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  #331  
Old July 11th 17, 02:47 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:21:17 GMT
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This used to be one of my top playlists (basically, the only one I
used in the car when I was driving a lot), in pseudo code:

Songs that are rated 4 or 5 stars in order from least recently
listened too, limited to 5GB (out of a pool of ~200GB)
Your player can't do that.


I usually try to copy the music I'm pretty sure I want to listen to
over to it, instead of just copying junk over to 'rate' later.

I've had many other complicated playlists over the years, none of
which would be possible with your player.


If your complicated playlists all rely on a 5star rating system, I
agree.

RSS feeds do none of the things you said they did. They do not
auto-sync, nor do they replace listened to podcasts with new ones.


RSS feed tells program I use what's new, program I use goes from
there. It will 'sync' and or/replace at my descretion. RSS feeds for
me are another source of potentially useful information.

The podcasts I've seen are also available in trusty, good ol
mp3, too.

nobody said they weren't mp3.

where did you get the idea they were in another format??


Heh, you can download them in a variety of formats, actually.
Didn't you know that?


The vast majority of podcasts are in MP3, something you appeared
to be unaware of since you claimed a superiority of RSS was that
you got the podcasts in "trusty go ol mp3".


You're making assumptions. I'm well aware of various format options
podcasts are available in, which is why I made my comment.

Yeah, everyone gets their podcats in mp3, doofus.


If that were the case, there'd be no point in wasting storage space
to host other formats. Yet, some do. I prefer mp3, myself.


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Old July 11th 17, 04:18 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Diesel wrote on 7/10/2017 6:47 PM:
lifewoutmilk
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Diesel wrote on 7/9/2017 12:26 PM:
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20:40:26 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:
itunes is not required.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0

Yes it is. For initial setup, firmware updates, etc.



As of iOS 5, you don't need iTunes to update or activate your iOS
device.


If it works for you, great. It just doesn't work for me. Perhaps it was
the funky battery that wasn't so friendly to replace that turned me
off, or the proprietary nature of the hardware. Hard to say.


https://web.archive.org/web/20120910101357/https://www.apple.com/ios/features.html

I gave you a link to Apple's own website that proves your statement to
be factually *incorrect*, so you snip out the facts and switch to
rambling about battery and preferences.
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Old July 11th 17, 09:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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of course it does, but that doesn't make it legal.


Who said anything about that? Not me.

you're trying to justify piracy, which you've done in other posts
too.


You feel that copying lossy compressed audio files is piracy, fine by
me. I feel that what the RIAA/MPAA does is actual piracy. We'll just
have to agree to disagree on this.

you have no ethics or morals.


You know nothing about me.


Sadly, Dustin J. Cook (aka Diesel) *I* know that what you do *IS*
illegal and - as I've told you many times - as you will not stop your
illegal activity, you WILL be going to prison to pay for your crimes.

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  #334  
Old July 11th 17, 04:47 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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If you want a Unix with a usable GUI the only option is macOS
(neé OS X) because only Apple had the resources to make a really
usable UI over the top of a Unix foundation. Course, it's not
Linux, it's BSD, but BSD is better than Linux anyway since it has
less GPL3 pollution.


I don't agree with you concerning Apples idea of a GUI.


you haven't used a mac, so you're not in a position to comment

I don't much
care about your preference for BSD over Linux, either. I run both
here as well as Windows. I see benefits in all of them and drawbacks
too. None of them are perfect. Again, YMMV.


except for apple, for which you see no benefit at all and refuse to
learn what the benefits might actually be.
  #335  
Old July 11th 17, 04:47 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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That means I can collect all the iPods in the neighborhood,
and connect them at once to the network, and just share
files at will.

translated: you pirate music and movies.

Bad translation. No evidence to support it.

other than admitting it, you mean?

Nope. Re-read what I wrote.

sharing music without permission from the copyright owner,
which he does not have from 'collecting ipods in the
neighborhood', is piracy.

He specifically mentioned files. Do you know what those files
actually are? Neither do I. So, how do you know he doesn't have
permission? You're making assumptions.


they're music and movies and you know it.


Actually, I don't. And, neither do you. Not only can I not read
anothers mind, I have no access to their hardware/software to
confirm/deny your assumption. Which as I wrote previously, is what
you're doing.


it's very obvious what he is doing.

there's no point in using an ipod to share data files when a usb
stick would be easier, or just connect directly.


