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OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet?
"John Doe" wrote in message
... "One of [the bullies I went to high school with joined the police force and] became the subject of a huge investigation by the Mollen Commission" That's a good thing, isn't it? Isn't that called "justice served". Backtracking and babbling... -- "PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote: No, it's not a good thing - he never should have been hired in the first place. |
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If you want to whine about police officers, I suggest YouTube.
You'll be with jillions of other whiners. At least here in the United States... The police are the first in a series of law enforcement. When you are stopped, you must respect the fact that the officer has power over you. You can disagree, but the officer has the last word in that circumstance. You can appeal to a higher power, but only after the officer is finished with you. It's similar to being in a courtroom. And yes of course they make mistakes and yes some of them play dirty. But that's the way it is. -- pjp pjp_is_located hotmail.com wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: pjp pjp_is_located hotmail.com Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general Subject: OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 12:29:48 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 38 Message-ID: MPG.2e24950cbf6f034b9897f2 news.eternal-september.org References: ll5tss$lr2$2 dont-email.me loftrv$36q$1 dont-email.me logfhm$k47$1 dont-email.me loh7oq$3j0$1 speranza.aioe.org lohknv$3t0$1 dont-email.me c8soq9h910cgvfgci8r2i1civi9udsculj 4ax.com lohv74$7rh$1 speranza.aioe.org p4mpq95dnnu3pnj8cm7ta2aninghqrpmqd 4ax.com lojq8b$hgv$1 speranza.aioe.org lonae8$leq$2 dont-email.me lpe9ct$t7t$2 speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="86266104550c35fd6835b43e1504385f"; logging-data="28886"; mail-complaints-to="abuse eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19GiimUZ9xulfTOGPYe/hsuwFVDwSpbpa4=" User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4 Cancel-Lock: sha1:c3OoFWMrPqxnzK9ZsSJcSq+ZI50= Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:30682 alt.windows7.general:103793 In article lpe9ct$t7t$2 speranza.aioe.org, ntotrr optonline.net says... "John Doe" always.look message.header wrote in message news:lonae8$leq$2 dont-email.me... "One of [the bullies I went to high school with joined the police force and] became the subject of a huge investigation by the Mollen Commission" That's a good thing, isn't it? Isn't that called "justice served". Backtracking and babbling... -- "PAS" ntotrr optonline.net wrote: No, it's not a good thing - he never should have been hired in the first place. It's my experience the criteria for hiring police officers is flawed. There's just too many that take a dictatorial stance with an aggressive attitude, treating one as if they're nothing but "I own your ass" immediately upon deciding to stop someone for any reason or what's more likely simply because "they felt like it" with no valid reason. There's something wrong with anyone who puts on a weapon every day with full intention of using it if and when they feel it necessary. When they finally do, I think of it as murder. The fact so called extenuating circumstances "justifies" it so society doesn't charge them with a crime doesn't change that. Not much different than the military. Again just another bunch of people will willingly murder others. What makes it so much worse is that both do it for nothing more than money. Don't waste your breath telling me it's "love of country" or "doing society a service". I cry for neither. |
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:14:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote: If you want to whine about police officers, I suggest YouTube. You'll be with jillions of other whiners. OMG. I didn't realize the problem was that widespread. Youtube makes it quite clear. Literally millions of complaints about police brutality. I'm so old I can remember when the police protected the average citizen, and not just the guys financing the lobbies. Thanks for the eye-opener. Best of luck at keeping alive. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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You will also notice on YouTube that everybody is gung ho for the
