Windows 7 users who upgraded to 8 question.

Alias wrote in news:k8g2lh$1uo$1@dont-
email.me:

On 11/20/2012 12:52 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 11/19/2012 10:58 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I see people who say similar things, that they are getting used to it.
What I don't see is anyone who liked and used Win7 on the desktop
saying anything specific as to why Win8 is actually better then Win7
was. I bought Win8 but haven't installed it as I am waiting to see
someone say something indication an improvement in some at least
marginally significant area.

Oh I see. Okay maybe this will help.

Features new to Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

Although you also lose some good things going too Windows 8 too.

List of features removed in Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_in_Windows_8


Windows 8 will join Vista and Me as another flop.


My experience with Win8 is pretty much summed up he

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/windows-8.html

For traditional desktop use, I'd stay with Win7/XP. For media and social
networking use, I'd (probably) go Win8.

On 11/20/2012 11:27 AM, Boris wrote:
wrote in news:k8g2lh$1uo$1@dont-
email.me:

On 11/20/2012 12:52 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 11/19/2012 10:58 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I see people who say similar things, that they are getting used to it.
What I don't see is anyone who liked and used Win7 on the desktop
saying anything specific as to why Win8 is actually better then Win7
was. I bought Win8 but haven't installed it as I am waiting to see
someone say something indication an improvement in some at least
marginally significant area.

Oh I see. Okay maybe this will help.

Features new to Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

Although you also lose some good things going too Windows 8 too.

List of features removed in Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_in_Windows_8


Windows 8 will join Vista and Me as another flop.


My experience with Win8 is pretty much summed up he

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/windows-8.html

For traditional desktop use, I'd stay with Win7/XP. For media and social
networking use, I'd (probably) go Win8.

Oh not mine! I could see myself somewhat agreeing with that article when
I first started using Windows 8 back in March when I first started to
use Windows 8 CP. But that was a long time ago. As it seems to me they
really don't know how to use it well enough yet.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

On 11/20/2012 6:04 AM, Alias wrote:

Windows 8 will join Vista and Me as another flop.

I would have to agree, at least for Desktop applications. However, I
have eliminated the Metro interface with the START8 application ($5),
and disabled the Charms bar, and some other mods (which I shouldn't have
had to do) and at the moment it is very acceptable on my laptop. In fact
I like it. It appears to be much faster than my Windows 7 on the same
machine.

With all the above being said, when asked I always advise to not upgrade
Win7 to Win 8. It's not worth the aggravation. I only (upgraded?) as a
project.

BTW, my home desktop has Vista and it operates reasonably well (most of
the time).

On 11/23/2012 12:52 PM, Mellowed wrote:
On 11/20/2012 6:04 AM, Alias wrote:

Windows 8 will join Vista and Me as another flop.

I would have to agree, at least for Desktop applications. However, I
have eliminated the Metro interface with the START8 application ($5),
and disabled the Charms bar, and some other mods (which I shouldn't have
had to do) and at the moment it is very acceptable on my laptop. In fact
I like it. It appears to be much faster than my Windows 7 on the same
machine.

With all the above being said, when asked I always advise to not upgrade
Win7 to Win 8. It's not worth the aggravation. I only (upgraded?) as a
project.

BTW, my home desktop has Vista and it operates reasonably well (most of
the time).

I would have said the same early on when I first started to use Windows
8. But I have been running it since March and I feel totally differently
now. And I can disable charms, Start Screen, etc. with Aston Shell.
Although don't get too excited, Aston isn't totally Windows 8 compatible
yet.

Although once I started playing with the other side (Metro) and all of
the free Metro Apps out there, my thinking started to totally change.
For example that Unit Conversion App is one the best I have ever seen
under any platform. And this stuff is only going to get better.