Who said anything about them being data files? They could be copyleft
files for all you or I knows. IE: he has permission to share them
and/or make all the copies he wants.


copyleft files are data files.

you're arguing just to argue.

the reality is that he does *not* have permission to share what's on
the various ipods.

he has also admitted he goes to the library to steal music, and using
*their* computers too.

you're trying to justify piracy. you are a scumbag.

not only that, but according to you, an ipod is so crippled that
it can't store anything *but* music and movies, which would make
it impossible for it not to be piracy (that is of course false,
but that was your claim).


Cite MID where I actually wrote that. I suspect you won't be able to
do so. I wrote that my mp3 player was non audio file friendly, but, I
said nothing of the ipod concerning that.


yes you did. stop lying.
  #336  
Old July 11th 17, 04:47 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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you also can't do the things ipod users can do.


I can listen to all the mp3s I like for as long as the standard AA
battery that's easily replaced holds out (over 80 hours) Which is
strangely enough, exactly what I purchased it for. It requires no
special software, no special 'setup' and ALL of the computers here
will talk to it, without anything more than plugging it into a free
USB port. That's *nix based and Windows based. I'm pleased with that.


then your needs are very simple.

others want more sophisticated devices that can do more than what you
have.


and certifications only means being able to memorize answers and
passing a test.


To a point, I'm inclined to agree.

real world experience trumps any cert any day.


I don't disagree with you there either for the most part. But, alas,
I have several decades as a professional certified technician that
included setting up networks ranging from novell initially on token
ring with hd less computers that used an eeprom on the NIC card to
boot via an image stored on the novell server to boot DOS and then
Windows 3.11 for workgroups. to cat5/cat6, fibre, Windows/Linux/BSD
based networks. Not including time spent in the field with
telephone/cable co networks. I suppose I should stop listing some of
my real world experience, so you don't go off on another tangent and
accuse me of bragging.


no need to worry about that, because that doesn't impress me in the
least.

you're nothing more than a tech/sysadmin.




It's offsite storage controlled by other parties. You don't have
full control over that.


wrong on two counts.

users have full control over what's stored on the cloud, no matter
who runs the servers.


ROFL, No, they don't.


yes they absolutely do.

you might not, but that's due to your lack of knowledge about the cloud
and what can be done.

If something happens to the servers that
provide that particular cloud, you can be essentially, locked out of
your data if you only trusted your backups to that 'cloud'


nobody said anything about backups.

however, a cloud backup is infinitely more reliable than a backup drive
sitting *next* to the computer its backing up.
  #337  
Old July 11th 17, 04:47 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Yes it is. For initial setup, firmware updates, etc.



As of iOS 5, you don't need iTunes to update or activate your iOS
device.


If it works for you, great. It just doesn't work for me. Perhaps it was
the funky battery that wasn't so friendly to replace that turned me
off, or the proprietary nature of the hardware. Hard to say.


bull****.

it's actually very easy to say, because you hate apple and never even
considered an ipod or ios device.

plus, the battery will outlast the device anyway. non-issue.
  #338  
Old July 11th 17, 04:47 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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Depends on the portable player and what you've connected it's
output to...


which will be headphones (it's a portable music player, after all)
and, usually cheap crappy ones.


I haven't used headphones in a very long time...


then why do you have a portable music player?

do you lug speakers everywhere you go?

it's much better to transcode to a lower bitrate and get more
songs on the device.

That's your own personal opinion. I don't share it. Quantity
isn't the same as quality, remember?


it's not an opinion, and quantity versus quality is exactly the
point.

you're very confused.


Well, one of us certainly is. I might want to give a friend a copy of
one or more files on my player. It's a disservice to them to give
them less than an original copy. Which is what I'd be doing if I did
any transcoding to a lesser bitrate prior to loading it on my player.


in other words, piracy.

the computer is there to do work *for* you.


Indeed, mine do. But, I control them, they don't control me.


where the hell did you come up with that insanity?

nobody said the computer controls the user.

you're *incredibly* confused.

And, it works the same way under *nix as it does Windows.
Makes life easy. No special software needed as it's treated as
an external drive.

and greatly limited in functionality.

Er, you have no idea what my mp3 player has or doesn't. What
functionality do you think I'm missing?


i already gave several examples.