state putting an end to so-called domestic violence. You can't have one without the other. The reason the state is getting fatter and uglier is because you are asking it to run every part of our lives. -- Shadow Sh dow.br wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!e nother.net!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com !news3 From: Shadow Sh dow.br Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general,free.usenet,free.sp irit Subject: OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet? Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 19:17:21 -0300 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $23.95 Lines: 16 Message-ID: dk6mr9dpj6897bpock58b7aoh8pci3qiqv 4ax.com References: ll5tss$lr2$2 dont-email.me loftrv$36q$1 dont-email.me logfhm$k47$1 dont-email.me loh7oq$3j0$1 speranza.aioe.org lohknv$3t0$1 dont-email.me c8soq9h910cgvfgci8r2i1civi9udsculj 4ax.com lohv74$7rh$1 speranza.aioe.org p4mpq95dnnu3pnj8cm7ta2aninghqrpmqd 4ax.com lojq8b$hgv$1 speranza.aioe.org lonae8$leq$2 dont-email.me lpe9ct$t7t$2 speranza.aioe.org MPG.2e24950cbf6f034b9897f2 news.eternal-september.org lpeh0e$gga$1 dont-email.me NNTP-Posting-Host: p3f8221b9ae4ef00f4d48bdd20e330d94ae5f5c6e22020951. newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 X-Received-Bytes: 1810 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2174845449 Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:30687 alt.windows7.general:103819 free.usenet:6477542 free.spirit:2007 On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:14:06 +0000 (UTC), John Doe always.look message.header wrote: If you want to whine about police officers, I suggest YouTube. You'll be with jillions of other whiners. OMG. I didn't realize the problem was that widespread. Youtube makes it quite clear. Literally millions of complaints about police brutality. I'm so old I can remember when the police protected the average citizen, and not just the guys financing the lobbies. Thanks for the eye-opener. Best of luck at keeping alive. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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"John Doe" wrote in message
... You will also notice on YouTube that everybody is gung ho for the state putting an end to so-called domestic violence. You can't have one without the other. The reason the state is getting fatter and uglier is because you are asking it to run every part of our lives. Not all of us. I abhor the ever-growing power of our government. I don't want the government running every part of my life but much of it is intent on doing just that. Our federal government has become a power-mad monster, having grabbed far more power than what the Constitution allows. The bottom line is that we've allowed it by sitting back and letting the monster grow and sending the same career politicians to office at each election. Police departments have changed over the years like our government has. They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming more and more militarized. They don't want to be accountable to the citizens they claim to serve. The majority of cops are good ones, like in any other profession. But the bad ones cause a lot of damage and it's SOP that departments cover for their actions. Without people having video recording at their fingertips via their cellphones and posting it on the internet, cops can continue to abuse citizens and get away with it. They shouldn't fear citizens exercising their right to record them unless they doing something wrong. As trite as it may sound, they our servants to the citizens, not the masters over the citizens. We should not be treated as suspects all the time. |
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Per PAS:
Police departments have changed over the years like our government has. They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming more and more militarized. To me, it seems like militarization of the police is an undesirable trend. Without singling out police I would observe that, for most normal adult men, having equipment begs them to use it.... like kids with toys. At least that's the way it is with Yours Truly. I just read a sensational-sounding statistic on the use of SWAT teams. Something like 124 strikes per day across the USA and only 7 percent of them under the circumstances SWAT teams were envisioned for. "Use it or lose it..."? "Sounding" because I have no clue as to it's accuracy... but it seems plausible in the context of what I see on the news. -- Pete Cresswell |
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
... Per PAS: Police departments have changed over the years like our government has. They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming more and more militarized. To me, it seems like militarization of the police is an undesirable trend. Without singling out police I would observe that, for most normal adult men, having equipment begs them to use it.... like kids with toys. At least that's the way it is with Yours Truly. http://www.salon.com/2013/07/13/radl...t _to_use_it/ I just read a sensational-sounding statistic on the use of SWAT teams. Something like 124 strikes per day across the USA and only 7 percent of them under the circumstances SWAT teams were envisioned for. "Use it or lose it..."? "Sounding" because I have no clue as to it's accuracy... but it seems plausible in the context of what I see on the news. I watched a video of a former police officer in Louisiana who was a member of the SWAT team. He left the force because he did not agree with how the SWAT team was being used. He noted that the federal government provided grants for each instance the department used the SWAT team. There is a financial incentive to use them. |
