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Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-06-20 21:26, Davoud wrote:
Char Jackson:
[Another poster] says it only works for a legion of amateurs, and
I'm not
in thelegion.

Sheesh! Learn to read! I said "This works for the overwhelming majority
of professionals and a legion of amateurs, and it will work for you."

Char Jackson:
If a program like Lightroom can find anything I might be looking for,
all on its own and without any pre-work from me,[...]

Wolf K:
It can, but only if you search on what's in the EXIF or what the
content-ID algorithms recognise. That can be useful, if you want to
extract a group of pictures from different folders/folder trees (or from
anywhere in that awful mess that's labelled "Pictures" in Windows).

You're talking about what Lightroom does and you don't know anything
about it. Searching for a photo in Lr has nothing to do with your
beloved "trees." A search uses file names, keywords (they're big),
dates, location, ratings, and other codes that you have applied. It can
locate a photo from a 100,000 file collection in an instant.

Oh fergawdssake, I know LR uses pointers. The effect is to extract the
photo from wherever it's located. Or maybe I should have said "located",
to make allowance for your limited ability to interpret intentions

Sure, LR can do all that, but only if you've taken the trouble to do all
that prep work of creating key words. Or are you telling me that LR can
read my mind, and can find "Uncle Bill at Kelly's 1st birthday" even
though I didn't tag that group of photos with "Kelly's 1st birthday",
and included them without further categorisation (key-wording?) in
"Visit to Fred and Ginger"?


Hey, Wolf it's just what your "want" a monthly subscription for the
"pleasure" of adding keywords to your images! Damn Apple|Adobe SAAS crap.



In Linux we just use Shotwell, DarkTable. For Windows Phototheca looks
pretty good. There is a free version with limits but to take the
shackles of on $40..."We need no stink'n subscriptions"



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In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


Hey, Wolf it's just what your "want" a monthly subscription for the
"pleasure" of adding keywords to your images! Damn Apple|Adobe SAAS crap.

lightroom is available as a one-time purchase and apple's offerings are
free.

In Linux we just use Shotwell, DarkTable. For Windows Phototheca looks
pretty good. There is a free version with limits but to take the
shackles of on $40..."We need no stink'n subscriptions"

none of which come close to what adobe software can do.

Jonathan N. Little"
Hey, Wolf it's just what your "want" a monthly subscription for the
"pleasure" of adding keywords to your images! Damn Apple|Adobe SAAS crap.

Like I said, people talking about Lr who know nothing whatsoever about
it.

In Linux we just use Shotwell, DarkTable. For Windows Phototheca looks
pretty good. There is a free version with limits but to take the
shackles of on $40..."We need no stink'n subscriptions"

That's fine if second-rate software meets your needs. For those who
demand more there is Lightroom on Mac OS.

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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

Hey, Wolf it's just what your "want" a monthly subscription for the
"pleasure" of adding keywords to your images! Damn Apple|Adobe SAAS crap.

lightroom is available as a one-time purchase and apple's offerings are
free.

In Linux we just use Shotwell, DarkTable. For Windows Phototheca looks
pretty good. There is a free version with limits but to take the
shackles of on $40..."We need no stink'n subscriptions"

none of which come close to what adobe software can do.

OK, nospam, for the last time. Just to help you undersrand, here's an
analogyy.

I need a new(er) car. The only feature I want beyond the basics is
enough cargo space for the occasional visit to the builder's supply
store and garden centre. A CUV with fold-flat back seats will do nicely.
But the salesperson keeps trying to sell me a more expensive SUV, whose
back seats don't fold flat. But is has more cargo space. And a 3rd row
of seats, normally folded down. And a towing package, in case I want to
haul a load of paving stones on my non-existent trailer. And it comes
with a roof rack. And tire pressure sensors are standard on it,
unavailable on the CUV. And a drop-down DVD player in the roof for the
kids in the back seat an add-on option for the CUV. And zoned
heating/cooling, unavailable on the CUV (which is built for
cheapskates,it seems). And so on.

By your logic, I should buy the SUV because it can do much more. Even
though the back seats don't fold flat. But fold-flat back seats are the
one item on my must-have list.

not my logic at all nor is it a good analogy. i've never said to get an
app packed with features you don't need.

what i said was to get an app that's explicitly designed to do the
tasks you want to do, which in this case is managing assets. trying to
do that with a general purpose tool might work some of the time, but
it's not ideal.

a better analogy would be you want to move large heavy items, perhaps
furniture or industrial equipment, or the paving stones you mentioned.

everyone tells you to get a cargo van with a hydraulic lift because
it's designed to carry such items, plus the lift will make getting them
into and out of the van very easy and you won't need a second person to
help you either.

you say no to that. instead, you'll just use a trailer attached to your
car, except that without a lift, it's going to be exhausting and the
car was never designed to pull that much weight.

one of those is going to work *much* better than the other.

tl;dr get the best tool for the job.