You seem to have trouble answering specific questions...


you seem to have trouble understanding what has been written and then
make up **** just to argue.

managing content directly in the file system is very limiting.


How so?


because the file system is primitive and rigid and was not designed to
manage content.

asset managers are explicitly designed to manage content and therefore
allows users to do things not possible with direct file system access.

using an app designed for a particular task is always better than
trying to twist an app that wasn't designed for it into doing it.

And what makes you so sure that's the only way in which I
manage things? You've never heard of a catalog?


sure have, and it's automatically created and maintained by an asset
manager, itunes being one example.

you keep ranting about how horrible itunes is, and now you admit that
it's useful.

hilarious.

an rss feed *cannot* do what itunes can do.


I didn't say it could.


actually, you did.



that also has nothing to do with itunes. itunes will play good ol'
mp3 without issue.


I prefer Winamp.


winamp doesn't do half the stuff itunes can do.

you don't get to decide or dictate what others want or need.


Neither do you.


i'm not deciding anything.

i'm explaining the numeous reasons why people *want* to use itunes and
why it's so incredibly powerful.

as much as it offends you, a whole ****load of people like apple
products and want to use them.


It doesn't offend me.


apparently it does because you keep trolling with anti-apple garbage.

because it's local to the device.


Yes, and? The device has copies of music already available on the
network; which is backed up. So...


but not the play counts, song ratings and other metadata.

listen to music on another device and it won't know about what you
skipped or played on that device unless you manually export/import
it (assuming that's possible), which is additional work that
itunes does automatically *for* you.


You seem to be very confused. I don't care about that, I don't want
that nonsense. I might not want to listen to the same stuff across
all of my devices. I like options. I like each device having it's own
'tracklist' saved for me. As, the devices vary in what final audio
device they are connected to.


i'm not the one who is confused, nor is that nonsense.

nobody said anything about wanting to listen to the same stuff on all
devices.

as for options, there are far *more* options for managing content with
itunes because that's what it was designed to do, so if options is your
goal, you chose the wrong solution.

you're trying to justify piracy, which you've done in other posts
too.


You feel that copying lossy compressed audio files is piracy, fine by
me.


it doesn't matter if it's lossy compressed or not, nor is it about what
i feel.

the law is the law and that's piracy. period.

copying *anything* for which you do not have permission to do so is
illegal, whether it's music, video, photos, apps, ebooks or something
else. ask *any* ip lawyer.

I feel that what the RIAA/MPAA does is actual piracy.


it doesn't matter what you feel and it's beyond ludicrous for anyone to
even think that the riaa/mpaa would be engaging in piracy.

and even if they did, that doesn't justify you also breaking the law.

We'll just
have to agree to disagree on this.


translated: you know you're wrong.

you have no ethics or morals.


You know nothing about me.


i'm going by what you said about piracy.

you're trying to justify stealing content from others.

someone with ethics and morals does not steal nor do they try to
justify it.

apple has always been anti-drm. apple does not want drm at all.
even mac os isn't drm'ed (unlike windows).


No, they haven't.


yes they absolutely have.

Only certain editions of Windows suffer from MS
version of drm, in a manner of speaking.


'in a manner of speaking' ??

you obviously pirate windows and no doubt pirated the apps you use as
well.

the music industry *forced* apple to use drm for music that was
sold on the itunes music store because the music industry was
terrified of rampant piracy.


Which is why I have my own private collection of music.


most, if not all of which, is pirated.

back then, drm was everywhere. nobody sold drm-free music, and out
of all of the drm schemes that existed at the time, apple's was
the *least* restrictive.


Ehh, some did/still do infact sell drm free tunes long before Apple.
And, Apples was hardly the least restrictive.


apple's was definitely the least restrictive.

music from the itunes store could be played on an *unlimited* number of
ipods and/or burned to cds, which could then be played in *any* cd
player. for honest people, it was completely invisible and not
noticeable at all.

once the music industry realized that online music sales was
actually profitable and that it reduced piracy, they stopped
requiring drm, at which point apple was able to drop on the music
store, as did other music sellers.


Sort of. Apple wasn't the first to do this, and, they didn't do it
out of the kindness of their own hearts, either. They charged you
extra, initially, for drm free tunes.


nope. the price went up because the quality of the recording went up
(256k aac). also, some songs went *down* in price.

