed anything on that issue.

Bill wrote on 12/21/2014 8:02 PM:
In message ,
writes
Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE recover
ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and download a plugin
+ install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.

I have used Macrium free version a great deal, sometimes using the Linux
recovery CD, more recently the Windows PE. It has always worked well and
has cost nothing.

I haven't had anything with UEFI rather than a bios, but am now
extremely interested in any answers since I've been fiddling with the
Windows 8.1 tablet with EFI. I've not yet discovered how to get into any
bios-like settings.

Macrium does have some support FAQ's on their site that refer to UEFI.

I think you have to be extra careful that you are really accessing the
right site, as a search for Reflect seems to bring up hits for other
sites eg ones for Macrium Reflex. Being a coward, I've never looked at
what they contain.

Look like this?
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

"Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ...

Now that you say it, I did try to clone my win8.1 laptop HD to a new SSD about
a month ago. When I tried, Acronis said
there were problems with one of the devices (can't remember right now, I think
the SSD). There wasn't but it said so.
I loaded Macruium Reflect Free and made a boot disk and did the mirror with it.
Worked like a champ. I don't have
UEFI so I can't shed anything on that issue.

I've accessed BIOS one time don't know how. Windows 8 doesn't let me in BIOS, I
don't know if it has UEFI. I would like to understand UEFI, I've read it stores
Windows 8 key. Can you explain simplifying?

mick wrote:
On 21/12/2014 23:12:17, Big_Al wrote:
Big_Al wrote on 12/21/2014 6:10 PM:
wrote on 12/21/2014 12:26 PM:
Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC
using UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis
I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8
machine UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?
Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE
recover ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and
download a plugin + install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.
Thanks

I have 4 versions of Acronis, and all of them, some boxed retail,
some download, but if you have a CD Key you can register it at
Acronis.com and they let you download all the ISO's you want. ISO
for the install which can also be used for booting, or you can make a
recovery CD once installed. You might be able to make a recovery
from the CD without install, but why?, the install CD will boot and
do recovery. Not sure about Macrium just used it one day, and did no
recovery.

I should say, I have Acronis True Image Home, currently V14. I know
they have other products.

If you want to do a recovery CD which works for certain Win 8 64bit
machines you may have to purchase the Premium edition like I did. The
normal Acronis True Image Home just would not detect the hard drive
after making the recovery CD. Fourteen emails backwards and forwards to
Acronis support could not resolve the problem (February this year).
There is also a lot of info about it if you search:
acronis boot disk cannot find hard drive

Not True for ATI 13, 14, and 15. Have used each version to Image and
Restore Windows 7.0, 8.0 and 8.1 (all Windows Pro versions and 64 bit)
via installed program UI and also with Acronis Boot Media (created by
Acronis Program on CD and bootable USB or download of iso and creation
of CD boot media.
- my Win7 and Win8x systems are both 64 bit

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Bernard wrote:
"Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ...

Now that you say it, I did try to clone my win8.1 laptop HD to a new
SSD about a month ago. When I tried, Acronis said
there were problems with one of the devices (can't remember right now,
I think the SSD). There wasn't but it said so.
I loaded Macruium Reflect Free and made a boot disk and did the mirror
with it. Worked like a champ. I don't have
UEFI so I can't shed anything on that issue.

I've accessed BIOS one time don't know how. Windows 8 doesn't let me in
BIOS, I don't know if it has UEFI. I would like to understand UEFI, I've
read it stores Windows 8 key. Can you explain simplifying?

Windows doesn't provide the ability to access the BIOS
- your motherboard does via a designated key (Function key or keyboard
key). Check your manual for the correct method

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

"Bernard" wrote in message
...
"Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ...

Now that you say it, I did try to clone my win8.1 laptop HD to a new SSD
about a month ago. When I tried, Acronis said
there were problems with one of the devices (can't remember right now, I
think the SSD). There wasn't but it said so.
I loaded Macruium Reflect Free and made a boot disk and did the mirror
with it. Worked like a champ. I don't have
UEFI so I can't shed anything on that issue.

I've accessed BIOS one time don't know how. Windows 8 doesn't let me in
BIOS, I don't know if it has UEFI. I would like to understand UEFI, I've
read it stores Windows 8 key. Can you explain simplifying?

If you have Fast Startup enabled (which it is by default), you'll have to
reboot to get into your BIOS settings (using whatever key it says in your
manual). Fast Startup prevents booting from another device also, unless you
reboot. Useful item, but a bit intrusive :-) I have a laptop with Win8.1 x64
installed, and I wanted to try out Win10 Technical Preview. I cloned my
current HDD to a second HDD in the laptop (using ATI2013), then removed one
of them and upgraded to Win10. I now have that drive as my secondary with
Win10, and my original drive as my primary. I had to disable Fast Startup on
both OS's in order to get into the laptop's boot menu (F12 on mine), or else
I would have had to boot into Win8, then reboot and press F12 to select the
Win10TP drive.

