Should MS go straight to 10?

On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

On 08/01/2014 05:42 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.


I don't subscribe to advocacy groups.

--
Caver1

Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.


NVidia has a forum. You could ask there. Like most
companies, their developers probably don't read the
forum, but it's better than nothing.

*******

This is the first hit in a search. Search terms:

linux tearing nvidia video driver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7s5M3fgcE

Compiz settings manager - uncheck "detect frame rate"
check "sync to vblank"
OpenGL check "sync to vblank"
check "high performance"
...
Powermizer mode = "Prefer maximum performance"

And so on.

Paul

On 08/01/2014 05:42 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.



! last post in this thread. Think Windows doesn't experience screen
tearing? Even in 8.1?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=screen+tea...ws&t=canonical

--
Caver1

On 8/1/2014 6:06 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 05:42 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.


I don't subscribe to advocacy groups.

Until today.


--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

On 8/1/2014 6:44 PM, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with
the proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version
195.xx. Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's
still there as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the
issue as the driver is generally identical to the Windows one and
Windows does not suffer any of these issues.


NVidia has a forum. You could ask there. Like most
companies, their developers probably don't read the
forum, but it's better than nothing.

*******

This is the first hit in a search. Search terms:

linux tearing nvidia video driver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7s5M3fgcE

Compiz settings manager - uncheck "detect frame rate"
check "sync to vblank"
OpenGL check "sync to vblank"
check "high performance"
...
Powermizer mode = "Prefer maximum performance"

And so on.

Paul

Thanks. However, I specifically migrated to GNOME 3 in an effort to
remove Compiz as a potential problem. It slightly fixed the problem in
one game but retained it in another. I also have issues with the "Prefer
maximum performance" setting as it would force the GPU to run at its
maximal frequency which draws more power, speeds up the fans and
increases the level of heat within the desktop. It's something I would
like to avoid.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

On 8/2/2014 10:41 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 05:42 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.



! last post in this thread. Think Windows doesn't experience screen
tearing? Even in 8.1?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=screen+tea...ws&t=canonical

I never once suggested that it is impossible for people to experience
such a problem in Windows. I was referring to my own system and the
differences ON MY SYSTEM between the two platforms using the same driver.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 6:44 PM, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble
GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works
just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try
something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with
the proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version
195.xx. Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's
still there as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the
issue as the driver is generally identical to the Windows one and
Windows does not suffer any of these issues.


NVidia has a forum. You could ask there. Like most
companies, their developers probably don't read the
forum, but it's better than nothing.

*******

This is the first hit in a search. Search terms:

linux tearing nvidia video driver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7s5M3fgcE

Compiz settings manager - uncheck "detect frame rate"
check "sync to vblank"
OpenGL check "sync to vblank"
check "high performance"
...
Powermizer mode = "Prefer maximum performance"

And so on.

Paul

Thanks. However, I specifically migrated to GNOME 3 in an effort to
remove Compiz as a potential problem. It slightly fixed the problem in
one game but retained it in another. I also have issues with the "Prefer
maximum performance" setting as it would force the GPU to run at its
maximal frequency which draws more power, speeds up the fans and
increases the level of heat within the desktop. It's something I would
like to avoid.


As far as I know, looking at that Youtube video, the adjustments
are the same ones (functional equivalent) of how you'd fix
tearing in a Windows setup. The same issues arise in both
OSes, as it's a hardware thing.

I would think sync to vblank or something related to frame rate,
might help more than prefer maximum performance. The latter one
may help with video smoothness. There is a tendency for power
saving to cut in, *between* movie frames, so the CPU is modulated
at 24 or 30 times a second, in terms of P-state. Selecting a
maximum performance state, is all in an attempt to make the
hardware run at a constant speed. If there was a time adjustment
for P-state changes in the hardware, and it was made longer in time,
that might do as much good. Anandtech noticed this in some reviews,
that the video quality was a bit off, and that's what they adjusted
to make it stop. Try to "max" the hardware, so the power saving
doesn't cut in between movie frames.

Paul

On 08/02/2014 01:58 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 6:06 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 05:42 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.


I don't subscribe to advocacy groups.

Until today.



I went in to see what you were refer to about the tearing complaints. I
wont be there tomorrow as I already unsubscribed.

--
Caver1

On 08/02/2014 02:01 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/2/2014 10:41 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 05:42 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem ...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.



! last post in this thread. Think Windows doesn't experience screen
tearing? Even in 8.1?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=screen+tea...ws&t=canonical

I never once suggested that it is impossible for people to experience
such a problem in Windows. I was referring to my own system and the
differences ON MY SYSTEM between the two platforms using the same driver.