I wouldn't give you a nickel
for an Apple track, myself.


of course not, because you'd rather steal it.

however, the movie industry continues to require drm, and it's not
just apple either. buy/rent a movie on the google play store and
it's drm'ed.


I wouldn't buy or rent a movie from Apple OR google. Not when I can
hit up a redbox for a few dollars and have a physical copy to do with
as I please in the comfort of my own home. Just so long as I return
the disc I 'borrowed' within a reasonable amount of time.


in other words, you make an unauthorized copy of the movie rental to
avoid buying the movie.

disgusting.

that has nothing to do with lans or my knowledge of them.


Sure it does. You made the claim that file sharing to another
computer would require a suitable media player. I don't know why
you'd write such a thing if you know how LANs work.


again, it has nothing to do with how lans work.

i'm not talking about simply copying files from one computer to
another. that's old school thinking and primitive.

i'm talking about *playing* content hosted on a media server, which
absolutely does require a suitable player, one which can connect to
said server and access all of the content, playlists, etc.

itunes offers that option. launch it, enable sharing and it's done.

there are of course other options for media servers (most of which
aren't anywhere near as good or as flexible) and none of which sync
with ipods/ios devices.
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Old July 11th 17, 04:47 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In article , Diesel
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It has been a bit of bad press with Apple and Foxconn concerning the
working conditions, child labor, etc. I can see why Apple would want to
put that nasty publicity behind them.


the only bad press is from those with an agenda, going so far as to
entirely fabricate the story.

https://www.marketplace.org/2012/03/.../acclaimed-app
le-critic-made-details
An acclaimed Apple critic made up the details
....
Daisey apologized to Ira Glass for not telling the truth to him and
his listeners.
....
³My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your
show as journalism. And it¹s not journalism. It¹s theater.²

the reality is that apple has done more to *help* the situation at
foxconn, more so than any other company that uses them, which is a
****load of companies.

when's the last time michael dell or jason chen went there to help?
never. that's when.
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Old July 11th 17, 07:10 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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On 2017-07-11, nospam wrote:
In article , Diesel
wrote:

It has been a bit of bad press with Apple and Foxconn concerning the
working conditions, child labor, etc. I can see why Apple would want to
put that nasty publicity behind them.


the only bad press is from those with an agenda, going so far as to
entirely fabricate the story.

https://www.marketplace.org/2012/03/.../acclaimed-app
le-critic-made-details
An acclaimed Apple critic made up the details
...
Daisey apologized to Ira Glass for not telling the truth to him and
his listeners.
...
³My mistake, the mistake I truly regret, is that I had it on your
show as journalism. And it¹s not journalism. It¹s theater.²

the reality is that apple has done more to *help* the situation at
foxconn, more so than any other company that uses them, which is a
****load of companies.

when's the last time michael dell or jason chen went there to help?
never. that's when.


Yep. But that doesn't fit the Apple-hating troll narrative; so it can be
easily ignored by the irrational haters. ; )

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Old July 11th 17, 09:07 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In message Diesel wrote:
Lewis
Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:10:17 GMT
in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:


In message Eric
Stevens wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 20:19:43 -0400, nospam
wrote:


In article , Eric
Stevens wrote:

You get that for $2.60 when you buy from China.

Who wants to buy from China in the first place?

Apple.

You're confused.

Think Foxcon.

lots of companies use foxconn, not just apple.

it's also made to apple's specs, not cheap knock-off crap you
find on ebay or alibaba.


None of which is really relevant to the subject under discussion.


Apple doesn't buy from Foxconn, doofus.


Perhaps, not anymore, you meant to say:


Nope. Apple has never bought from Foxconn. They PAY foxconn to assemble
APPLE'S products. The fact you don't understand that is rather amazing,
but in no way surprising.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...11122734340726
Apple Shifts Supply Chain Away From Foxconn to Pegatron


That isn't true either, they had ADDED Pegatron as an additional
assembler.

You are dumb as a stump


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Old July 11th 17, 09:08 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In message Diesel wrote:
Lewis
Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:35:35 GMT
in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:


In message Diesel
wrote:
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itunes is not required.


https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0


Yes it is.


No it is not.

First of all, that is a web-board, so not a source of information.


You find no value in web boards as a source of information?


For official requirements or tech specs? Not at all.


