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On 12/10/19 9:02 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-12-10 9:01 p.m., Mayayana wrote: "Ken Springer" wrote | I used to know a girl whose first name was Risë. Born in the USA. :-) | I don't even know how to enter that. If Risë wrote to me I'd do what I just did: Copy and paste her name. What do you do? Use Charmap.exe? On XP that doesn't even include UTF-8. I've wondered how people use curly quotes and long dashes. I don't know of any easy way to do it. But I also don't know anyone named Risë. My disregard for foreign languages is only a theoretical slight in the minds of the non-English speakers here. Fortunately, no one Chinese or Japanese is filing a complaint with the PC police. Then we'd all be in big trouble. Does the Emoji map in windows 10 work in text only newsgroups? That's the Windows key plus the dot key, I will try it. 🚑{}®℃℉⁂$$฿฿₤₤௹௹€€ʤĊĖ ĚĚ↪↩⇈◉◒◶⨌⨶⪜⪙⪆🙂🙂🙂 . Ok I typed in a random bunch, there are hundreds, Lets see what happens when I send Them. OK, how did you actually "type" these? The only way I can seem to find to get them into a document is to use the mouse and click on the one I want. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 12/10/19 9:09 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-12-10 10:05 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-12-10 10:02 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-12-10 9:01 p.m., Mayayana wrote: "Ken Springer" wrote | I used to know a girl whose first name was Risë.* Born in the USA. :-) | ** I don't even know how to enter that. If Risë wrote to me I'd do what I just did: Copy and paste her name. What do you do? Use Charmap.exe? On XP that doesn't even include UTF-8. I've wondered how people use curly quotes and long dashes. I don't know of any easy way to do it. ** But I also don't know anyone named Risë. My disregard for foreign languages is only a theoretical slight in the minds of the non-English speakers here. Fortunately, no one Chinese or Japanese is filing a complaint with the PC police. Then we'd all be in big trouble. Does the Emoji map in windows 10 work in text only newsgroups? That's the Windows key plus the dot key, I will try it. 🚑{}®℃℉⁂$$฿฿₤₤௹௹€€ʤĊĖ ĚĚ↪↩⇈◉◒◶⨌⨶⪜⪙⪆🙂🙂🙂 . Ok I typed in a random bunch, there are hundreds, Lets see what happens when I send Them. Rene Well Glory Be, It does work OK :-) Rene Oh, Oh, I hope I haven't opened up Pandoras box! LOL -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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David
Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:08:00 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: On 10/12/2019 09:18, Diesel wrote: You tried to hire me to crack into other peoples private computer networks for your benefit. That's where you went wrong, Dustin. Hah. If by wrong you meant, refused, multiple times, to do it for you, then yea.. sure, I went wrong. I did try to explain that my sole ambition is, and always has been, to make the Internet a better and safer place for EVERYBODY. ROFL! You're a bull****ter, for sure. Nothing was ever sought for my personal benefit. And a bit whacky. How is that exposing me, David? I'm fairly sure that most people have no idea that you are a criminal. Ahh, more slander. You are well known for that, too, David. -- If you feel like you've got to lead, at least get out of my way. |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-12-10 10:05 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-12-10 10:02 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 2019-12-10 9:01 p.m., Mayayana wrote: "Ken Springer" wrote | I used to know a girl whose first name was Risë. Born in the USA. :-) | I don't even know how to enter that. If Risë wrote to me I'd do what I just did: Copy and paste her name. What do you do? Use Charmap.exe? On XP that doesn't even include UTF-8. I've wondered how people use curly quotes and long dashes. I don't know of any easy way to do it. But I also don't know anyone named Risë. My disregard for foreign languages is only a theoretical slight in the minds of the non-English speakers here. Fortunately, no one Chinese or Japanese is filing a complaint with the PC police. Then we'd all be in big trouble. Does the Emoji map in windows 10 work in text only newsgroups? That's the Windows key plus the dot key, I will try it. 🚑{}®℃℉⁂$$฿฿₤₤௹௹€€ʤĊĖ ĚĚ↪↩⇈◉◒◶⨌⨶⪜⪙⪆🙂🙂🙂 . Ok I typed in a random bunch, there are hundreds, Lets see what happens when I send Them. Rene Well Glory Be, It does work OK :-) Rene Oh, Oh, I hope I haven't opened up Pandoras box! Rene That makes a great eye chart. I can see me reading that off the wall at the eye doctor now. OK, now we should do some ASCII art using those. Paul |