Nowadays when I run Windows 7, it seems so dull and boring. As it only
has a desktop and that is it. Windows 8 has that too and a whole lot
more. Heck, I am beginning to wonder if the days of the desktop are
numbered? As I am finding myself using the desktop less and less
everyday. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

BillW50 wrote:
On 11/23/2012 12:52 PM, Mellowed wrote:
On 11/20/2012 6:04 AM, Alias wrote:

Windows 8 will join Vista and Me as another flop.

I would have to agree, at least for Desktop applications. However, I
have eliminated the Metro interface with the START8 application ($5),
and disabled the Charms bar, and some other mods (which I shouldn't have
had to do) and at the moment it is very acceptable on my laptop. In fact
I like it. It appears to be much faster than my Windows 7 on the same
machine.

With all the above being said, when asked I always advise to not upgrade
Win7 to Win 8. It's not worth the aggravation. I only (upgraded?) as a
project.

BTW, my home desktop has Vista and it operates reasonably well (most of
the time).

I would have said the same early on when I first started to use Windows
8. But I have been running it since March and I feel totally differently
now. And I can disable charms, Start Screen, etc. with Aston Shell.
Although don't get too excited, Aston isn't totally Windows 8 compatible
yet.

Although once I started playing with the other side (Metro) and all of
the free Metro Apps out there, my thinking started to totally change.
For example that Unit Conversion App is one the best I have ever seen
under any platform. And this stuff is only going to get better.

Nowadays when I run Windows 7, it seems so dull and boring. As it only
has a desktop and that is it. Windows 8 has that too and a whole lot
more. Heck, I am beginning to wonder if the days of the desktop are
numbered? As I am finding myself using the desktop less and less
everyday. ;-)


You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.
It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.
They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

Ed

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:33:19 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

BillW50 wrote:
On 11/23/2012 12:52 PM, Mellowed wrote:
On 11/20/2012 6:04 AM, Alias wrote:

Windows 8 will join Vista and Me as another flop.

I would have to agree, at least for Desktop applications. However, I
have eliminated the Metro interface with the START8 application ($5),
and disabled the Charms bar, and some other mods (which I shouldn't have
had to do) and at the moment it is very acceptable on my laptop. In fact
I like it. It appears to be much faster than my Windows 7 on the same
machine.

With all the above being said, when asked I always advise to not upgrade
Win7 to Win 8. It's not worth the aggravation. I only (upgraded?) as a
project.

BTW, my home desktop has Vista and it operates reasonably well (most of
the time).

I would have said the same early on when I first started to use Windows
8. But I have been running it since March and I feel totally differently
now. And I can disable charms, Start Screen, etc. with Aston Shell.
Although don't get too excited, Aston isn't totally Windows 8 compatible
yet.

Although once I started playing with the other side (Metro) and all of
the free Metro Apps out there, my thinking started to totally change.
For example that Unit Conversion App is one the best I have ever seen
under any platform. And this stuff is only going to get better.

Nowadays when I run Windows 7, it seems so dull and boring. As it only
has a desktop and that is it. Windows 8 has that too and a whole lot
more. Heck, I am beginning to wonder if the days of the desktop are
numbered? As I am finding myself using the desktop less and less
everyday. ;-)


You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.

All this flash Harry, whiz-bang stuff...

It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.

.... reminds me of the old adage "Little things amuse little minds" (with
no disrespect to present company).

They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

And here! OK, I'm an old fogey.
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

Robin Bignall wrote:

You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.

All this flash Harry, whiz-bang stuff...

It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.

... reminds me of the old adage "Little things amuse little minds" (with
no disrespect to present company).

They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

And here! OK, I'm an old fogey.

Me too - fogeys (fogies?) of the world unite! I can't see industry/commerce
abandoning desktops any time soon, either. A fat lot of good an iPad would
be to an overworked secretary with a whole stack of typing to do.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Work is the curse of the drinking classes.