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Old July 11th 17, 09:13 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In message Diesel wrote:
Lewis
Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:29:27 GMT
in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:


In message
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i717KPF1E4jV6iSIb Diesel wrote:
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Fri, 16 Jun 2017
22:35:52 GMT in alt.comp.os.windows-10, wrote:


nothing is easier on linux.


ROFL. You obviously haven't used linux on the desktop. It's a
pleasure.


Hahahahahahaha, man, I didn't know you were going to be doing
comedy.


I wasn't.


But I dunno about nospam, but I know a hell of a lot about linux,
and Linux on the Desktop is a joke. a bad joke. Always has been,
always will be.


Your own personal opinion. One I do not share.


It is not opinion, it is demonstrable fact. If linux on the desktop was
usable, billions of people would be using it, not a few linux apologists
claiming that "Next year is the year of Linux on the Desktop" for he
last 20 years.

If you want a Unix with a usable GUI the only option is macOS
(neé OS X) because only Apple had the resources to make a really
usable UI over the top of a Unix foundation. Course, it's not
Linux, it's BSD, but BSD is better than Linux anyway since it has
less GPL3 pollution.


I don't agree with you concerning Apples idea of a GUI.


It doesn't matter if you do or not. It is a usable GUI (unlike any
desktop linux which is only usable by someone well-versed in Linux). It
is Unix. I can do *ANYTHING* on my Mac that you can do on your linux
machine, and anything[*] you can do on your wintendo machine, and many
many more things.
[*] except play some high-end games.


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Old July 11th 17, 09:19 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In message Diesel wrote:
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Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:21:17 GMT
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This used to be one of my top playlists (basically, the only one I
used in the car when I was driving a lot), in pseudo code:

Songs that are rated 4 or 5 stars in order from least recently
listened too, limited to 5GB (out of a pool of ~200GB)
Your player can't do that.


I usually try to copy the music I'm pretty sure I want to listen to
over to it, instead of just copying junk over to 'rate' later.


Right, you spend a lot of time manually sorting and selecting. I do not
spend ANY TIME doing that. When I get near my computer, my iTunes
library updates. I get new songs, as if by magic. They are always songs
that I like, but songs I've not heard recently.

So, something you CANNOT do is something that just happens,
transparently, with iTunes.


I've had many other complicated playlists over the years, none of
which would be possible with your player.


If your complicated playlists all rely on a 5star rating system, I
agree.


They rely on many things. I can, for example, create a playlist of all
the songs in my library that are 140-150 bpm. Or I can have a playlist
of all the songs that I listened to in December, but exclude all the
christmas music.

Since I have an intelligent database with a simple boolean query I can
get pretty much any level of precision I want.

None of which you can do.

RSS feeds do none of the things you said they did. They do not
auto-sync, nor do they replace listened to podcasts with new ones.


RSS feed tells program I use what's new, program I use goes from
there. It will 'sync' and or/replace at my descretion. RSS feeds for
me are another source of potentially useful information.


That's nice. RSS feeds still do not do anything you claimed they did.

The vast majority of podcasts are in MP3, something you appeared
to be unaware of since you claimed a superiority of RSS was that
you got the podcasts in "trusty go ol mp3".


You're making assumptions. I'm well aware of various format options
podcasts are available in, which is why I made my comment.


I am not making assumptions about waht you said. you said it.

Yeah, everyone gets their podcats in mp3, doofus.


If that were the case, there'd be no point in wasting storage space
to host other formats. Yet, some do. I prefer mp3, myself.


Care to guess what the percentages are for MP3 versus everything else?

I have several friends who run podcast networks, so this is something I
know quite a bit about.


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Old July 11th 17, 09:23 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.sys.mac.apps
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In message Diesel wrote:
Lewis
Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:38:37 GMT
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In message Diesel
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Jolly Roger
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On 2017-07-08, Diesel wrote:
Jolly Roger
Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:38:55
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Only to the ignorant. Meanwhile those of us who have actually
used it have no problem with it because it works great. Go
figure.

In a home based LAN setup, maybe. If you need more control,
doesn't seem like a good choice.

Most people don't "need more control".


Oh? How do you know what most people need?


Because most people are not linux apologist troglodytes living
with their parents?


ROFL. I'm not a linux apologist


Yes you are. Your claim that desktop linux is a viable OS for everyone
automatically makes you an apologist.

As for your personal claims, I don't care and I don't believe you. I
will continue to consider you as a drop-out living in the basement
because that is exactly how you act.


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