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On 10/12/2019 18.22, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote | And Carlos replied to you with the classic Linux | salespitch: "If we ain't got it, you don't need it." | | I don't remember saying that :-? | "Linux doesn't firewall by processes, and this is intentional. Wrong expectations from user :-P" Which is not "If we ain't got it, you don't need it.". For starters, it is taken out of context. | So one of my basic requirements for an OS is the | ability to control what goes in and out. You may | "hate" it. Maybe you're on an intranet where that's | a problem. I'm on a non-networked, standalone | computer. There's no excuse for anything going in | or out that I didn't ask for. | | We do it differently. | | We have the source code, so anybody can go in and find out if something | calls home, why and how. No need to use forensic tools to find out as | with commercial closed source software. | | Thus the typical Linux firewall is designed to protect from outside, not | from inside. No need. | Yes. I prefer a free operating system, like Windows, where I can choose how to do things without having to have the time and expertise to parse all the code of all the software I use. LOL. Free, you say. And I'm not interested in taking someone's word: "Don't worry. It's just updating." If I don't ask it to update then it shouldn't be updating. I shouldn't have to trust it. Not to mention that dripfeed updates has turned into a disaster of beta-is-good-enough software development. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On 10/12/2019 16.18, Dan Purgert wrote:
Mayayana wrote: "Dan Purgert" wrote | I've never used Mandrake/Mandriva; but I know that SUSE is ... weird. | They remind me of like IBM or HP -- "release 1.2.3.1 is to be released | on January 13, 2020; our standard lifecycle will apply to this release. | Long-term contract holders can obtain 1.2.3.1.LT on January 20." | | I think the whole gimmick with them is that you buy a SUSE support | contract. | I'd never heard of that. I mainly picked those because they supported KDE and because they seemed to have to most package support for various software programs. As this is a bit OT for the *win* groups, should we perhaps move to email? There is "alt.comp.freeware" and "alt.computer.workshop". Are they also Windows groups? :-? Well, I just read the SUSE page for a few minutes, and the language reminded me of other "enterprise-y" stuff. I could be somewhat off the mark there. You have to read the openSUSE pageS instead. Ubuntu has a massive library of packages as well (I'm not sure they're necessarily "top" in that count, but they're at the upper end). Although their terminology (and slight name-alterations based on the desktop setup of choice) does kind of get annoying. | Sounds like you really wanted Ubuntu (or these days, maybe Mint?). People often say that. But why move from Windows adware to Linux adware? I don't want something that cuts off control. I'd only be interested if it were as functional and controllable as Windows. I'm not sure what you mean with adware - Ubuntu gave up on that AMZN integration about as fast as they recanted on killing 32-bit after Valve told them off. In my experience, Linux tends to trump Windows when it comes to "controllability" in general terms. One side or the other may be better in a specific "controllable thing" though (but I think that goes for anything, be it software, a new car, etc.) I often think of Window/Mac/Linux as a decent car, a sportscar with the hood welded shut, and a car kit. There's no sense moving from a decent sedan to a sedan with the hood welded shut. It would only make sense if the new sedan had better/more features. Of course; but then I didn't say to get a mac, did I? You can still find the "kit" distributions for Linux (and they're quite fun) -- but realistically, the "for desktops / new users" type distributions are more akin to hybrids these days. That is, they're a bit of an oddity, when compared to "a standard car that everyone has(tm)", but for most people the differences will rather quickly be overcome and/or ignored. | That being said, I'm not entirely sure linux firewalls necessarily care | about "per application" in the same way that Windows does. Then again, | I always hated that approach. And Carlos replied to you with the classic Linux salespitch: "If we ain't got it, you don't need it." It's a difference in the underlying paradigms of the two OSes, and not so much ... that line of thinking across the board. As I recall (and probably incorrectly at that), "Per application" firewalls grew out of the days when just looking at the internet could get you all kinds of "fun(tm)" applications that would compromise your host without you even knowing about it. Linux systems, on the other hand, have tended to operate under the old UNIX tradition of one admin handling