On 11/23/2012 2:04 PM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:33:19 +0000, Ed
wrote:

BillW50 wrote:
On 11/23/2012 12:52 PM, Mellowed wrote:
On 11/20/2012 6:04 AM, Alias wrote:

Windows 8 will join Vista and Me as another flop.

I would have to agree, at least for Desktop applications. However, I
have eliminated the Metro interface with the START8 application ($5),
and disabled the Charms bar, and some other mods (which I shouldn't have
had to do) and at the moment it is very acceptable on my laptop. In fact
I like it. It appears to be much faster than my Windows 7 on the same
machine.

With all the above being said, when asked I always advise to not upgrade
Win7 to Win 8. It's not worth the aggravation. I only (upgraded?) as a
project.

BTW, my home desktop has Vista and it operates reasonably well (most of
the time).

I would have said the same early on when I first started to use Windows
8. But I have been running it since March and I feel totally differently
now. And I can disable charms, Start Screen, etc. with Aston Shell.
Although don't get too excited, Aston isn't totally Windows 8 compatible
yet.

Although once I started playing with the other side (Metro) and all of
the free Metro Apps out there, my thinking started to totally change.
For example that Unit Conversion App is one the best I have ever seen
under any platform. And this stuff is only going to get better.

Nowadays when I run Windows 7, it seems so dull and boring. As it only
has a desktop and that is it. Windows 8 has that too and a whole lot
more. Heck, I am beginning to wonder if the days of the desktop are
numbered? As I am finding myself using the desktop less and less
everyday. ;-)


You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.

All this flash Harry, whiz-bang stuff...

It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.

... reminds me of the old adage "Little things amuse little minds" (with
no disrespect to present company).

They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

And here! OK, I'm an old fogey.

Well here is another way to view all of this:

Why Jakob Nielsen's Windows 8 critique is old-school thinking
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...hool-thinking/

Found this article while I was on the Metro side btw. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

On 11/23/2012 2:38 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
Robin Bignall wrote:

You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.

All this flash Harry, whiz-bang stuff...

It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.

... reminds me of the old adage "Little things amuse little minds" (with
no disrespect to present company).

They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

And here! OK, I'm an old fogey.

Me too - fogeys (fogies?) of the world unite! I can't see industry/commerce
abandoning desktops any time soon, either. A fat lot of good an iPad would
be to an overworked secretary with a whole stack of typing to do.

Maybe this is another way to view this:

Why Jakob Nielsen's Windows 8 critique is old-school thinking
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...hool-thinking/

I found this article while on the Metro side, btw. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:07:21 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 11/23/2012 2:38 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
Robin Bignall wrote:

You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.

All this flash Harry, whiz-bang stuff...

It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.

... reminds me of the old adage "Little things amuse little minds" (with
no disrespect to present company).

They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

And here! OK, I'm an old fogey.

Me too - fogeys (fogies?) of the world unite! I can't see industry/commerce
abandoning desktops any time soon, either. A fat lot of good an iPad would
be to an overworked secretary with a whole stack of typing to do.

Maybe this is another way to view this:

Why Jakob Nielsen's Windows 8 critique is old-school thinking
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...hool-thinking/

I found this article while on the Metro side, btw. ;-)

It's interesting. What's also interesting is Jobs saying that it's
Apple who should tell users what they want rather than the users
deciding.
An age ago in a far different world, IBM had that attitude, saying, in
effect, that what DP departments wanted was blue mainframes, lots of
them. And it worked for the decades between the announcement of
System/360 in the 1960s, right through to the end of the 1980s. Oh, IBM
made intermediate systems and PCs, too, and probably still holds more
computer-related patents than any other company, but mainframes were the
bread and butter, and the caviar.
By 1993 they had to decide between filing for bankruptcy (Chapter 11 is
it?) or hiring a real tough guy who had no sentimental attachment to
data processing at all, and in fact knew nothing about it.
They chose the latter, in Lew Gerstner (sp?) and the rest is history.
But they could so easily have gone under.
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

On 11/23/2012 3:28 PM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:07:21 -0600, wrote:

On 11/23/2012 2:38 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
Robin Bignall wrote:

You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.

