"Microsoft Abandons Windows 8.1:" Headline truncated

On 4/19/2014 8:37 PM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 4/19/2014 6:28 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message.

You just started running Windows 8?

What makes you think that? I most certainly didn't say so.

Because you just said you just rid of XP and Windows 8 is being
installed on the hard drive as you type.

I have been running 8 for two years

Are you bragging?

No, I am saying those that are just starting with Windows 8 is late to
the party.

I wish I had been "late". Then I could have spent my money on a
Windows 8.1 update whatever machine.


But if you bought it at the introductory price, you only paid
$39.95 for it. And 4GB of service packs/updates later, strangely it's
still only worth $39.95. Maybe after 8.1 U2 shows up (soon),
it'll be worth $40.00.

I don't know what they charge for it today, but whatever
it is, it's too much. (I just checked Newegg, and it's either
$120 or $200.)

When the introductory offer appears, you can always
buy a copy and wait two years for the dust to settle.
"We will sell no wine before its time."


I said "machine", Paul.

I paid almost $600 a year ago for an HP laptop.

Windows 8 has a great recovery tool but that will no longer work if I
need it. If I ever have to use the recovery partition...well I don't
have to tell you.

Ron wrote:
On 4/19/2014 8:37 PM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote:
On 4/19/2014 6:28 PM, BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message.

You just started running Windows 8?

What makes you think that? I most certainly didn't say so.

Because you just said you just rid of XP and Windows 8 is being
installed on the hard drive as you type.

I have been running 8 for two years

Are you bragging?

No, I am saying those that are just starting with Windows 8 is late to
the party.

I wish I had been "late". Then I could have spent my money on a
Windows 8.1 update whatever machine.


But if you bought it at the introductory price, you only paid
$39.95 for it. And 4GB of service packs/updates later, strangely it's
still only worth $39.95. Maybe after 8.1 U2 shows up (soon),
it'll be worth $40.00.

I don't know what they charge for it today, but whatever
it is, it's too much. (I just checked Newegg, and it's either
$120 or $200.)

When the introductory offer appears, you can always
buy a copy and wait two years for the dust to settle.
"We will sell no wine before its time."


I said "machine", Paul.

I paid almost $600 a year ago for an HP laptop.

Windows 8 has a great recovery tool but that will no longer work if I
need it. If I ever have to use the recovery partition...well I don't
have to tell you.


Yes, they certainly botched all that stuff.

the best way to repair that, might be to find an MSDN subscription
DVD, available via torrent. MSDN makes checksums available, so you
can verify it hasn't been altered. (You would need a subscription
to download stuff here, but the checksum can help you find other
sources.)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subs...x=1 &FileId=0

Windows 8.1 (multiple editions) (x64) - DVD (English)
File Name: en_windows_8_1_x64_dvd_2707217.iso
Languages: English
SHA1: BC2F7FF5C91C9F0F8676E39E703085C65072139B

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subs...x#FileId=54341

Once you search on that checksum, you'll find other
references on the topic.

http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/com...out_currently/

With those, you can modify ei.cfg and PID files, to make
the DVD prompt you at install time, for what version
you want to install. (The disc might even do that by default,
but the ei.cfg trick is there anyway.) The multiple editions consist
of more than one image on the DVD, so there's an image
for each supported version. Since that DVD would use
..wim files, it would be a better precursor for fixing
some of the botched features.

I didn't use that DVD, and used my downloaded DVD that
has a .esd instead of a .wim, and it isn't a good
precursor for anything except the basic repair install
to bump me to 8.1.

Maybe if you wanted to prepare a reset image, you could
use that DVD as a source.

Paul

BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"...winston" wrote in message
...
Yes, but not declining as rapidly as elsewhere. In the foreseeable
future XP everywhere will approach the low single digits and
eventually disappear.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. You can't kill a legend that
fast, no matter how often you click your ruby slippers together.

We already know you will be a part of the low single digits. I just
got rid of the last XP I have and Win8 is being installed on the HD
as I type.

You just started running Windows 8?

What makes you think that? I most certainly didn't say so.

Because you just said you just rid of XP and Windows 8 is being
installed on the hard drive as you type.

You're not the only one with more than one computer.


I have been running 8 for two years

Are you bragging?

No, I am saying those that are just starting with Windows 8 is late to
the party.

Yep, bragging.


now. And your people are very different than my people. As mine says:

How Long Will Windows XP Be Secure For?

Unless there's a massive vulnerability that security software
can't protect against, Windows XP should still have a long life
in front of it. As long as security software, drivers and other
applications have Windows XP updates for them, the operating
system can continue to be used securely and reliably. At some
point you'll find that new hardware and software won't support
the OS, and updates stop coming, but until that day you don't
need to upgrade.

Keep telling yourself thta.