many users; and the firewall options have tended to reflect that. Now, iptables is being replaced (more or less) with new things, so that paradigm may be changing as well. Yes. And there is another point: what /I/ see of the firewall is not iptables, but a frontend that handles iptables with an easy (or not) to use configuration view. What the user can do depends on what frontend chooses to do - and there are several frontends to choose. Linux people don't seem to get the irony of a system that stresses freedom yet provides none. The religious peer pressure can be intense. Especially with the young devotees. I don't follow how the differences in paradigms mean that there is no "freedom". But the ability to block processes is very useful on Windows. It provides a warning if malware gets onto the system. Also, these days a large percentage of software tries to call home without asking. [...] Software making unauthorized calls home is never fun. I haven't personally seen that happening with the stuff I have installed (not that the statement means it doesn't happen, of course). That being said, I think many people follow your train of thought on the linux side. I never had to suffer malware... When I tried SR Iron, which is supposed to be a clean version of Chromium, even that tried to call home. When the call failed it tried to call Google. Yet their whole selling point is no Google spyware! Dunno about that one. Many browsers nowadays have some form of a DNS check built in though, which may simply use their site to check that DNS is working. Yes, I have seen that. openSUSE network scripts do that since ages. If the check fails, you get a notice that network is failing. And it is just that, a check that the network is running. A plain "ping", no data exchanged. Did I want to allow DCOM outbound? Huh? I'd never heard of DCOM. Microsoft was trying to get into my system via ActiveX because I'd clicked their ad. Probably more likely the sleazy ad company . The first software program I saw try to go online was Norton System Works. [...] This was back when SW was system software. No AV or anything like it. No excuse for going online. Dunno what SystemWorks is, so I can't say there. I know many of their installers phoned home to get the latest patches as part of the install process (to avoid "great you installed 1.0.0, download 1.0.9 now!"). So one of my basic requirements for an OS is the ability to control what goes in and out. You may "hate" it. Maybe you're on an intranet where that's a problem. I'm on a non-networked, standalone computer. There's no excuse for anything going in or out that I didn't ask for. I control it a bit on the machine; but more typically handle that at the edge of my network (be it home or otherwise). How does your "standalone computer" get online? Internal modem directly to your ISP? .... -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On 10/12/2019 22.31, Mayayana wrote:
"Dan Purgert" wrote | I'm not sure what you mean with adware - Ubuntu gave up on that AMZN | integration about as fast as they recanted on killing 32-bit after Valve | told them off. | I've heard that. Yet the fact that they had the means to do it, and thought of trying, is a very bad sign. It shouldn't be possible for them to have that access. | I often think of Window/Mac/Linux as a decent car, | a sportscar with the hood welded shut, and a car kit. | There's no sense moving from a decent sedan to a sedan | with the hood welded shut. It would only make sense | if the new sedan had better/more features. | | Of course; but then I didn't say to get a mac, did I? | The point of that analogy is that Linux isn't much use to me as a car kit. But if they go to the other extreme it's also not much use. For many Linux fans there are only two categories of people: Those whho compile their software and Grandma. LOL. I have not compiled my software since ages. No need to. No feeling of being grandma either :-P | When I tried SR Iron, which is supposed to be a | clean version of Chromium, even that tried to call | home. When the call failed it tried to call Google. | Yet their whole selling point is no Google spyware! | | Dunno about that one. Many browsers nowadays have some form of a DNS | check built in though, which may simply use their site to check that DNS | is working. | DNS had to be working to call home. Then they tried Google. I don't see any reason, when a man with a mask and hood is climbing through my kitchen window, to assume that he's probably just doing stretching exercises. The browser has no business calling home, especially when it's advertised as being Chrome with the spyware removed. Well, the sourcecode is there, so just go find out what it is doing :-p | So one of my basic requirements for an OS is the | ability to control what goes in and out. You may | "hate" it. Maybe