It also happens in Windows with NIVIDA is the point. Not just your
system. Why would to entirely different OSs use the same driver?
Similar maybe but not the same.

--
Caver1

Silver Slimer wrote:

On 8/1/2014 11:56 AM, Stef wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:

[snip]

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on trucking.

When was the last time you used Linux? A decade ago? It's been
improved.

Two days ago. The problems I listed are the ones I experienced: screen
tearing playing the exact same games as I did in Windows and using the
same driver as well as the computer's inability to shut down.

I'm assuming you're dual booting Linux and Windows. If you're running
Linux on a different computer or in a virtual machine on a Windows host,
then, that's a whole different bailiwick.

The fact that Linux won't shutdown indicates something is broken. (Or
does shutdown fail under Windows, too?) Fix that problem first, then
consider the display "tearing." It only occurs when playing games on
Linux, right?

While you say you're using the "same" graphics driver on both Windows &
Linux, they're not the same. They may have the same name, same
version number, etc., but they are not the "same." Internally, they are
different. They have to be to work on their respectively OSes and
support what graphic calls the OSes support even though they may be from
the same manufacturer. For example, the Windows driver supports
DirectX. Linux's doesn't. Linux doesn't do DirectX at all. This could be
part of the problem.

In any case, unless you have some all encompassing need to play games
on Linux, just use Windows since you're not having problems with it.

If you sincerely want to fix the problem, you should post in a Linux
group with the hardware and OS specifics.

Stef

On 8/2/2014 4:08 PM, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 6:44 PM, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem
...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble
GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things
happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works
just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and
like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had
enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try
something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with
the proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version
195.xx. Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's
still there as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the
issue as the driver is generally identical to the Windows one and
Windows does not suffer any of these issues.


NVidia has a forum. You could ask there. Like most
companies, their developers probably don't read the
forum, but it's better than nothing.

*******

This is the first hit in a search. Search terms:

linux tearing nvidia video driver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw7s5M3fgcE

Compiz settings manager - uncheck "detect frame rate"
check "sync to vblank"
OpenGL check "sync to vblank"
check "high performance"
...
Powermizer mode = "Prefer maximum performance"

And so on.

Paul

Thanks. However, I specifically migrated to GNOME 3 in an effort to
remove Compiz as a potential problem. It slightly fixed the problem in
one game but retained it in another. I also have issues with the
"Prefer maximum performance" setting as it would force the GPU to run
at its maximal frequency which draws more power, speeds up the fans
and increases the level of heat within the desktop. It's something I
would like to avoid.


As far as I know, looking at that Youtube video, the adjustments
are the same ones (functional equivalent) of how you'd fix
tearing in a Windows setup. The same issues arise in both
OSes, as it's a hardware thing.

I would think sync to vblank or something related to frame rate,
might help more than prefer maximum performance. The latter one
may help with video smoothness. There is a tendency for power
saving to cut in, *between* movie frames, so the CPU is modulated
at 24 or 30 times a second, in terms of P-state. Selecting a
maximum performance state, is all in an attempt to make the
hardware run at a constant speed. If there was a time adjustment
for P-state changes in the hardware, and it was made longer in time,
that might do as much good. Anandtech noticed this in some reviews,
that the video quality was a bit off, and that's what they adjusted
to make it stop. Try to "max" the hardware, so the power saving
doesn't cut in between movie frames.

I actually tried with maximum performance mode before I finally gave up.
I didn't like the solution but was willing to give it a try before I
abandoned the platform. Needless to say, it didn't work either. Knowing
how beautifully my Windows setup ran advanced games like Crysis 3 and
how poorly GNU/Linux was doing with mediocre titles like A Wizard's
Lizard, the decision to return to Windows wasn't all that difficult.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

On 8/2/2014 4:23 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/02/2014 02:01 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/2/2014 10:41 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 05:42 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 3:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 03:07 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 1:42 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 12:53 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 12:17 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 08/01/2014 11:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 8/1/2014 10:38 AM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and
have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have
properties
menu.

"Caver1" escreveu na mensagem
...

On 08/01/2014 09:46 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 7/31/2014 7:18 PM, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
Windows 1 didn't have start menu and people liked.

"Joe Arnaldo" escreveu na mensagem
...
We have to wait till 2017 for windows 10, with star menu all
over
the
desktop like Linux version.

Windows 1 was an utter failure. You're talking out of your ass.



I'd like to know what star menu all over the desktop.