I said Vista was going to be a flop back in 2006 when everybody else was
praising it.

More bragging and, sport, you weren't the only one who thought Vista was
a flop. Unlike you, I had the good sense not to spend my money on it.

Then a year later after it was released, people finally
understood what I was taking about.


People understood that without your input.

--
Blue

On 4/19/2014 8:14 PM, ...winston wrote:
BillW50 wrote, On 4/19/2014 1:38 PM:
"...winston" wrote in message
...
Yes, but not declining as rapidly as elsewhere. In the foreseeable
future XP everywhere will approach the low single digits and
eventually disappear.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. You can't kill a legend that fast,
no matter how often you click your ruby slippers together.

That same legend will be leading the remaining lemmings. Look before you
leap, clicking those shoes won't bring XP back let alone Kansas.

Fyi...those slippers were only ruby for the movie so they'd show up in
the Technicolor film process.

Just watched the first two hours of the Developers Keynote video. And it
looks like my Windows 8 machines will be obsolete long before my XP
machines will be. :-(

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

On 4/20/2014 5:36 AM, Blue wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"...winston" wrote in message
...
Yes, but not declining as rapidly as elsewhere. In the foreseeable
future XP everywhere will approach the low single digits and
eventually disappear.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. You can't kill a legend that
fast, no matter how often you click your ruby slippers together.

We already know you will be a part of the low single digits. I just
got rid of the last XP I have and Win8 is being installed on the HD
as I type.

You just started running Windows 8?

What makes you think that? I most certainly didn't say so.

Because you just said you just rid of XP and Windows 8 is being
installed on the hard drive as you type.

You're not the only one with more than one computer.

When did you ever say you had more than one computer?

[hate mongering speech deleted]

now. And your people are very different than my people. As mine says:

How Long Will Windows XP Be Secure For?

Unless there's a massive vulnerability that security software
can't protect against, Windows XP should still have a long life
in front of it. As long as security software, drivers and other
applications have Windows XP updates for them, the operating
system can continue to be used securely and reliably. At some
point you'll find that new hardware and software won't support
the OS, and updates stop coming, but until that day you don't
need to upgrade.

Keep telling yourself thta.

I said Vista was going to be a flop back in 2006 when everybody else was
praising it.
[...]
Then a year later after it was released, people finally
understood what I was taking about.

People understood that without your input.

Surely you can provide evidence for your bold claim, right?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

BillW50 wrote:
On 4/20/2014 5:36 AM, Blue wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"...winston" wrote in message
...
Yes, but not declining as rapidly as elsewhere. In the foreseeable
future XP everywhere will approach the low single digits and
eventually disappear.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. You can't kill a legend that
fast, no matter how often you click your ruby slippers together.

We already know you will be a part of the low single digits. I just
got rid of the last XP I have and Win8 is being installed on the HD
as I type.

You just started running Windows 8?

What makes you think that? I most certainly didn't say so.

Because you just said you just rid of XP and Windows 8 is being
installed on the hard drive as you type.

You're not the only one with more than one computer.

When did you ever say you had more than one computer?

I don't brag about how many computers I have.


[hate mongering speech deleted]

You mean the truth.


now. And your people are very different than my people. As mine says:

How Long Will Windows XP Be Secure For?

Unless there's a massive vulnerability that security software
can't protect against, Windows XP should still have a long life
in front of it. As long as security software, drivers and other
applications have Windows XP updates for them, the operating
system can continue to be used securely and reliably. At some
point you'll find that new hardware and software won't support
the OS, and updates stop coming, but until that day you don't
need to upgrade.

Keep telling yourself thta.

I said Vista was going to be a flop back in 2006 when everybody else was
praising it.
[...]
Then a year later after it was released, people finally
understood what I was taking about.

People understood that without your input.

Surely you can provide evidence for your bold claim, right?


Take a gander at the Vista MS newsgroup. It was all over the tech web
sites. Where were you?

--
Blue

On 4/21/2014 6:02 AM, Blue wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 4/20/2014 5:36 AM, Blue wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"...winston" wrote in message
...
Yes, but not declining as rapidly as elsewhere. In the foreseeable
future XP everywhere will approach the low single digits and
eventually disappear.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. You can't kill a legend that
fast, no matter how often you click your ruby slippers together.

We already know you will be a part of the low single digits. I just
got rid of the last XP I have and Win8 is being installed on the HD
as I type.

You just started running Windows 8?

What makes you think that? I most certainly didn't say so.

Because you just said you just rid of XP and Windows 8 is being
installed on the hard drive as you type.

You're not the only one with more than one computer.

When did you ever say you had more than one computer?

I don't brag about how many computers I have.

I don't ever recall you ever mentioning having more than one computer.
If you did, let us see it.