you're on an intranet where that's | a problem. I'm on a non-networked, standalone | computer. There's no excuse for anything going in | or out that I didn't ask for. | | I control it a bit on the machine; but more typically handle that at the | edge of my network (be it home or otherwise). | | How does your "standalone computer" get online? Internal modem directly | to your ISP? Router to cable connection. But all computers in the house are set up with networking services disabled and no file sharing, etc. Obviously I have network capacity in the sense of getting online, but it's standalone. I have no network neighborhood. No LAN. No computer can see me and I can't see any others. I have a handful of programs that are allowed outbound via the ports they need. That's it. (chuckle) -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On 10/12/2019 17.56, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/10/2019 7:29 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 09/12/2019 17.45, Dan Purgert wrote: Mayayana wrote: "Dan Purgert" wrote Meanwhile, WINE took 20 years to get to v. 1, with updates every 10 days. It was a training camp for college students, not a professional piece of software. GIMP is similar. And that pretty much covers Linux software for people who are not programmers or scientists. I don't think their choice to not go to a v1.0 necessarily implies what you're trying to say it does.* Especially when it comes to writing a compatibility layer for a closed-source system that has zero interest in actually allowing it... Correct. On the other hand, there are many projects with version numbers below "1", because their people like it so, yet the applications are really finished and stable. There is no a single strategy related to version numbers. They may start at zero and not change to one unless they do a major change to the API. Others love to change numbers fast. Yes, the usage of version numbers varies greatly from one company to another. One of the weirdest is WordPerfect, which used normal Arabic numerals up to version 12, then switched to* a mixture of Arabic and Roman numerals, starting with X3, up to its correct version X9. It remains to be seen what the next version will be called. XX? X10? Something else? And Microsoft Windows of course, which used numbers up to 3.11, then switched to years, starting with 95, then switched to names, starting with Me, then switched back to numbers, starting with 7. And now to a stable version 10, and we have to look further. Not a trivial number to find out. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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In article , Ken Springer
wrote: There are a lot of writing skills we no longer teach, and it's to our detriment. Over the years, I've read this has happened because the early typewriters could not do things like things like this. That's true. And early computers, when it came to these skills, are little more than fancy typewriters. early typewriters didn't even have a full character set. There wasn't even a standard keyboard layont. yes there was, known as qwerty. however, the position of a couple of the ancillary characters sometimes varied, as they do today, but that's minor. this keyboard has a key for 1/2 and 1/4, which was not on all keyboards: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/ff...8712e0a3dee659 1.jpg Where's thje qwerty keyboard layout here? https://clipground.com/images/antiqu...-clipart-7.jpg Or he http://www.mrmartinweb.com/type.htm Qwerty was introdiuced in 1873. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY Typewriters of different designs go as far back as 1575. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typewriter A number of typewriters shown here, http://www.typewritermuseum.org/coll...actyle1&cat=ks, do not not have the QWERTY layout, even thought they were made after 1873. Obviously, there was no agreed upon layout. Given that even now, with the optional keyboard layouts like DVORAK, there is no "standard", just the most common. you obviously don't understand what standard means. qwerty is the standard in usa and has been for the past 125 years (your link) with zero indication it's going to change. keyboards outside the usa typically use the standard for whatever country it is, but that does not affect the qwerty standard in the usa. for example, france is azerty: https://www.terena.org/activities/mu...bd-all.html#Fr ench there have been some variants for specific purposes, such as the ones in the link below, but they are extremely rare and do not in any way invalidate the qwerty standard. https://simplyian.com/2010/02/10/top-10-most-unique-keyboards/ dvorak is yet another standard, which very rarely seen and a complete scam. the tests that showed it's faster were created and run by dvorak himself. can