But to keep you happy:
I'll be testing a number of photo-asset managers over the next couple of
weeks including Lightroom.

ok

keep in mind it's a different workflow, but once past that initial
hump, it all makes perfect sense.

On 22-Jun-17 8:07 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-06-22 14:13, JF Mezei wrote:
On 2017-06-22 11:58, Wolf K wrote:

I need a new(er) car. The only feature I want beyond the basics is
enough cargo space for the occasional visit to the builder's supply
store and garden centre.
What is wrong with the current one? Why do you feel your folder system
has reached limits? [...]

It hasn't (and unlike a car, it doesn't wear out), and I'm expanding it
to make finding photos easier. But entering photos into any management
system takes time, a program offers a much faster search, and the blurbs
suggest that additional categorisation of the existing store should be
easier. In my manual system, that entails renaming folders, or creating
another layer of subfolders. So I thought I'd give a photo-organiser a try.

Hi Wolf

Have you employed THIS facility?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Photo

FWIW, *I* have ..... and it works for me!

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Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill)

i do this...) Eg, /Year_Picnics.

I'm interested in a relational database type of "asset manager", which
will automatically tag a file with all the folder names in its folder
tree. Eg, all items in /Picnic will be tagged with that label, as well
as the folder names all the way up to the parent folder. Searches on
tags would produce lists of files from all folders. Lists would be
sortable, and should be savable as libraries.

Recommendations, anyone?


Yes please; I need something to actually burn selected metadata on to
the image itself - for printouts.

I have to do this manually via PShop.

In article , Peter Jason
wrote:


Yes please; I need something to actually burn selected metadata on to
the image itself - for printouts.

I have to do this manually via PShop.

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1930501
If you want to add text to your print layouts, it¹s pretty easy, as
well, and like the Web and Slideshow modules, you can have Lightroom
automatically pull metadata info from your photos and have it appear
on the photo print, or you can add your own custom text (and/or
Identity Plate) just as easily. Here¹s what you can add, and how you
can add it.


http://pixelsucht.net/metadatacc/en/metadata-cc-photoshop-panel/
Read out metadata and insert it as a Text Layer. With one click
For*Photoshop CC, CC 2014, CC 2015, CC 2015.5 and CC 2017 | Windows &
Mac

nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


Hey, Wolf it's just what your "want" a monthly subscription for the
"pleasure" of adding keywords to your images! Damn Apple|Adobe SAAS crap.

lightroom is available as a one-time purchase and apple's offerings are
free.

Where? No location on website...or do you have to know the super-secret
handshake to gain access?


In Linux we just use Shotwell, DarkTable. For Windows Phototheca looks
pretty good. There is a free version with limits but to take the
shackles of on $40..."We need no stink'n subscriptions"

none of which come close to what adobe software can do.


So you say... If offers stuff that the user doesn't need or use is there
value in it? Kind of like sharepoint for office, if you are not a global
business what value is it to the user that your non-existent Singapore
office an markup your document?

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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Hey, Wolf it's just what your "want" a monthly subscription for the
"pleasure" of adding keywords to your images! Damn Apple|Adobe SAAS crap.

lightroom is available as a one-time purchase and apple's offerings are
free.

Where? No location on website...or do you have to know the super-secret
handshake to gain access?

i do know, but i'll let you in on the secret:

https://www.google.com/#q=buy+lightroom

note that it's been 2 years since lightroom 6 was released and adobe's
product cycles are generally 18-24 months, which means now would *not*
be a good time to buy it because lightroom 7 is due at any time.

another thing to be aware of is that if you subscribe to lightroom and
stop paying, only the develop and map modules are affected. you can
still use lightroom to browse, access and export content.

In Linux we just use Shotwell, DarkTable. For Windows Phototheca looks
pretty good. There is a free version with limits but to take the
shackles of on $40..."We need no stink'n subscriptions"

none of which come close to what adobe software can do.

So you say... If offers stuff that the user doesn't need or use is there
value in it? Kind of like sharepoint for office, if you are not a global
business what value is it to the user that your non-existent Singapore
office an markup your document?

different issue.

the point is that the free options are free for a reason. they're junk.

darktable is *not* in any way a replacement for lightroom.

Jonathan N. Little:
Where? No location on website...or do you have to know the super-secret
handshake to gain access?

So you say... If offers stuff that the user doesn't need or use is there
value in it? Kind of like sharepoint for office, if you are not a global
business what value is it to the user that your non-existent Singapore
office an markup your document?

Sometimes I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but I get it now. You're a
child posting in an adult forum. Don't know the name of the company
that make Lightroom. A supposed photographer, but you don't know
anything about Lightroom. Or MS Office.