My partner has Win8.1 x64 on her Lenovo desktop, and it has UEFI. I was able
to create an image of her HDD, then restore that image to a larger HDD
without any difficulty at all using ATI2013. I did the complete operation by
booting from the installation CD. Created the image on an external HDD, shut
it down, replaced the drive with a larger one, then restored that image to
the new drive. Removed the CD, and it booted into WIN8.1 with no problems,
just like it did with the original drive, except now it has more space for
grandkid pictures, videos, etc. :-)

None of my drives are SSD, so I can't speak of any problems there.
--
SC Tom

On 22/12/2014 11:01:50, "...winston?" wrote:
mick wrote:
On 21/12/2014 23:12:17, Big_Al wrote:
Big_Al wrote on 12/21/2014 6:10 PM:
wrote on 12/21/2014 12:26 PM:
Has anyone confirmed if they can create and restore Win 8 on a PC
using UEFI with Macrium Reflect or Acronis
I found this "Nobody's Linux Recovery CD will boot on any new Win8
machine UNLESS you go into BIOS and ENABLE LEGACY SUPPORT First" at
https://forum.acronis.com/forum/36921 Is this true?
Also, if I understand correctly Macrium lets you make a WIN PE
recover ISO very easily where Acronis makes you purchase and
download a plugin + install Windows Asssesmant and Deployment kit.
Thanks

I have 4 versions of Acronis, and all of them, some boxed retail,
some download, but if you have a CD Key you can register it at
Acronis.com and they let you download all the ISO's you want. ISO
for the install which can also be used for booting, or you can make a
recovery CD once installed. You might be able to make a recovery
from the CD without install, but why?, the install CD will boot and
do recovery. Not sure about Macrium just used it one day, and did no
recovery.

I should say, I have Acronis True Image Home, currently V14. I know
they have other products.

If you want to do a recovery CD which works for certain Win 8 64bit
machines you may have to purchase the Premium edition like I did. The
normal Acronis True Image Home just would not detect the hard drive
after making the recovery CD. Fourteen emails backwards and forwards to
Acronis support could not resolve the problem (February this year).
There is also a lot of info about it if you search:
acronis boot disk cannot find hard drive

Not True for ATI 13, 14, and 15. Have used each version to Image and Restore
Windows 7.0, 8.0 and 8.1 (all Windows Pro versions and 64 bit) via installed
program UI and also with Acronis Boot Media (created by Acronis Program on CD
and bootable USB or download of iso and creation of CD boot media.
- my Win7 and Win8x systems are both 64 bit

I don't waste my time writing things that are not true, especially
having spent hours trying to resolve the issue using Acronis True Image
Home 2014 and Acronis support services. You were lucky that everything
worked for you, but if you search the internet or go to the Acronis
Forums you will find it is a common problem if you have to use the
WinPE ISO builder to create a bootable recovery disk.
Here is the last email of 14 from Acronis support on the issue:
--------------------
Hello Mick,

Thank you for your responses.

With reference to your previous email, it seems like Linux bootable
medias are missing drivers for your hard drive. Therefore, WinPE
bootable media is able to find your hard drive.

Mick; unfortunately, we do not have WinPE ISO builder in our
standard/upgrade version. It is only available in the Premium edition.

Fore more information, you may refer to the below articles:
http://kb.acronis.com/content/44344

How to create a WinPE disc:
http://kb.acronis.com/content/46255

You may upgrade to Premium edition by just paying the price difference
from Standard edition.
Please refer to the below article for in-app purchase:
http://kb.acronis.com/content/46070

Feel free to get back to us should you have any further questions.

We will leave this case open till you confirm resolution. We look
forward to your response.

--
Best regards,
Dhyansingh Rawat
Support Engineer
Acronis Customer Central
-------------------------

In the end the only solution was to purchase the Premium edition of
ATIH 2014 just to get a bootable disk which recognised the hard drive
which really ****ed me off.

--
mick

SC Tom wrote:


"Bernard" wrote in message
...
"Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ...

Now that you say it, I did try to clone my win8.1 laptop HD to a new
SSD about a month ago. When I tried, Acronis said
there were problems with one of the devices (can't remember right
now, I think the SSD). There wasn't but it said so.
I loaded Macruium Reflect Free and made a boot disk and did the
mirror with it. Worked like a champ. I don't have
UEFI so I can't shed anything on that issue.

I've accessed BIOS one time don't know how. Windows 8 doesn't let me
in BIOS, I don't know if it has UEFI. I would like to understand UEFI,
I've read it stores Windows 8 key. Can you explain simplifying?

If you have Fast Startup enabled (which it is by default), you'll have
to reboot to get into your BIOS settings (using whatever key it says in
your manual). Fast Startup prevents booting from another device also,
unless you reboot. Useful item, but a bit intrusive :-) I have a laptop
with Win8.1 x64 installed, and I wanted to try out Win10 Technical
Preview. I cloned my current HDD to a second HDD in the laptop (using
ATI2013), then removed one of them and upgraded to Win10. I now have
that drive as my secondary with Win10, and my original drive as my
primary. I had to disable Fast Startup on both OS's in order to get into
the laptop's boot menu (F12 on mine), or else I would have had to boot
into Win8, then reboot and press F12 to select the Win10TP drive.

My partner has Win8.1 x64 on her Lenovo desktop, and it has UEFI. I was
able to create an image of her HDD, then restore that image to a larger
HDD without any difficulty at all using ATI2013. I did the complete
operation by booting from the installation CD. Created the image on an
external HDD, shut it down, replaced the drive with a larger one, then
restored that image to the new drive. Removed the CD, and it booted into
WIN8.1 with no problems, just like it did with the original drive,
except now it has more space for grandkid pictures, videos, etc. :-)

None of my drives are SSD, so I can't speak of any problems there.

I think my solution was:

1) powercfg -h off
2) reboot
3) Press BIOS entry key, as designated in computer manual.
On my current Asus motherboard, this is the del key.
On a different brand of motherboard, it was the F2 key.
This is why you check the user manual for details.
4) Later, undo the change with powercfg -h on.
If you want.

I just leave all hibernation turned off, so I can
multiboot without a care in the world.

HTH,
Paul