[hate mongering speech deleted]

You mean the truth.

Hardly, everybody knows you are a hate monger.

now. And your people are very different than my people. As mine says:

How Long Will Windows XP Be Secure For?

Unless there's a massive vulnerability that security software
can't protect against, Windows XP should still have a long life
in front of it. As long as security software, drivers and other
applications have Windows XP updates for them, the operating
system can continue to be used securely and reliably. At some
point you'll find that new hardware and software won't support
the OS, and updates stop coming, but until that day you don't
need to upgrade.

Keep telling yourself thta.

I said Vista was going to be a flop back in 2006 when everybody else
was praising it.
[...]
Then a year later after it was released, people finally
understood what I was taking about.

People understood that without your input.

Surely you can provide evidence for your bold claim, right?

Take a gander at the Vista MS newsgroup. It was all over the tech web
sites. Where were you?

Show us some from 2006 please. Because I have learned that you have not
been very honest whatsoever.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1

BillW50 wrote:
On 4/21/2014 6:02 AM, Blue wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 4/20/2014 5:36 AM, Blue wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
"...winston" wrote in message
...
Yes, but not declining as rapidly as elsewhere. In the
foreseeable
future XP everywhere will approach the low single digits and
eventually disappear.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. You can't kill a legend that
fast, no matter how often you click your ruby slippers together.

We already know you will be a part of the low single digits. I just
got rid of the last XP I have and Win8 is being installed on the HD
as I type.

You just started running Windows 8?

What makes you think that? I most certainly didn't say so.

Because you just said you just rid of XP and Windows 8 is being
installed on the hard drive as you type.

You're not the only one with more than one computer.

When did you ever say you had more than one computer?

I don't brag about how many computers I have.

I don't ever recall you ever mentioning having more than one computer.
If you did, let us see it.

Yawn. I never said I mentioned having more than one computer until now.
I have five with one desktop running Ubuntu and Windows 8.1.


[hate mongering speech deleted]

You mean the truth.

Hardly, everybody knows you are a hate monger.

No, the truth.


now. And your people are very different than my people. As mine
says:

How Long Will Windows XP Be Secure For?

Unless there's a massive vulnerability that security software
can't protect against, Windows XP should still have a long
life
in front of it. As long as security software, drivers and
other
applications have Windows XP updates for them, the operating
system can continue to be used securely and reliably. At some
point you'll find that new hardware and software won't support
the OS, and updates stop coming, but until that day you don't
need to upgrade.

Keep telling yourself thta.

I said Vista was going to be a flop back in 2006 when everybody else
was praising it.
[...]
Then a year later after it was released, people finally
understood what I was taking about.

People understood that without your input.

Surely you can provide evidence for your bold claim, right?

Take a gander at the Vista MS newsgroup. It was all over the tech web
sites. Where were you?

Show us some from 2006 please. Because I have learned that you have not
been very honest whatsoever.


http://www.digital-rights.net/?p=795

--
Blue

On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:50:38 +0200, Blue
wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I don't brag about how many computers I have.

I don't ever recall you ever mentioning having more than one computer.
If you did, let us see it.

Yawn. I never said I mentioned having more than one computer until now.
I have five with one desktop running Ubuntu and Windows 8.1.


And you presumably didn't need to mention it. How many computers any
of us have has nothing to with answering questions and helping people
with their problems here. And it's also none of BillW50's business.

That said, I also have five--three desktops, although one isn't in
use, a laptop, and a tablet). There may be a sixth--a very old laptop
that I haven't used or even looked at in several years--in a closet
somewhere.

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:50:38 +0200, Blue
wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I don't brag about how many computers I have.

I don't ever recall you ever mentioning having more than one computer.
If you did, let us see it.

Yawn. I never said I mentioned having more than one computer until now.
I have five with one desktop running Ubuntu and Windows 8.1.


And you presumably didn't need to mention it. How many computers any
of us have has nothing to with answering questions and helping people
with their problems here. And it's also none of BillW50's business.

I agree completely!

--
Blue

On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:03:21 +0200, Blue wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:50:38 +0200, Blue
wrote:

BillW50 wrote:

I don't brag about how many computers I have.

I don't ever recall you ever mentioning having more than one computer.
If you did, let us see it.

Yawn. I never said I mentioned having more than one computer until now.
I have five with one desktop running Ubuntu and Windows 8.1.


And you presumably didn't need to mention it. How many computers any
of us have has nothing to with answering questions and helping people
with their problems here. And it's also none of BillW50's business.

I agree completely!

Are you guys mongering hate or are you telling the truth?

OK, that's too sarcastic and I shouldn't have said it that way, but
having said it, let me add (in clear text) that I fully agree with you
and with Blue.

....Which I hope is quite obvious from my latest subthread with BillW50
:-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)