All this flash Harry, whiz-bang stuff...

It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.

... reminds me of the old adage "Little things amuse little minds" (with
no disrespect to present company).

They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

And here! OK, I'm an old fogey.

Me too - fogeys (fogies?) of the world unite! I can't see industry/commerce
abandoning desktops any time soon, either. A fat lot of good an iPad would
be to an overworked secretary with a whole stack of typing to do.

Maybe this is another way to view this:

Why Jakob Nielsen's Windows 8 critique is old-school thinking
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...hool-thinking/

I found this article while on the Metro side, btw. ;-)

It's interesting. What's also interesting is Jobs saying that it's
Apple who should tell users what they want rather than the users
deciding.
An age ago in a far different world, IBM had that attitude, saying, in
effect, that what DP departments wanted was blue mainframes, lots of
them. And it worked for the decades between the announcement of
System/360 in the 1960s, right through to the end of the 1980s. Oh, IBM
made intermediate systems and PCs, too, and probably still holds more
computer-related patents than any other company, but mainframes were the
bread and butter, and the caviar.
By 1993 they had to decide between filing for bankruptcy (Chapter 11 is
it?) or hiring a real tough guy who had no sentimental attachment to
data processing at all, and in fact knew nothing about it.
They chose the latter, in Lew Gerstner (sp?) and the rest is history.
But they could so easily have gone under.

Yes I remember the story about IBM. Although IBM also made tons of
enemies as well. That never seems to pan out well. I also remember how
stubborn Gary Kildall was. As MS-DOS allowed using either CP/M like
commands or DEC like commands. DEC like commands were easier to remember
and use. Gary said it didn't matter, any half-wit could use CP/M
commands. While he was correct, it was still a multimillion dollar mistake.

It is funny that Microsoft was harassed for decades of making changes in
small baby steps. Kind of playing it safe I suppose, but not being very
innovative. And doing so, Microsoft has been downsizing lately. Clearly
doing business the same way isn't cutting it anymore. They need to do
something different. And they did, Windows 8 is the biggest change in
Windows since Windows 95.

Apple has grown lately while Microsoft has been shrinking. Apple does
this by giving people things they didn't know they needed. And clearly
in today's market, this is working. And now I see Microsoft giving it a
shot with Windows 8. Did Microsoft get it right? I am not sure. But time
will tell while Microsoft is kind of new at this being innovative game. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8

On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:16:01 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 11/23/2012 3:28 PM, Robin Bignall wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:07:21 -0600, wrote:

On 11/23/2012 2:38 PM, Bob Henson wrote:
Robin Bignall wrote:

You're probably right about desktops being on the way out.
I figure they're in the same situation as Newsgroups; something like this.
There was a time when you bought a computer, and Usenet was almost part
of the package. But now it's mostly old-timers who've stayed on it;
younger people use Twitter, Facebook, Web Forums.

All this flash Harry, whiz-bang stuff...

It's the same with desktops. When you look at smart tvs, tablets and
phones, 4G a-spreading, it seems very oldy-worldy to have a desktop
taking up space.

... reminds me of the old adage "Little things amuse little minds" (with
no disrespect to present company).

They're useful in libraries and other such centres.

And here! OK, I'm an old fogey.

Me too - fogeys (fogies?) of the world unite! I can't see industry/commerce
abandoning desktops any time soon, either. A fat lot of good an iPad would
be to an overworked secretary with a whole stack of typing to do.