The very LAST thing that Windows needs to do is resemble
GNU/Linux.
There's a variety of reasons why GNU/Linux has 1% of the desktop
market
share. In addition to the fact that its users seem to be
mind-boggingly
delusional, there's the fact that you get to face bizarre and
irreparable problems within the operating system like screen
tearing,
shut downs which don't complete and the inability to sleep or
hibernate
your system. Trust me, Microsoft is much better off keeping on
trucking.



Just shows that you only know the past. None of those things
happen
anymore and haven't for quit awhile. Also Sleep?Hibernate works
just
fine. I suspend(sleep) my computer every night.

My laptop won't sleep without additional settings to GRUB and
like I
said in my previous post: I last used GNU/Linux on this desktop two
days
ago. It uses quality hardware which works perfectly in Windows but
fails
miserably in GNU/Linux.

I've forgiven GNU/Linux way too much in the past. I've had
enough of
the
amateur bull**** they produce.


What distro and version are you using?

Ubuntu 14.04 and then Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 (to see if the desktop
environment had an impact). If you're going to suggest I try
something,
trust me... I will never touch GNU/Linux again.


That's fine. I am using Ubuntu 14.04 with no problems. Don't have the
foggiest notion as to why it did that to you. Haven't seen any bug
reports or complaints about issues anywhere close to what you had.
Enjoy what you are using.

Actually, I posted a series of links on comp.os.linux.advocacy where
people had the exact same issue as me. Screen tearing in games with the
proprietary NVIDIA driver has existed AT LEAST since version 195.xx.
Somehow, it has yet to be fixed. It's embarrassing that it's still
there
as a problem. I should mention that the driver is not the issue as the
driver is generally identical to the Windows one and Windows does not
suffer any of these issues.



! last post in this thread. Think Windows doesn't experience screen
tearing? Even in 8.1?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=screen+tea...ws&t=canonical


I never once suggested that it is impossible for people to experience
such a problem in Windows. I was referring to my own system and the
differences ON MY SYSTEM between the two platforms using the same driver.


It also happens in Windows with NIVIDA is the point. Not just your
system. Why would to entirely different OSs use the same driver?
Similar maybe but not the same.

According to Phoronix, the code base is 90% identical.

--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca

On 01/08/2014 15:38, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have properties menu.



Is that why people aren't interested in Linux and struck with Windows?
No wonder they all want to copy the Windows Menu system and wasting the
bandwidth on these newsgroups looking for solutions.

You may not know this but Microsoft released Windows 8 to bring a modern
computing experience to businesses and to help professionals stay
connected to their colleagues and clients from anywhere, anytime.
Windows 8.1
http://www.microsoftvirtualacademy.com/training-courses/what-s-new-in-windows-8-1-security
advances this vision and introduces new manageability, mobility,
security, user experience and networking capabilities–with the goal of
offering customers the best business tablets and versatile modern
business PCs driven by the most powerful operating system designed for
today’s modern businesses.

Have you tried Windows 8 yet? If not go an buy a new laptop or desktop
from DELL and see what it can do for you. Don't waste your time with
Linux. You can't be a successful individual messing around with Linux.
Linux is for academics, hobbyists, and enthusiasts and for people who
are jobless with nothing else to do with their time; It is definitely
not for people who have ambitions in life.

On 08/05/2014 12:22 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 01/08/2014 15:38, Joe Arnaldo wrote:
It's a Linux skill that you can click any point of desktop and have
start menu like when you right-click on desktop and have properties menu.



Is that why people aren't interested in Linux and struck with Windows?
No wonder they all want to copy the Windows Menu system and wasting the
bandwidth on these newsgroups looking for solutions.

You may not know this but Microsoft released Windows 8 to bring a modern
computing experience to businesses and to help professionals stay
connected to their colleagues and clients from anywhere, anytime.
Windows 8.1
http://www.microsoftvirtualacademy.com/training-courses/what-s-new-in-windows-8-1-security
advances this vision and introduces new manageability, mobility,
security, user experience and networking capabilities–with the goal of
offering customers the best business tablets and versatile modern
business PCs driven by the most powerful operating system designed for
today’s modern businesses.

Have you tried Windows 8 yet? If not go an buy a new laptop or desktop
from DELL and see what it can do for you. Don't waste your time with
Linux. You can't be a successful individual messing around with Linux.
Linux is for academics, hobbyists, and enthusiasts and for people who
are jobless with nothing else to do with their time; It is definitely
not for people who have ambitions in life.


Why did Microsoft used Linux for it's servers? W does 90% of Wall street
use Linux. Why does NASA use Linux. Why does Facebook use Linux?
Why does the US Army and Navy and Airforce use Linux? It can go on and on.
Do they use Linux because they like messing around? Maybe they don't
have ambitions? Maybe they don't really work.

--
Caver1