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Even if what it's saying actually happened (anecdotes are
worthless without at least hearing the other side of the story), this "pjp" is missing the point/problem. It's a systemic thing. It's not that cops are different than the rest of us. In a prior political office, Senator Amy Klobuchar prides herself on introducing local legislation that requires police officers to arrest someone in a domestic violence call. Naturally that's going to be the man. Easy to figure that most police officers know what they're doing is wrong, that's why they don't want to get involved. It's not their fault when they're being forced to do dirty work. -- pjp pjp_is_located hotmail.com wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: pjp pjp_is_located hotmail.com Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.windows7.general Subject: OT Should the police search your smartphone/tablet? Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:34:44 -0300 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Message-ID: MPG.2e25fcdbf8793a0d9897f4 news.eternal-september.org References: ll5tss$lr2$2 dont-email.me loftrv$36q$1 dont-email.me logfhm$k47$1 dont-email.me loh7oq$3j0$1 speranza.aioe.org lohknv$3t0$1 dont-email.me c8soq9h910cgvfgci8r2i1civi9udsculj 4ax.com lohv74$7rh$1 speranza.aioe.org p4mpq95dnnu3pnj8cm7ta2aninghqrpmqd 4ax.com lojq8b$hgv$1 speranza.aioe.org lonae8$leq$2 dont-email.me lpe9ct$t7t$2 speranza.aioe.org MPG.2e24950cbf6f034b9897f2 news.eternal-september.org lpeh0e$gga$1 dont-email.me dk6mr9dpj6897bpock58b7aoh8pci3qiqv 4ax.com lpf8jp$1a4$1 dont-email.me lph65a$209$1 speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="86266104550c35fd6835b43e1504385f"; logging-data="9866"; mail-complaints-to="abuse eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18kMfg1gg79BwFCdW/LyfdRXeww3GBEmJw=" User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4 Cancel-Lock: sha1:qK6U8h3OskpTreq1Hzll5ukXvlw= Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt:30692 alt.windows7.general:103858 In article lph65a$209$1 speranza.aioe.org, ntotrr optonline.net says... "John Doe" always.look message.header wrote in message news:lpf8jp$1a4$1 dont-email.me... You will also notice on YouTube that everybody is gung ho for the state putting an end to so-called domestic violence. You can't have one without the other. The reason the state is getting fatter and uglier is because you are asking it to run every part of our lives. Not all of us. I abhor the ever-growing power of our government. I don't want the government running every part of my life but much of it is intent on doing just that. Our federal government has become a power-mad monster, having grabbed far more power than what the Constitution allows. The bottom line is that we've allowed it by sitting back and letting the monster grow and sending the same career politicians to office at each election. Police departments have changed over the years like our government has. They seek more control over us like the government does. They are becoming more and more militarized. They don't want to be accountable to the citizens they claim to serve. The majority of cops are good ones, like in any other profession. But the bad ones cause a lot of damage and it's SOP that departments cover for their actions. Without people having video recording at their fingertips via their cellphones and posting it on the internet, cops can continue to abuse citizens and get away with it. They shouldn't fear citizens exercising their right to record them unless they doing something wrong. As trite as it may sound, they our servants to the citizens, not the masters over the citizens. We should not be treated as suspects all the time. EXACTLY I'm in 60's. When young I had respect for the police, they were "my friend" that I could go to for help. Late 60's living on street. In restaurant drinking cup of coffee I'd just bought. Two off-duty cops acting as bouncers, without asking me to leave just picked me up and threw me out the "in door" ending with a face plant on concrete sidewalk outside. Owner of restaurant didn't like "long hairs". I'm all of maybe 150lb at time and both of them 6'++ 225+ lbs. I walked down to police station and walked in to front desk with blood dripping off me. Told officer what happened while number of others listened. They started laughing, said derogatory comments and made it clear they couldn't care less. As I write I can still hear them laughing as I was forced to walk out with no other option. That wasn't just one but showed me a gang mentality. That's what cops are for me, just another gang. They have always been and likely always will be since. I cry for none of them (only for who they leave behind hurting), even the three in New Brusnwick little while ago. They put on a weapon and are prepared to use it on another human being. That makes them no better than a animal for me. |
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