Maybe this is another way to view this:

Why Jakob Nielsen's Windows 8 critique is old-school thinking
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57...hool-thinking/

I found this article while on the Metro side, btw. ;-)

It's interesting. What's also interesting is Jobs saying that it's
Apple who should tell users what they want rather than the users
deciding.
An age ago in a far different world, IBM had that attitude, saying, in
effect, that what DP departments wanted was blue mainframes, lots of
them. And it worked for the decades between the announcement of
System/360 in the 1960s, right through to the end of the 1980s. Oh, IBM
made intermediate systems and PCs, too, and probably still holds more
computer-related patents than any other company, but mainframes were the
bread and butter, and the caviar.
By 1993 they had to decide between filing for bankruptcy (Chapter 11 is
it?) or hiring a real tough guy who had no sentimental attachment to
data processing at all, and in fact knew nothing about it.
They chose the latter, in Lew Gerstner (sp?) and the rest is history.
But they could so easily have gone under.

Yes I remember the story about IBM. Although IBM also made tons of
enemies as well. That never seems to pan out well. I also remember how
stubborn Gary Kildall was. As MS-DOS allowed using either CP/M like
commands or DEC like commands. DEC like commands were easier to remember
and use. Gary said it didn't matter, any half-wit could use CP/M
commands. While he was correct, it was still a multimillion dollar mistake.

It is funny that Microsoft was harassed for decades of making changes in
small baby steps. Kind of playing it safe I suppose, but not being very
innovative. And doing so, Microsoft has been downsizing lately. Clearly
doing business the same way isn't cutting it anymore. They need to do
something different. And they did, Windows 8 is the biggest change in
Windows since Windows 95.

Apple has grown lately while Microsoft has been shrinking. Apple does
this by giving people things they didn't know they needed. And clearly
in today's market, this is working. And now I see Microsoft giving it a
shot with Windows 8. Did Microsoft get it right? I am not sure. But time
will tell while Microsoft is kind of new at this being innovative game. ;-)

That's for sure!
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

There seems to be an assumption that everyone has suddenly got smart. Not
everyone can cope with a full blown PC. A lot of folk struggle with
programming a washing machine or setting a video recorder. For these people
I'm sure Facebook on an iPad or an Android is about as much as they can
manage, but don't let these people claim the PC is dead just because they
don't need one or can't use one.
K

"Drew" wrote in message ...

On 11/19/2012 12:01 PM, FDK wrote:
Any good? On a desktop or laptop.
I would say it depends on the machine. My wife has HP Touchsmart IQ804
and windows 8 compliments it nicely! Pretty cool on a 26 inch screen!

.......
Correct, the configuration of computer makes quite a difference.
Yesterday, on iMac 27''- very well specified, I have installed
Parallel and Windows 8. To my surprise Windows 8 works much
better on iMac than on Asus P8P67 with 16GB Memory and 1GB
video display. I dare to say that Windows 8 runs much better on
iMac configuration than on PC mother board, in this particular
case, and even I have Gadget with it, which are missing
from Windows 8 Pro.
Jdr
.....


Even though there are problems with it at the moment and Microsoft
support is working on it as it was upgraded from win7 home prem 64.
(I suspect a driver of some sort as it functions perfectly in safe
mode). Under normal startup it black screens after a few hrs. Let me
tell you that is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Why would
you not still use a blue screen with a error message? Now my machine is
a high end custom built desktop with no touch ability and my copy of win
7 pro 64 screams and I really do not see my self changing it anytime
soon. I may wait for "9" or eventually win 8 with classic shell or
something.Just my 3 cents.

Drew.

On 11/24/2012 9:18 AM, Jdr wrote:
Under normal startup it black screens after a few hr

Windows likely crashed to the point that the blue screen did not work.
Usually this is something like a video driver or serious hardware
problem. If you happen to be looking at the display as the machine
crashes, you may see some briefly shown video artifacts before the black
screen. With vista and win 7, some of the AMD and NVIDIA driver
versions had this sort of problem.
We suspected, but never proved, that the video processor chips had
production variations that originally caused the problem, and the video
drivers were eventually modified to work around the issues. Then there
were various driver programming errors and development platform issues
to contend with.