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Davoud wrote:
Jonathan N. Little:
Where? No location on website...or do you have to know the super-secret
handshake to gain access?

So you say... If offers stuff that the user doesn't need or use is there
value in it? Kind of like sharepoint for office, if you are not a global
business what value is it to the user that your non-existent Singapore
office an markup your document?

Sometimes I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but I get it now. You're a
child posting in an adult forum. Don't know the name of the company
that make Lightroom. A supposed photographer, but you don't know
anything about Lightroom. Or MS Office.


Okay show me where on their site you can buy anything other than a
subscription

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html

Yeah, that IS the correct website... I take photographs for my artwork,
but I am not a photographer by profession. I do *know* office and code
in VBA but still using 2003 because the newer version offer no more
features useful to my business.

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On Jun 23, 2017, Jonathan N. Little wrote
(in article ):

Davoud wrote:
Jonathan N. Little:
Where? No location on website...or do you have to know the super-secret
handshake to gain access?

So you say... If offers stuff that the user doesn't need or use is there
value in it? Kind of like sharepoint for office, if you are not a global
business what value is it to the user that your non-existent Singapore
office an markup your document?

Sometimes I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but I get it now. You're a
child posting in an adult forum. Don't know the name of the company
that make Lightroom. A supposed photographer, but you don't know
anything about Lightroom. Or MS Office.

Okay show me where on their site you can buy anything other than a
subscription

Easy if you know what you are looking for.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html

Yeah, that IS the correct website...

Actually it isn’t the correct website. You should have been looking for
Lightroom 6 not Lightroom CC.

Lightroom 6 is available as a download from Adobe.
https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-clo...ll-single-app-
Lightroom-6.html

I take photographs for my artwork,
but I am not a photographer by profession. I do *know* office and code
in VBA but still using 2003 because the newer version offer no more
features useful to my business.

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On Jun 23, 2017, Savageduck wrote
(in iganews.com):

On Jun 23, 2017, Jonathan N. Little wrote
(in article ):

Davoud wrote:
Jonathan N. Little:
Where? No location on website...or do you have to know the super-secret
handshake to gain access?

So you say... If offers stuff that the user doesn't need or use is there
value in it? Kind of like sharepoint for office, if you are not a global
business what value is it to the user that your non-existent Singapore
office an markup your document?

Sometimes I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but I get it now. You're a
child posting in an adult forum. Don't know the name of the company
that make Lightroom. A supposed photographer, but you don't know
anything about Lightroom. Or MS Office.

Okay show me where on their site you can buy anything other than a
subscription

Easy if you know what you are looking for.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html

Yeah, that IS the correct website...

Actually it isn’t the correct website. You should have been looking for
Lightroom 6 not Lightroom CC.

Lightroom 6 is available as a download from Adobe.
https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/help/download-install-single-app-Lightroom-6.html

Hell!
You can even convert a Lightroom CC trial to activate a licensed Lightroom 6.
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb...m-cc-trial-to-
activate-as-lightroom-6.html



I take photographs for my artwork,
but I am not a photographer by profession. I do *know* office and code
in VBA but still using 2003 because the newer version offer no more
features useful to my business.

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Savageduck

In article .com,
Savageduck wrote:

Okay show me where on their site you can buy anything other than a
subscription

Easy if you know what you are looking for.

yep, or know how to use a search engine.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html

Yeah, that IS the correct website...

Actually it isn¹t the correct website. You should have been looking for
Lightroom 6 not Lightroom CC.

Lightroom 6 is available as a download from Adobe.
https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-clo...ll-single-app-
Lightroom-6.html

it's also available from many other sellers, including amazon, b&h and
even the microsoft store.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/stor...ightroom-6/8zh
dxg1xwx8c

shop around for the best price, and as i said earlier, lightroom 7 is
due any time, so now is not an ideal time to buy lightroom 6, as there
will be an upgrade fee. only *after* they announce lr7 will upgrades be
free.

On 24/06/2017 02:24, JF Mezei wrote:
On 2017-06-23 19:04, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Okay show me where on their site you can buy anything other than a
subscription
Instruction to buy lightroom:

https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-clo...ghtroom-6.html


Sometimes it is cheaper to buy from Amazon:

Lightroom:
https://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65237578-Photoshop-Lightroom-6/dp/B00VWCKJVA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498268144&sr=8-1&keywords=lightroom+6+software

Photoshop Elements 15:
https://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65273274-Photoshop-Elements-15/dp/B01KICI4LQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1498268144&sr=8-3&keywords=lightroom+6+software

Adobe Photoshop Elements 15 & Premiere Elements 15:
https://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Photoshop-Elements-15-Premiere/dp/B01KICI37Q/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1498268144&sr=8-4&keywords=lightroom+6+software



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