you say 'conflict of interest'? not surprisingly, objective controlled tests found little difference between qwerty and dvorak, and in some cases, qwerty was *faster*. imagine that. https://www.economist.com/finance-an...1/the-qwerty-m yth ...A different layout, which had been patented by August Dvorak in 1936, was shown to be much faster. Yet the Dvorak layout has never been widely adopted, even though (with electric typewriters and then PCs) the anti-jamming rationale for QWERTY has been defunct for years. .... A fine tale, but largely fiction. The paper by Messrs Liebowitz and Margolis shows, in the first place, that the first evidence supporting claims of Dvorak's superiority was extremely thin. The main study was carried out by the United States Navy in 1944 (doubtless a time when every second counted in the typing pools). The speed of 14 typists retrained on Dvorak was compared with the speed of 18 given supplementary training on QWERTY. The Dvorak typists did betterbut it is impossible to say from the official report whether the experiment was properly controlled. There are a variety of oddities and possible biases: all of them, it so happens, seeming to favour Dvorak. But then it turns outsomething else the report forgot to mentionthat the experiments were conducted by one Lieutenant-Commander August Dvorak, the navy's top time-and-motion man, and owner of the Dvorak layout patent. In 1956 a carefully designed study by the General Services Administration found that QWERTY typists were about as fast as Dvorak typists, or faster. |
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In article , Ken Springer
wrote: I've wondered how people use curly quotes and long dashes. I don't know of any easy way to do it. It may depend on the software you use. Many word processors have an option to insert the curly quotes. I don't know if it's still the same, but in Word you intentionally type the wrong key combo, and the en or em dash would be inserted if AutoCorrect was enabled. Usually, you can add your own AutoCorrect entries. curly quotes are often done automatically, so the user doesn't have to worry about which one to use when. |
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On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:11:14 +0000, David
wrote: No bull****. I believed that something untoward was happening on the Annexcafe forums and I asked if you would check. And nothing was. 20 years of STALKING, 30 INNOCENT TARGETS slandered,attacked with web-based scanners, some blackmailed, threatened etc and NONE OF THEM TAKEN TO COURT. You should put that on your CV. That's a 100% score. As a complete failure. But still 100%. --------------- BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to hide". I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request, rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!": http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php 63 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes! Google "David Brooks Devon" []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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"Ken Springer" wrote
| | I used to know a girl whose first name was Ris. Born in the USA. :-) | | | | I don't even know how to enter that. If Ris wrote to me | I'd do what I just did: Copy and paste her name. | | In this case, I looked up umlaut in Wikipedia. The article included a | bunch of letters with umlauts. So, I did what you did. Copy and paste. | LOL | I hope she's worth it. |
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote
| Does the Emoji map in windows 10 work in text only newsgroups? | That's the Windows key plus the dot key, I will try it. | | ??{}???$$?????????CEeEE?????????????????. | That's a whole new can of worms. They might work if people view in HTML and have the font. I see mostly boxes, along with oddball things like {}$$ pound sign, euro sign, B with a vertical line through it, and a few letters with a mark over them. Ever notice webpages where there are odd little rectangles, with 2 squares on top of each other, and inside each square is a tiny hex code? Those are emojis or foreign language characters for which you don't have a font. Then there's the problem of deciphering them. Usually I don't know what an emoji is supposed to mean, even if I can see them. And why would I want to see them? |
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No, viewing it as HTML makes no difference. Which
makes sense. You didn't post as HTML. Interestingly, I see the boxes in your post, but once I reply or copy and paste it's converted to mostly question marks. I tried to copy and paste it into a webpage with UTF-8 content encoding, then view in New Moon, but the Clipboard seems to convert it to question marks. |
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